Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Almost50]

I don't believe A50's claim, but I still think it's kthnx/mastina/Math

I'd say Mastina makes more sense, unless someone is faking their role. I mean, theoretically it's possible Dino did the NK and he would not have been suspected if tracked because he claimed to BG the target beforehand, but it looks damn to easy I'm not convinced Dino would do it, plus a BG would get lynched before LyLo if still alive.

Kthxbye would be my least suspect of the 3, because I wouldn't expect him going specifically after me. If they wanted me dead they would have shot me.. again unless BOTH Mastina and Dino are TOWN (i.e. either of those two being Scum with Kthxbye is virtually impossible because they would know better).

So, I think Kthxbye is Town and they (either or both) just saw an opportunity presented to them to try and get a lynch on me. Please refer to the overview of how it would have worked if I got mislynched and then they came back to blame it on Kthxbye for saying I was guilty and lynched him. Or maybe lynched just about any other townie who did vote me. They would be in LyLo with ease, and would have probably won already.

[Carrot and Stick]

OH MY FUCKING GOD.

MATHDINO

.

I KNOW YOU IGNORE MY POSTS.

BUT YOU NEED TO READ THIS FROM ACRYON.

I think

you lynch someone that, to your point, would have been very difficult to lynch

, and

have a fairly easy out when they flip town

(hint: we're living that out right now).

What is Kthx's scum motivation

now

? I think he's too far in to turn back, so I think he has to push forward and hope people will side with him. I presume C&S will come in and wall about how A50 is scum, and I think that's what Kthx has to hope for at this point.

READ THE EMPHASIZED PART OF THIS.

Why is this important?

...Now, tell me.
What action did acryon use on D1?
Who did he use it on?

How would you describe Iconeum and you, Mathdino?
Would you agree with me that both Iconeum and yourself qualify as players who would be very difficult to lynch?

And FURTHERMORE.

Would you agree with me that acryon (especially given how he is not under nearly as much suspicion as he should be in part because you keep fucking writing him off), having gladiated you and Iconeum, had a fairly easy out? That he pushed forward and hoped people wouldn't side against him? That he hoped I'd come in and wall about why you were scum or something to that effect?

[Almost50]

Also, how the hell do you NOT believe me?? I initially read it as "I believe A50". If you don't believe me so I must be scum!!!!

[Almost50]

He probably has some weird plan

I did, but Kthxbye not differentiating between his result and an actual "didn't take any action" messed it up.

[Kthxbye]

NM: what are your cases on me/mastina/math?

[Not_Mafia]

NM: what are your cases on me/mastina/math?

ISO

[Carrot and Stick]

there's a soft guilty on you and you're not fullclaiming

Precisely. Almost50's reaction has been that of a scum player every step of the way.

[Kthxbye]

I don't believe A50's claim, but I still think it's kthnx/mastina/Math

I'd say Mastina makes more sense, unless someone is faking their role. I mean, theoretically it's possible Dino did the NK and he would not have been suspected if tracked because he claimed to BG the target beforehand, but it looks damn to easy I'm not convinced Dino would do it, plus a BG would get lynched before LyLo if still alive.

Kthxbye would be my least suspect of the 3, because I wouldn't expect him going specifically after me.

If they wanted me dead they would have shot me

.. again unless BOTH Mastina and Dino are TOWN (i.e. either of those two being Scum with Kthxbye is virtually impossible because they would know better).

So,

I think Kthxbye is Town

and they (either or both) just saw an opportunity presented to them to try and get a lynch on me. Please refer to the overview of how it would have worked if I got mislynched and then they came back to blame it on Kthxbye for saying I was guilty and lynched him. Or maybe lynched just about any other townie who did vote me. They would be in LyLo with ease, and would have probably won already.

First bold, I'm not sure a commuter uses this language knowing his role. I would have expected "If they wanted me dead they would have

tried

to shoot me". It's a subtle difference but still.

Second bold, if this is true, why is your vote STILL on me?

[Kthxbye]

NM: what are your cases on me/mastina/math?

ISO

yeah, your ISO doesn't have any cases, just bullshit one liners. Do you know what a case is and how to go about building one?

[Kthxbye]

He probably has some weird plan

I did, but Kthxbye not differentiating between his result and an actual "didn't take any action" messed it up.

Note: MOD has not clarified this so....yeah.....

[Almost50]

A50: Why did you leave your vote on me after I claimed and you fully believed I was what I claimed (according to your posts after my claim)?

Because no scum would have had the guts to hammer you anyway. They wanted a townie to do it.

To be more precise, I did break it down to you as to whom I think is scum, and the only one outside of both our wagons was Mastina, and had she hammered you that would have been an explicit scum claim. The scum on me (Mathdino) could not have switched wagons either, plus at the heat of the moment I hadn't yet thought about it all and thought you might be scum yourself (and you wouldn't be hammering yourself, and if you did that as scum then all the better). The third scum was already on your wagon.

On short, it took me a while to realize the situation and when I did I unvoted you and explained.

[Kthxbye]

alright A50. Let's say you're legit. Who are the scum and who is your lynch today?

[Not_Mafia]

NM: what are your cases on me/mastina/math?

ISO

yeah, your ISO doesn't have any cases, just bullshit one liners. Do you know what a case is and how to go about building one?

Just because I don't post conventional style cases doesn't say anything about the quality of the argument, you're not gonna get away with attacking my posting style in this playerlist.

[Almost50]

Actually, Mastina's scumming it up a bit more. Scum!tina sometimes deliberately takes 2 steps back and pretends to be busy catching up, so she won't have to actually respond to the CURRENT situation before she had thought it out well. That's not a conclusive tell though.

Also, on D1 when she talked much about herself and especially when she said I never pegged her correctly as scum, that was scummy too because Scum!tina likes to brag about how she is invincible as scum (I think it's some kind of a self-esteem booster that also serves to have a negative psychological effect on the enemy ... the Joseph Goebbels propaganda style of you will).

But since both these tells aren't conclusive I don't usually use them outright. There's also the fact she is still alive which is always suspicious. Mastina claims she doesn't get shot on N1 all that often, but I think the most recent game we played together where she was Town was DoY and she was in a 3-headed hydra and they did get shot on N1, so I beg to differ. I also pushed that aside thinking maybe scum wanted to get 2 townies for the price of one, so each lead "alone" isn't strong enough but "all together" is good enough to suggest this is Scum!tina.

[Carrot and Stick]

Stop trying to ruin my play.

[Almost50]

First bold, I'm not sure a commuter uses this language knowing his role. I would have expected "If they wanted me dead they would have tried to shoot me". It's a subtle difference but still.

Second bold, if this is true, why is your vote STILL on me?

First bold: I said "shot me", not "killed me".

Second bold: It's not. I unvoted you back when I did that spoiler explaining scum are lining us both for the lynch.

[Almost50]

Something to ponder on:

Spoiler:

We are 8 vs 3 now.
mislynch + NK = 6 vs 3
scum lynch + NK = 5 vs 2
mislynch + NK = 3 vs 2
And we know there is no Vig, so I would definitely fake a guilty on someone of I was Mafia here in this situation. A 1 for 1 isn't such a bad gamble for Scum right now, especially with the town so divided.

^That's the motive^

HOWEVER, let's consider Kthxbye is town who misunderstood his result and scum are taking advantage of it. It would be even more plausible for them to push BOTH wagons (i.e. split themselves between them) so as to get one lynched and be semi-guaranteed the other will follow.

In this case we are 8 vs 3
mislynch + NK = 6 vs 3
mislynch + NK = 4 vs 3
So that is LyLo already.

UNVOTE:

Like, I now I'm old but I'm not THAT old! I don't have alzheimer's yet.

[Almost50]

alright A50. Let's say you're legit. Who are the scum and who is your lynch today?

Check below. Mastina's my top preferred lynch. Still reevaluating Dino here. If it was anyone else I would have been confident he was Scum, but Dino has a way of making things look cool and getting things going his way (I lynched him on D1 in an open setup Micro thinking he was definitely the Mafioso when he was in fact the Jester)

[Carrot and Stick]

You also gladiated the 2 town players working on writing a case for you, so forgive me if I assume that your reads this game have been almost entirely self-centred.

What alignment do you think, generally speaking, has reads which are more self-centered?

...Especially coming from a player who is not shitty like acryon by your own account is not? (That being, by your own experience, acryon's not a shitty player.)

[Beefster]

Scum A50 --> Town Kthxbye
We can be almost certain of this because this is simply a bad bus and would backfire if SvS.

Town A50 --> Town Kthxbye
If A50's town, then he must actually be a commuter. This explains Kthxbye's "No result" and clears him.

Either way, Kthxbye has to be town.

UNVOTE:

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Carrot

If kthnxbye isn't happening today

[Kthxbye]

Sigh....

I don't think I'm comfy with an A50 lynch today.

On one hand, the claim is convenient as fuck. Depending on the order in which things are settled, if commuter goes off first, he's also unkillable by scum which is super strong for town considering the claims we have.

On the other hand, I can't think of a scum role with an action that would give me a NO RESULT nor a 1-shot PR powerful enough for him not to take an action but claim he did.


I think it's back to acryon for me which still a lynch on scum. Looking back over his activity during this follower fiasco doesn't do anything to change that.

VOTE: acryon

[Kthxbye]

A50 and NM: What is the scum motivation for basically conf towning me if they know both myself and A50 are town? If A50 is town and we lynch him today and he flips commuter, how do they get me mislynched later down the line when they said I'm town no matter what A50 flips?

[Kthxbye]

and with that, I'm out

[Not_Mafia]

You're not conftown, you're not even town