Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[BuJaber]

Who would be scum in this you and kthx are both town scenario?

Theoretically the lynch pool would include most anyone else, but I always assume 1 scum on each wagon and the 3rd off it.

So, 1 scum in Beefster/acryon/Momrangal/N_M
Another in You/Mathdino
And a Third is Mastina/TW/IB

Trying to to refine it I probably get one in Beefster/acryon/N_M (I dunno which, but mom is clear IMHO), another in BuJ/Dino (I'm undecided) and the third is Mastina (I can't see TW/IB as Scum in any world)

This is rediculous. There is no way MD is town. I know I'm town and I think everyone else also thinks I'm town by now so this literally can't be true. One scum HAS to be between you and kthx. Also why are you so confident mom is town?

@mom - why are you so confident A50 is town?

My problem now is do I believe you're a commuter and we have 3 other roles that protect/mess with scums NK or do I think the claim is way to convenient and you simply didn't act last night as a scum PR. The only way the latter makes much sense is if you are a 1-shot.

Another thing I'm considering is how long it took you to claim. Was it truly because you were trying to mess with scum night actions or was it because it took you a minute to find a better fake claim than the one provided by the MOD?

A 1-shot what exactly??

Also -and this is more important- I've been trying high and low, left and right to convince you that I was telling the truth and your result is still accurate. You haven't been cooperative at all. First you didn't want to claim the exact result, forcing me to make you. Second, you wouldn't get a hint (and I believe my hints were strong enough I suspect Scum already worked things out anyway).

Basically, if I was a Scum PR "who didn't act" why the hell would I tell you that I DID?? Like, you first assumed I did the NK although that IS an action, and now you tell me I'm scum who didn't act??

Town reactions:
-accusing kthx until one of you dies in game or in real life not backing up at all
-since you know a commuter might mess with his result you would consider his towniness from the beginning


A50 and NM went after carrot, went after kthx, didn't get the votes they needed so now they're changing their narrative and tone.


A50 and NM are so reluctant to disclose information that they claim makes them sure about someone's alignment. There is no open and shut case based on posts in thread that they can make to back their claims (NM claims acryon town, A50 claims kthx scum, carrot scum, mom town) and they just want us to trust them.


This is bs and if you really cared about town not mislynching you'd try to convince people better. You can either care about winning so you put the effort in or you don't care about winning and not put the effort in. In the 2nd scenario you would not make a big deal about how town are idiots for potentially lynching you. You can't have it both ways. If you're town take fucking responsibility for causing this game state.

A50 and NM are DEFINITELY SCUM making ACRYON SCUM by association.


I am never lynching anyone else unless one of them flips town.

That is not to mention that there is no town motivation for acryon's play, A50's play, NM's play.

That is not to mention there is no scum motivation for kthx's play.

That is not to mention how unlikely it is that mastina would be scum and act the way she did. Because the narrative in which she would be scum would be if she wanted icon/MD mislynch. If she wanted to buddy town. If she wanted to discredit mom.
While she would have motivation to do those things her actions cannot reasonably be said to help achieve this. The only one she appears to be buddying would be me.

That is not to mention that SCUM HAVE FAKECLAIMS. THEY CAN PLAN EXACTLY HOW THEY WOULD USE SUCH A CLAIM SO IT MAKES SENSE. That is why everyone could be telling the truth when claiming but they could also be lying. It's either this or that. We are wasting time considering things like well what if both are not lying. In a game like this the easiest explanation for a 1v1 is that one of them is lying that is it. No more no less.

EVEN IF YOU'RE READS DON'T MATCH WITH MINE. There are too many associatives linked with an A50 flip or an acryon flip. EVEN IF ONE OF THEM IS TOWN. We really need to see them flip. Considering anyone else is suboptimal.


Also give the mod some credit that he gave scum fake claims that actually make sense with the actual town power roles. Why are people not understanding this part? Just because it makes sense doesn't mean it's true.

Finally UNLESS THE MOD SPECIFICALLY TROLLED ME. my role implies that there is some sort of tracking ability in the game. Since only kthx has claimed something like this he has to be telling the truth. If there is no tracking ability then I am literally a VT. That's all I'm willing to say.

[Almost50]

If he were town, then he'd know your claim was legitimate and not try to discredit it yet alone vote it.

No I wouldn't and I didn't, because the way he claimed it he sounded too confident it was a GUILTY, and "No Result" just isn't a guilty, and YOU BLOODY KNOW IT. Had he realized it wasn't he would not have claimed in the first place, and he would have probably phrased his question differently and then he would have got the right answer.

I can't believe an astute mod like you would not see this, and this is why you're scum to the core.

[Carrot and Stick]

The following quote was written by non-other than the queen herself. Yes. Mastina wrote this about me in Steven Universe 2
And I quote:

Spoiler: Quotation

But as town, it's the other way around: Almost50 is of the mindset that the longer he lives as town, the more able he is to fuck the scum over. So he aims to be chaotic, confusing, even a bit scummy, starting off weak, when he's not so sure in his footing. He plans, he has ideas, but doesn't quite know what will work yet, what gambit to pull, what traps to lay. He'll still gamble for the hope of that later payoff, but he doesn't need it; as the game progresses, he gets stronger pushes, more energy, more focus, and yes, more paranoid, more stubborn, and more involved. So he's town.

(post #3381, 4th paragraph.)

Yes I did say that. Your entrance into this game was NONE of those things. Your entrance wasn't chaotic. It wasn't confusing. It wasn't scummy. It wasn't weak. It didn't have unsure footing. So thanks for the reminder. You're literally doing my work for me of describing why you're playing your scumgame.

On that note...

Spoiler: Quotation

"As scum, Almost50 starts out strong, in the open, establishing his presence, and then slowly sinks into the background where he safely mucks about and does what he pleases, because nobody's taking a look at him: he made them think he was town, and then he stayed just long enough in the background where they never bothered to reassess the idea."

You started off strong, you were open, you established a presence, and then slowly sank into the background to safely much about and do what you pleased; nobody took a look at you. You made people think you were town, and then nobody thought to reassess the idea.

You're not playing to your town meta;
You ARE playing to your scum meta.

Exactly as I described it in Steven Universe 2, the game you're attempting to use in your defense.

[Carrot and Stick]

Derp. Meant to post that with this.

dude it's honestly probably not_mafia

Would powerfuckingvote there.

Really would powerfuckingvote any of acryon/Almost50/Not_Mafia for that matter.

[Carrot and Stick]

I only had 4 votes when YOU voted me.

Incorrect. It was four INCLUDING me.

But the rest is correct, and in a sense makes me right. PRIOR TO my vote on you, you never got

over

half the lynch threshold, technically speaking. (You were AT half the lynch threshold. So, technicality, butstill.) Was a side-point to my argument anyway.

[Carrot and Stick]

You didn't start off weak, A50. You started off with a bang looking good, and even claimed that you expected my protection. You seemed to expect the NK enough to commute last night.

Indeed. Almost50's narrative is filled to the brim with hole after hole, inconsistency after inconsistency, viewpoint flaw after viewpoint flaw. He is changing his story as he goes along, but not in a way where there is an actual evolution in process. It's abrupt and sudden, to fit things as most convenient.

[Carrot and Stick]

I was not (and never am) worried about actually being NK'd.

I never said you were!

I said you were never getting shot at with the strategy you are claiming you were employing--which as you yourself point out...

As a Commuter though I have to try to hide my role in hopes that I DO get shot at.

...Is the fucking job of the commuter. MY POINT IS THAT WITH YOU PLAYING AS YOU WERE, YOU WERE NEVER GETTING SHOT.

[Mathdino]

mastina who in the playerlist do you actually think you're swaying with posts like this lol

[Almost50]

In post #1660 Mastina snips the second quote to make it look like I said that was an exclusive scumtell, when in fact I did say it was non-conclusive.

She appears to have forgot to delete the 6th quote though, as I understand the point was to discredit me and make me look like I said she was looking all town on D1, but that quote in there shows I did hint that her talking about herself was a weak scum tell. I didn't say it explicitly (didn't out the tell itself) but I did say she was dropping "a tell" that was weak to pursue on it's own.

The last paragraph is incredibly misleading and you can all go check the game. Mastina indeed wasn't killed BECAUSE SHE SUCKED. All her reads were WRONG and she lynched a CLAIMED COP. Now who would shoot someone who lynches a claimed Cop on D2?

You know what? I'm done debating with Mastina. If anybody has a question for me they're welcome to ask. Just don't take anything she says at face value.

[Carrot and Stick]

I can't believe an astute mod like you would not see this, and this is why you're scum to the core.

One, not all mods mod using my standard. Two, even if they did, players don't necessarily know about that standard and assume a different one is in play. Three, you still were in a position where you knew that No Result was truthful so you were still in a position where you knew his claim was accurate--his belief he had a guilty when he didn't isn't even relevant.

You still should have known he was telling the truth, but acted as if he was lying.

[BuJaber]

No worries A50 if you flip town I'll vote for mastina and then go quit like I promised when she flip scum.

That's not likely going to happen though.

[Mathdino]

hey bujaber would you be down with lynching not_mafia

[BuJaber]

Though in actual fact kthx would look the worst so he'd be first to get lynched after you flip town. I don't give benefit of the doubt to shit like this 1v1. One of you flipping town confscums the other.

[the worst]

hey bujaber would you be down with lynching not_mafia

Though in actual fact kthx would look the worst so he'd be first to get lynched after you flip town. I don't give benefit of the doubt to shit like this 1v1. One of you flipping town confscums the other.

Scuse u if anyone looks the worst here it's me

[the worst]

Derpquoted I only meant to press "Kthx would look the worst"

[BuJaber]

I think he's scum but no. He is the last scum I want to lynch. If A50 and acryon are both town (again, I don't actually believe this is likely), that clears NM imo.

I am only voting for a50 or acryon. And I'd much rather it was A50 because A50 v Kthx is definitely TvS.

[Kthxbye]

You didn't start off weak, A50.

You started off with a bang looking good, and even claimed that you expected my protection. You seemed to expect the NK enough to commute last night.

Can you find this post where he expects your protection?

[BuJaber]

The worst.. sorry friend

[the worst]

I'd prefer if Acryon was left alive today fwiw

[Carrot and Stick]

Mastina indeed wasn't killed BECAUSE SHE SUCKED.

Nope! I called two of the three scum lategame and had called the third scum earlier in the game but dropped it under the mistaken belief that the player who knew how to read them best was townreading them when they died. Oh and because said third scum was all too happy in helping me bus the other two actual scum.

You however made multiple errors including a key math error which made a critical difference in the game, locking me up which prevented me from pointing out said error, scumreading me, and letting the two mislynches be the lead wagons D3 (which I adamantly was in opposition of).

she lynched a CLAIMED COP.

Stating this is technically true but incredibly misleading--I mislynched a claimed-in-neighborhood-I-had-no-access-to cop off of incorrect information which YOU conveyed, but conveyed in a misleading way which heavily implicated and incriminated said cop.

In fact, if memory serves, it wasn't even a claimed-in-thread cop. It was a claimed "acted on the nightkill". Not even investigative! I didn't learn of the cop until after the hammer. I acknowledge that this was a result of poor communication; had Chara relayed the information to me that you had asked it to relay to me (which it had not done), then I would indeed have not done that and would in fact have defended the claimed cop.

However, because the information failed to be conveyed, I stand by my statement. I acted the best I could have under the information I had at my disposal at the time. The information I had at my disposal was incomplete and misleading, but you are judging me as if I had access to information I simply didn't have.

Mastina snips the second quote to make it look like I said that was an exclusive scumtell, when in fact I did say it was non-conclusive. She appears to have forgot to delete the 6th quote though, as I understand the point was to discredit me and make me look like I said she was looking all town on D1, but that quote in there shows I did hint that her talking about herself was a weak scum tell.

Maybe because my point wasn't that you were townreading me as you seem to think. It was the inconsistency in your stances on how you judge/read me. The quotes I brought up all indicated one way of reading me, a way reading me which basically goes "fuck mastina saying she knows all her scumtells, I know some scumtells which she doesn't, and these tells are ones I will not share".
Yet the quotes you said in 1613 were...scumtells that I openly know about and tell everyone about. A contrast to your D1 stance.

I'm done debating with Mastina. If anybody has a question for me they're welcome to ask. Just don't take anything she says at face value.

AKA, "mastina raises too many valid points for me to realistically counter so I just won't".

[Mathdino]

Without elaborating on speculation on reads or night actions, I would like everyone to answer:

Who is more predictable when it comes to their protection night action?
A. Mathdino
B. mastina

Whoever is more predictable should be the one that protects Iconeum. The other does their best elsewhere.

I'd say it's Mathdino, but his claimed choice of protecting Iconeum earlier gives me pause.

Suffice it to say that I would have expected Dino to protect me initially, and I would have never imagined Mastina would pick me for protection.

Also, @Mastina: Check this post for the most recent example of me pegging you (as scum) correctly, although I was wrong about both RC & Anen.

I wanted to respond last night before I went to sleep but the game was still ongoing, so I'm actually lucky to see it's officially over while I'm typing this.

Another incident was in Kuroi's game when we were all scum (all but Chara). However, there wasn't much I could've done about it in thread and I never landed the NK (nor did Peregrine) so I was literally at a disadvantage there.

But sure, you may want to claim you know of all your tells, and -in fact- the weaker one is starting to show in her, but not the "conclusive" one.

As for the lynch, I've decided I'm not voting unless it's to

hammer the No Lynch

. "When in doubt.." ahem.. you know the rest.

[Mathdino]

I think he's scum but no. He is the last scum I want to lynch. If A50 and acryon are both town (again, I don't actually believe this is likely), that clears NM imo.

I am only voting for a50 or acryon. And I'd much rather it was A50 because A50 v Kthx is definitely TvS.

Disagree
Starting to think nothing clears him
He's bad when he doesn't give a shit
But he's rarely absolutely terrible when he does

[Kthxbye]

Fuck it, out of everyone I have the largest gut town read on Dino. Sheeping him tonight.

p.edit. Re-A50 p929. Would town commuter A50, expecting Dino to protect him, say something D1 to the effect of "don't protect me tonight..."?

[Almost50]

@Kthxbye: It's 929. I'm not going to bother explaining anymore. If you can't get what I said (or meant) from the context I'd rather be lynched and out of this game.

@BuJ: For the last time.. there was a misunderstanding. Kthxbye claimed he had a RESULT in me, and I knew he could have one. It turned out to be he misunderstood the result (and the mod is taking forever to verify this). There's no way I could have anticipated he mistook "No Result" for "No Action", and -in his mind- the two were the same so I was lying.

And I'm trying to give everyone here the benefit of the doubt because I legit don't know which of you lot is misunderstanding and which is faking. I know Mastina's 100% faking because she keeps repeating the same shot over and over, and then she snips quotes and tailors them to fit her narrative (she's damn too good at it, and I actually like playing with her, but even when I'm 100% she's town I wouldn't follow her because she's not as good a scum hunter as she claims to be. Her strength is in manipulating and strong arming the town to lynch whomever she wants to lynch and then go "Oops! I was wrong.. but I'm not wrong on this one" and the she does it again.)

She's also good at scum because she uses the same method of power lynching people. Just go check her Guide to read Mastina where she basically says she's always town, and if scum then suck it and accept the loss.

[Almost50]

@Mastina: Please remind me to PM you with a question after this game is over. It isn't really game related, but I'd rather be extra safe. Thanks.