Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[BuJaber]

To be fair if she had messenger as a fakeclaim not a difficult thing to say as scum. She'd have come up with a reasonable story.

Ref. To post 1076

[BuJaber]

Can anyone definitely say Mom/IB/Beef cannot be a scumteam?

Just want that out there because my first instincts tend to be pretty good and those 3 are are 3 out of my 4 first votes this game.

At the very least I would be shocked to my core if none of those are scum.

[Mathdino]

Can anyone definitely say Mom/IB/Beef cannot be a scumteam?

there are worlds where all 3 of these are town

get better reads

too many people in this game have been reading based on charisma/skill rather than motivation

marangal has been bad town, which unfortunately is often indistinguishable from her towngame

but A50 is not bad town

N_M is not bad when he cares, and he clearly started caring when Kthx pulled the "guilty" (i wonder why)

[BuJaber]

Well I still want a definitive answer on jailkeeper and messenger interaction but okay.

VOTE: A50

[the worst]

Mom please tell me you didn't just leave

[Kthxbye]

ANYWAY

Me and Mara are not synching Thus she must be scum (we never sync)
Mara is not working with me she must be scum
Maras plan with her role is more convenient as scum and she would never do that as town and thus is scum

So you're saying we had a town backup JOAT who was backing up a scum JOAT?

Is this even a thing that has ever happened?

[Mathdino]

Yes.

[Kthxbye]

What's the VC on A50 and are we really ready to end this day? I have some concern about the lurkers letting this all play out with minimal posting...

[Kthxbye]

VOTE: A50

Thats 4

[Mathdino]

Votecount 2.2

Almost50(4)

~ Carrot and Stick(105), Mathdino(122), BuJaber(75), Kthxbye(92)

Carrot and Stick(3)

~ Not_Mafia(97), Almost50(80), Momrangal(76)

Not_Mafia(2)

~ the worst(74), Beefster(30)


Not Voting (2): InfernoBrafin(12), acryon(43)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-03-18 14:15:00)

[Mathdino]

Conservative Plan for A50 scumflip

:

Mathdino guards the worst
mastina docs Kthxbye
Beefster jails Bujaber
the worst checks Marangal
Marangal messages the worst
Not_Mafia motion detects acryon
Kthxbye follows either Not_Mafia or Beefster

Alternative Plan (focused around stopping the kill)

:

Mathdino guards Kthxbye
Kthxbye follows Not_Mafia
mastina roleblocks Beefster
Beefster jails mastina
Not_Mafia motion detects Marangal
Marangal holsters
the worst checks Bujaber

Works in the case that mastina and Beefster can stop each other from performing factional kills (and also on the basis that mastina and Beefster are not literally the scumteam).

Thoughts?

[BuJaber]

ANYWAY

Me and Mara are not synching Thus she must be scum (we never sync)
Mara is not working with me she must be scum
Maras plan with her role is more convenient as scum and she would never do that as town and thus is scum

So you're saying we had a town backup JOAT who was backing up a scum JOAT?

Is this even a thing that has ever happened?

This reminds me... That post of mom's is confusing as hell.
Mom is making fun of mastina's case on mom here right? Because otherwise who is mara?

I know I probably should have asked before but it wasn't gonna change my lynch pool of 2.

-pedit I'll think about it and answer separately

[acryon]

We have to lynch mom. Mom you flipping town single-handedly ensures a mastina lynch. Gotta take what you can get. Self vote please we don't need to stretch this out anymore. You might say well why not lynch mastina and if the answer is not obvious is that me and MD both think her being scum is quite far fetched so by default you're more expendable.

No we don't, and we're not lining up lynches, especially when the margin for error is so low (as MD pointed out earlier).

WHAT ABOUT MASTIN CALLING A50 SCUM FOR DOING SOMETHING HE DOES AS BOTH ALIGNMENTS

And honestly is isn't just A50. She's been doing that all game. To all of her supposed scum reads

Wow that sounds like something mastina does as both alignments

Do you agree that this is what Mastina has done here? If so, why is she not getting crap from you for it?

Mastina being a liar is so unlikely. Let's just find out now fuck it I want that shit put to bed.

mastina doesn't lie that much as scum. Could still be scum claiming her real role though.

Mastina doesn't

lie that much

as scum? Surely you're not giving her any shred of towncred for potentially

lying

.

We have to lynch mom. Mom you flipping town single-handedly ensures a mastina lynch. Gotta take what you can get. Self vote please we don't need to stretch this out anymore. You might say well why not lynch mastina and if the answer is not obvious is that me and MD both think her being scum is quite far fetched so by default you're more expendable.

least convincing argument for a self-vote i've ever seen lol

This made me lol too.

I do want to point out that a person telling the truth about their role could still be lying about their alignment I may have overlapped some stuff there. Also don't forget what fakeclaims mean for the game. There is no way all the roles claimed are real claims. We can't make decisions on all of them being true because they aren't. What we can do is make decisions on things that work whether or not someone's role is fake or not.

Echoing this. I believe the mod confirmed that scum are given fakeclaims.

wait fuck
1076 by Marangal is genuine as fuck
i went back to make a case on her
but that plan doesn't come from scum
UNVOTE:

VOTE: A50
i'm gunning for this lynch, all out, let's go

If you are even close to equally believing N_M and A50, shouldn't N_M be the lynch if you're between those two? A50's role is very very powerful for town if he's telling the truth (and we can just check him tonight).

Or do you just really believe N_M and not believe A50?

[the worst]

Is there a world where Mom and A50 are scum together?

[Mathdino]

Re: Mastina doing things as both alignments: Why would I give someone crap for something they do as both alignments when doing so would just result in more walls?

Re: Mastina lying: No I mean mastina's scum philosophy is based around lying as little as possible. I don't think she fakeclaims off the reservation in a setup where she's given a safeclaim.
Plus, the existence of a JOAT is basically confirmed. The powers are not.

Re: N_M vs A50: Not_Mafia's role is definitely more powerful than A50's. N_M defending acryon like this is more pro-town than anything A50's ever done.

Edit: @the worst: In a world where Marangal turns out to be scum? Sure, yeah.

[BuJaber]

I think we should say which plan we like without saying why.

I like the alternate plan.

[BuJaber]

But holsters means no action right? I disagree with that
why waste an action?

[BuJaber]

She should send a message to kthxbye

[acryon]

Re: Mastina doing things as both alignments: Why would I give someone crap for something they do as both alignments when doing so would just result in more walls?

Because if they are building cases on people for things they do as both alignments, that should be called out. Although I definitely sympathize with not wanting walls.

Re: N_M vs A50: Not_Mafia's role is definitely more powerful than A50's.

Is it? I guess I haven't played much (maybe not at all?) with motion detector or commuter, but feels like motion detector doesn't actually do much in a game like this where most people have PR's.

Is there a world where Mom and A50 are scum together?

I suppose I could see that. But actually if Momrangal is scum, I think it's less likely A50 is scum, because a lot of Momrangal's interactions with A50 feel like buddying.

[Mathdino]

Not_Mafia can potentially detect scum performing the nightkill, as long as we ensure that scum doesn't go and perform a night action on her instead.

@Bujaber: The point is that Marangal wouldn't fakeclaim her role; she's town messenger or scum messenger. By motion detecting her, we can basically stop her from performing the nightkill (or get caught by Not_Mafia).

[acryon]

Not_Mafia can potentially detect scum performing the nightkill, as long as we ensure that scum doesn't go and perform a night action on her instead.

@Bujaber: The point is that Marangal wouldn't fakeclaim her role; she's town messenger or scum messenger. By motion detecting her, we can basically stop her from performing the nightkill (or get caught by Not_Mafia).

But if we set up who N_M is going to detect, doesn't that person just make sure they aren't the one submitting the kill?

[BuJaber]

@Bujaber: The point is that Marangal wouldn't fakeclaim her role; she's town messenger or scum messenger. By motion detecting her, we can basically stop her from performing the nightkill (or get caught by Not_Mafia).

Fine. I'm good with that.

[the worst]

I'm 99% sure the correct action for me tonight is targeting acryon

[BuJaber]

Not_Mafia can potentially detect scum performing the nightkill, as long as we ensure that scum doesn't go and perform a night action on her instead.

@Bujaber: The point is that Marangal wouldn't fakeclaim her role; she's town messenger or scum messenger. By motion detecting her, we can basically stop her from performing the nightkill (or get caught by Not_Mafia).

But if we set up who N_M is going to detect, doesn't that person just make sure they aren't the one submitting the kill?

All his scumreads are blocked.

[BuJaber]

Yeah actually why check me?

How does definitively prove I'm town help anyone?