Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[BuJaber]

(Since acryon can't be gladiator + strongman him not doing anything just means someone else performed kill.. doesn't clear him)

[Momrangal]

Mathdino is policy lynching.
Mathdino is not being logical.
Mathdino is being emotional

Pedit: BUJI I WAS JAILED NOT MASTINA

[Momrangal]

Jailkeepee roleblocks. If I am roleblocked I can't sent a @#!&@ message

[Momrangal]

ANYWAY

Me and Mara are not synching Thus she must be scum (we never sync)
Mara is not working with me she must be scum
Maras plan with her role is more convenient as scum and she would never do that as town and thus is scum

[BuJaber]

I mean mod answered it in a pretty vague and general way but Fine we got time here's your only lifeline. (Assuminy beef is not lying - don't forget you flipping scum could implicate him too)

@mod - if a messenger is jailed will their message be received by their target?

[BuJaber]

Inb4 mod refuses to answer and we are left there laughing helplessly at our situation.

[BuJaber]

Please answer gamma <3

[Mathdino]

WHAT ABOUT MASTIN CALLING A50 SCUM FOR DOING SOMETHING HE DOES AS BOTH ALIGNMENTS

And honestly is isn't just A50. She's been doing that all game. To all of her supposed scum reads

Wow that sounds like something mastina does as both alignments

So either Math is lying or scum have strongman. (Strongman it is).

Or they roleblocked me.

Either Mom is lying or mastina is lying (jailkeeper does not rolestop actions as mod has said).

Jailkeeper doesn't rolestop, they roleblock. Rolestopping makes someone untargetable. Roleblocking stops the night action.
Beefster jailed Marangal. She's probably actually a messenger.

Either kthx is lying or A50 is lying or A50 is ninja+strongman or A50 is ascetic or both town. Not a whole lot of help there. Just if kthx is scum his play was really weird. I mean it would indicate a kthx/NM/acryon team maybe. Or kthx/mastina/NM. Or Kthx/mastina/beef? Whatever don't need to figure that out now.

Kthx can't be lying. Kthx knew A50 didn't perform a trackable night action. Scenarios are:
- Kthx/A50 scumteam (lol)
- Kthx scum follower, A50 town commuter
- Kthx town follower, A50 town commuter
- Kthx town follower, A50 scum commuter/ascetic

Kthx/N_M is a silly team.

NM's result doesn't clear acryon. If acryon is scum no way he'd have gladiator and strongman. If we believe NM acryon is town because of the info he doesn't want to reveal not because of the result. So they're both either scum or town independently. But fwiw I actually believe NM here I just think he's wrong about acryon.

This is a good point, and is a good reason we should flip scum until we catch the roleblocker or strongman.
N_M likely "knows" acryon is town by flavour or something. He said multiple times we all have enough info to figure it out.

We are assuming beef is town though there is nothing to suggest it honestly. Let's not forget him.

He's a jailkeeper and thus can be sorted by the NK. Just direct his night action carefully. Make sure he never jails someone that we think is his scumbuddy.

I think we have to lynch A50 or mom.

Correct.

Mastina being a liar is so unlikely. Let's just find out now fuck it I want that shit put to bed.

mastina doesn't lie that much as scum. Could still be scum claiming her real role though.

We have to lynch mom. Mom you flipping town single-handedly ensures a mastina lynch. Gotta take what you can get. Self vote please we don't need to stretch this out anymore. You might say well why not lynch mastina and if the answer is not obvious is that me and MD both think her being scum is quite far fetched so by default you're more expendable.

least convincing argument for a self-vote i've ever seen lol

3rd scum could be a lot of people so let's just find scum first and then we can think about the entire scumteam.

We should at least come up with scumteam ideas on the assumption that whomever we lynch flips scum.
We don't want to direct anyone to target their scumbuddy at night, because this allows for lying about the results.

[Mathdino]

Mathdino is policy lynching.
Mathdino is not being logical.
Mathdino is being emotional

Me and Mara are not synching Thus she must be scum (we never sync)
Mara is not working with me she must be scum
Maras plan with her role is more convenient as scum and she would never do that as town and thus is scum

Literally none of these are arguments I've used as to why you're scum?

I mean sending a message solely saying "I am town" is useless and is an argument that your role doesn't clear you, but that's not in itself why you're scum, lol.

[Momrangal]

Does she now? Last I recall she takes people's play into consideration

Pedit; not you Mastina

[Momrangal]

Oh and my favorite one is that I'm scum because I'm scum reading Buj.

[the worst]

Case Buj for me.

[Momrangal]

Can some one who has played for a whole year not know the basic function of a basic role

[the worst]

For petty points..... I can name more experienced players here who have put less effort into working out what their own roles do.

But that's also not alignment indicative.Give me a case on how Buj is scum here.

[Momrangal]

Erm

I'm stating the various reasons for mastias scum read on people

[Momrangal]

Earliee, though it amounted to IIOA and looking like he was doing something without actually doing something

[BuJaber]

Okay so are you saying my question to gamma is unnecessary?

Fine I'm willing to assume kthx is town based on that 67% chance. (Ignoring Kthx and A50 scumteam because lol)

Unless one of kthx/NM flips scum I won't bother explaining why they could be a team now. I'd rather keep it to myself just in case.


Anyway I'm wrong on a few points and me telling mom to self vote was just tongue in cheek. But my conclusion is still correct A50/mom is the lynch.

I do want to point out that a person telling the truth about their role could still be lying about their alignment I may have overlapped some stuff there. Also don't forget what fakeclaims mean for the game. There is no way all the roles claimed are real claims. We can't make decisions on all of them being true because they aren't. What we can do is make decisions on things that work whether or not someone's role is fake or not.

[the worst]

Ohhhhhhhh sorry. Derp. Yeah I can't process mastina rn.

Okay ignore the role stuff. Why is Buj scum?

pedit: what's your read on him now?

[Mathdino]

@1812 by Marangal: uhhhhh

A much better question is "Does scum intentionally fuck up in that way continually and throughout the day?"

Scumreading Bujaber is bad, it jumps on playstyle aspects and takes advantage of him being a dumbo.
Scumreading Kthx was atrocious, in the assumption that a clearly conservative type of player would call a fake guilty on someone on D2.
Scumreading mastina is fine I guess.

[Mathdino]

wait fuck
1076 by Marangal is genuine as fuck
i went back to make a case on her
but that plan doesn't come from scum
UNVOTE:

VOTE: A50
i'm gunning for this lynch, all out, let's go

[Mathdino]

to be clear, i completely skipped over that post the first time because mastina walls made me basically scroll to the end

so yeah mastina provably anti-town

[BuJaber]

Can anyone definitely say Mom/IB/Beef cannot be a scumteam?

Just want that out there because my first instincts tend to be pretty good and those 3 are are 3 out of my 4 first votes this game.

[BuJaber]

Oh you jusy cleared mom in your mind.. hmmm

[the worst]

I wanna talk to mom more

[BuJaber]

To be fair if she had messenger as a fakeclaim not a difficult thing to say as scum. She'd have come up with a reasonable story.