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[Mulch]

The very fact you are trying to argue this asinine point proves you will NEVER improve

[Not Known 15]

You can't justify your lie lol. It's never OK to soft anything as a VT.

that's false. i have seen VTs soft PRs to draw NKs. That is one of the things I have been told is an acceptable lie on this site.

I completely disagree with this but let's say I did.

Did you lie to draw out a NK? Why were you left till lylo?

I hinted at being a PR to finally end the 1 v 1 which should have been ended day 1. I was completely convinced havo was scum and didn't see any way outside of that tunnel and it needed to be resolved before mylo/lylo. I had convinced myself that with his flip, scum would kill me because I'd be confirmed town.

problem was he wasn't actually scum.

I was left alive because of the above, and because my reads were bad.

hmmm then why didn't you think one day before LYLO:"Why am I still alive"?

[Mulch]

Chumba I’m fine with playing with you again. Seriously, I have no ill will towards you because of this.

But I swear, if you tunnel me again I will completely ignore you.

If you tunnel another player that I town read, I will either ignore that or just vote you.

He’s one of two people on my blacklist

1)
2) robbnva

[Chumba]

Lies from VT's create confusion. That's all they create. If you're still alive at lylo after softing multiple times and you claim VT I'll lynch you every time.

I agree with this and I have prided myself on never lying. I can no longer claim I don't lie as town anymore because I was THAT sure havo was scum.

I fucked up, i admitted my mistakes already and keep doing it.

I'm just sad that havo can't be man enough to do the same. When you fuck up you admit your mistakes. That is what a person with integrity would do.

[Mulch]

I mean we are at the point not known 15 is proving himself to be a much better player than you in these arguements

That’s the difference between NK 15 and you

My first game with NK15 he was as terrible as this

I have seen him improve dramatically into a decent player

You have been here for years and have been told every time why your play is bad

You shit on others every time
You aren’t sorry and won’t change

[Chumba]

Chumba I’m fine with playing with you again. Seriously, I have no ill will towards you because of this.

I can't play with a person with no integrity.

have a good life.

[Mulch]

Lies from VT's create confusion. That's all they create. If you're still alive at lylo after softing multiple times and you claim VT I'll lynch you every time.

I agree with this and I have prided myself on never lying. I can no longer claim I don't lie as town anymore because I was THAT sure havo was scum.

I fucked up, i admitted my mistakes already and keep doing it.

I'm just sad that havo can't be man enough to do the same. When you fuck up you admit your mistakes. That is what a person with integrity would do.

You haven’t admitted SHIT!!!

Even now you are blaming others for things that are your fault

You are blatant as day and not pulling anything over anyone

[Mulch]

Chumba I’m fine with playing with you again. Seriously, I have no ill will towards you because of this.

I can't play with a person with no integrity.

have a good life.

LOL

[Tchill13]

If I call someone good and they fail to meet those standards this particular time but they have before is that a lie?

[Chumba]

You can't justify your lie lol. It's never OK to soft anything as a VT.

that's false. i have seen VTs soft PRs to draw NKs. That is one of the things I have been told is an acceptable lie on this site.

I completely disagree with this but let's say I did.

Did you lie to draw out a NK? Why were you left till lylo?

I hinted at being a PR to finally end the 1 v 1 which should have been ended day 1. I was completely convinced havo was scum and didn't see any way outside of that tunnel and it needed to be resolved before mylo/lylo. I had convinced myself that with his flip, scum would kill me because I'd be confirmed town.

problem was he wasn't actually scum.

I was left alive because of the above, and because my reads were bad.

hmmm then why didn't you think one day before LYLO:"Why am I still alive"?

the one day before lylo was when we lynched havo. The next day was when we were in lylo and mass claim happened

[Havo]

Chumba I’m fine with playing with you again. Seriously, I have no ill will towards you because of this.

I can't play with a person with no integrity.

have a good life.

Your choice,

Thanks, that’s my plan.

[Chumba]

If I call someone good and they fail to meet those standards this particular time but they have before is that a lie?

go read the context again. he was saying I am better than to tunnel somebody.

anyone who has ever played with me knows I am not better than that. no matter how hard I try, I end up tunneling somebody.

he also lied about ethos. he said ethos said one thing when he said something else.

nobody sees my side of the story so whatever. i'll just sit alone knowing i was right deal with it.

[Not Known 15]

Mulch, please stop. I think it is enough that chumba saw that they played badly and said they will improve.
Chumba, please notice that it is also you playstyle that is under criticism here.
If you play like an asshole(which was your own definition of your play) then that disrupts town.

[Havo]

@Mulch.

On a side note,

When do you think is a good time for mass claim?

[Chumba]

Mulch, please stop. I think it is enough that chumba saw that they played badly and said they will improve.
Chumba, please notice that it is also you playstyle that is under criticism here.
If you play like an asshole(which was your own definition of your play) then that disrupts town.

I get it. I’ll try yet again go dial it back. I just see scummy behavior and push it. Would make it easier if people stopped doing scummy things

[Not Known 15]

nobody sees my side of the story so whatever. i'll just sit alone knowing i was right deal with it.

That's wrong. I agree with there being a logical disconnect between those two posts.
I agree that you were not the only one to blame(however, I blame you the most).
Just one thing... if you really end up tunnelling over and over again and it has no good results... If you know you are tunnelling take a deep breath and look at the evidence again if it is truly deserving this level of suspicion.

I get it. I’ll try yet again go dial it back. I just see scummy behavior and push it. Would make it easier if people stopped doing scummy things

That's unfortunately wishful thinking.

[Mulch]

@Mulch.

On a side note,

When do you think is a good time for mass claim?

Depends on the game

[Mulch]

Mulch, please stop. I think it is enough that chumba saw that they played badly and said they will improve.
Chumba, please notice that it is also you playstyle that is under criticism here.
If you play like an asshole(which was your own definition of your play) then that disrupts town.

They say this every game

They will NEVER improve

Don’t be naive

[Not Known 15]

I get it. I’ll try yet again go dial it back. I just see scummy behavior and push it. Would make it easier if people stopped doing scummy things

That's unfortunately wishful thinking.

(This was directed at people doing scummy things)

[Tchill13]

I don't see why you wouldn't mass claim the day before lylo every time.

[Mulch]

I don't see why you wouldn't mass claim the day before lylo every time.

There are some games where a day 1 massclaim are good lol


Some games...I think post lylo is good

[Chumba]

(however, I blame you the most).

and rightfully so. I don't know how many times I can apologize but i'll keep doing it.

I just wish others would admit their own mistakes instead of making me the sole scapegoat.

[Tchill13]

You're not the sole scapegoat.

How do you expect others to be able to play the game when you're demanding every situation you are in be handled immediately?

[Chumba]

I don't see why you wouldn't mass claim the day before lylo every time.

what's the point of a mass claim? scum can lie and you don't know who's telling the truth.

i have also seen town lose games due to what they think was a balanced setup.

take this game. sure tracker/doctor was the actual setup but it could have easily just been 2 masons and nothing else.

scum hunt > mass claims

[Tchill13]

I don't see why you wouldn't mass claim the day before lylo every time.

There are some games where a day 1 massclaim are good lol


Some games...I think post lylo is good

I would imagine this would involve setup speculation and I'm not too knowledgeable about that.