Open 710: MKUltra - Foreign Spies Win!

[springlullaby]

Gif, do you have only one scum as suspect? Really? and i'm not even on your list?

[GuyInFreezer]

Gif, do you have only one scum as suspect? Really? and i'm not even on your list?

That was me telling you that your readlist sucks.

[GuyInFreezer]

If anyone cares I can go into further detail here.

Please do.
Cos I see Sky as very strong potential partner of Mikan.

[skitter30]

Sorry, had a boatload of hw due today but have time for this now.

Putting this here cuz I found the kill flavor confusing:

Ice mafia killed: TT, Aneninen
Fire mafia killed: Kop, NM

Beef flipped town, RF flipped town.

There's 7 players alive, 4 town, 2 ice mafia, 1 fire mafia.

I kinda think that we probably want to lynch the fire mafia today so that we don't have two kills tonight.
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I guess I'm just going to ramble a bit about where I'm at. I don't have many firm conclusions though.

Mikan is very, very likely scum imo. I've been saying that throughout the game and I havne't really seen anything townie from the slot like at all.

I'm having a lot of trouble seeing town!sky; I think his vote on me yesterday was gross and he feels very band-wagon-y and oppurtunistic in a holistic sense.

Iconeum I haven't really seen anything scummy from, nor have I seen anything specifically townie recently. I guess they're town by default cuz there has to be town somewhere? Idk, I don't really feel confident about it.

Sesq's posts confuse me. I can kinda see sesq/hawk as being a thing since both hawk and aneninen were soft-defending her and her playstyle a lot. I guess I feel like she's lynchbait if town and the fact that there was never a serious push on her is a little bit surprising to me.

I didn't really have a read on Mumble. Spring's posts are really weird; I'm having a lot of trouble understanding how she's been coming to her conclusions. Spring/sesq probably isn't a thing. I don't really understand where her readlslist is coming from (especially the strong townread on Mikan)

I guess GIF is more likely town than not as well, but I don't feel confident about it either. Still don't like his involvement in the RF wagon. I don't think he's a hawk partner (their fight over the pl on nm doesn't really feel like partners to me).

@GIF: What do you think about the fact that RC wanted you lynched if he died?

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tldr:

{GIF, Iconuem}
{Sesq} -- null
{sky/spring}
{mikan}

probably not hawk partners: GIF,
maybe a hawk partner - Sesq

(I want to go through Hawk/Aneninen's ISO to get a better feel for who partners may or may not be.)

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going to go through today's posts now.

[skitter30]

Who were scumreading NM again?

Hawk had NM as a consistent scumread, and Aneninen was building up to an NM push.

I agree Mikan is almost certainly scum with that give-up message so consider my vote there in spirit.

OK, why was that a give-up message? I don't really like your sudden read-reversal on Mikan.

All I'm saying is gif has 4 to 5 days to mislynch me before I powerlynch him because he's a fucking wolf

Why did you come to this conclusion? And if you think he's a wolf, why didn't you try to lynch him before now?

If GiF R-rushes my lynch today b-before getting a chance to o-out other reads o-or to let me explain my read on him, then he's scum because he scared of me being a threat. I deserve to have my reads outed because I am town a

I mean, you had an entirety of like four posts day2 so it doesn't really seem like you're much interested in sharing your thoughts with us anyways.

Mikan Tsumiki - scum / Most sure about this one, pretty sure partnered with aneninen based on ISO. If anyone cares I can go into further detail here.

Yes, I'd be interested in this; I've been having trouble figuring out who hawk's partner would be. (Or who Mikan's partner might be)

How does 300 and 310 fit into your partner theory?

If anyone cares I can go into further detail here.

Please do.
Cos I see Sky as very strong potential partner of Mikan.

Why?

[GuyInFreezer]

@GIF: What do you think about the fact that RC wanted you lynched if he died?

More reason for me-town :shrug:

[skitter30]

OK, why does that point to town!you?

[Sesq]

springlullaby is ice and tried to frame me

i said i was going to nightkill ane and he's been pushing me before and after on the basis of it

hasn't done anything except call me and some others scum

VOTE: springlullaby if i didnt already

would really like if you guys piled up here too

will admit the gambit fell apart more for me the more i thought about it but he's still scummy as hell

[Iconeum]

I'm not very happy with the Beefster lynch btw, scum wagon don't go as easy on d2 as rule of thumb.
So yeah this town needs to clam its tities.

Right now, Sesq's post doesn't make me read him less scum.
and scum list are good

Scumming up:
skitter
sesq
possibly GIF (it was one of GIF or sesq yesterday) I dunno, I like sesq as scum better so GIF as null

NULL
SKy
Ico

TOwn:
Mikan


I'll do a VCA next now we have a scum flip.

I'd seriously love an explanation on that Mikan town read bro

[springlullaby]

I didn't really have a read on Mumble. Spring's posts are really weird; I'm having a lot of trouble understanding how she's been coming to her conclusions. Spring/sesq probably isn't a thing. I don't really understand where her readlslist is coming from (especially the strong townread on Mikan)

I already answered to the Mikan slot. Mikan himself is not a townread of mine, but Technical Difficulties's #225 (IIRC) is a strong town read from my going through D1 and I'm sticking to it. I think perhaps people don't understand my reads because I replaced in and am not embroiled in tunnels of interactions. I think also people don't understand my read because I'm an old player and stuff that seem obvious to me do not seem so to you guys.

Beefster was quite obviously town to me just on account of the speed of his wagon. You better bet that, esp in multiball, there will be resistance to a wagon on scum. See my last game where I was scum and did belly dancing to avoid my

cop counterclaimed partner

being lynched, and it almost worked too.

What I really don't see is how you guys are reading Mikan as scum. Just go read 225. It's town all over.

BTW, this is actually a good post from skitter

BUT

it lacks a vote.
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VOTE COUNT

RedFlavor

(7) -

Kop

,

GuyInFreezer

,

Not_Mafia

,

Sesq

,

Beefster

,

Hawk

, Mikan Tsumiki

Not_Mafia

(2) -

Tatl and Tael

, Sky_Paladin

Beefster

(2) - Iconeum,

skitter30

Iconeum

(1) -

Mumble

Mikan Tsumiki

(1) -

RedFlavor

Not Voting:

A lynch has been achieved!

Night has ended.

Flip incoming.

VOTE COUNT

Beefster

(6) -

Not_Mafia

, Mikan Tsumiki, Sky_Paladin, Iconeum,

Aneninen

+

Sesq in #607

Sesq

(2) -

springlullaby

,

Beefster

Mikan Tsumiki

(1) -

GuyInFreezer

Not Voting:

skitter30

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

--> I kinda understand how Mikan's vote don't look good. But my town read on TD is really strong.
--> THe VCA and the Ane's flip throw a wrench in my townwagon D1 theory. Though I still can see another scum on there.
--> I can see GIF being townier and Sky paladin being scummier from the VCA.
--> Sesq's vote don't look good.


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Sesq, whereas I was scum I wouldn't see the point of your "gambit". Me being town just make me go wut about your reasoning. I have zero control over NK's so what you are saying is akin to me saying, "yeah sesq is scum who killed Aneninen to frame me by saying that I killed Aneninem to frame him"

That kind of logic is just bad and not townie and I don't know how people are not reading it as scum. Plus the casual jokes about who you are going to NK, it's just piling up.

Also, your vote on me has OMGUS voting all over it.

My yesterday's vote was more of a hunch but today you are flailing quite hard I believe. + Bad votes.

VOTE: SESQ

Updated read list

Scum:
Sesq
Sky
Icon

Null:
GIF
Skitter

Town:
Mikan

I'll think about fire and ice next.

[springlullaby]

BTW Sesq, read list if you please.

[Iconeum]

spring, if you are going by 225 from TD, what do you think if his hard-townread on me? You have me as scum.
Would you agree or disagree that a townTD is pushing the Hawk-scum read much much harder?
How do you explain the read change between 167 and 225, where TD goes from scum!beefster to town!beefster? That's a full 180 there.

So yeah, 'town all over' is not what I would call that 225.

[Mikan Tsumiki]

Town:
Mikan

U-uh...
I would like to ask you to towncase me please.
S-Sorry if this is too much to ask!

[Iconeum]

Mikan, we are waiting for your GiF case and we don't like this waiting!
Get to it, now!

[Mikan Tsumiki]

U-Uh I'm sorry but I think you're illiterate!
Please forgive me if that disturbs you.

[springlullaby]

Town:
Mikan

U-uh...
I would like to ask you to towncase me please.
S-Sorry if this is too much to ask!

I m not TD so i can't explain for him. But changing mind is not scummy. Esp on day 1. I don't have to espouse someone s view to think them Town. What do you think of that ico?

[springlullaby]

Above is adressed at ico.

[springlullaby]

Mikan, read list please.

[springlullaby]

Whose alt/hydro is Mikan? It occupes to me it was larking or rp'ing or something.

[springlullaby]

Occured *

[Iconeum]

spring, changing mind is not scummy by itself. However, there is no reasoning behind the change whatsoever. Read the posts in between the 180. There is no reason for switching like that. 1 minute it's scum, next it's town? That's not a change of mind, that's convenience and I do read it as scummy.

[Mikan Tsumiki]

Town:
Mikan

U-uh...
I would like to ask you to towncase me please.
S-Sorry if this is too much to ask!

I m not TD so i can't explain for him. But changing mind is not scummy. Esp on day 1. I don't have to espouse someone s view to think them Town. What do you think of that ico?

U-Um... I'm sorry but I was asking for a Towncase not avoiding my question?
Sorry if thats an abstract concept, please use me as a paperweight as much as you want!

M-Maybe it would help if I defined a towncase?
Case - A full explanation on a read on someone.
Town - Duh.

T-Therefore Towncase - A full explanation on why someone is town.
Y-Ya know, like how you do with scumfucks?

S-Sorry, please feed me to the dogs if being reminded of something so elementary is embarassing for you!

[Alisae]

U-Um like
Its D3, and I-I don't think thats going to cut it.
Sorry! Please fly me like a paper airplane!

[Mikan Tsumiki]

U-Um like
Its D3, and I-I don't think thats going to cut it.
Sorry! Please fly me like a paper airplane!

[springlullaby]

I already explained my town read on TD. It is what it is but I will review what Ico said. Mikan,you have not however posted a read list.