Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Mathdino]

I can't believe I'm doing this.

@mod: Request prod on Carrot and Stick.

Marangal/Not_Mafias relative silence since we came up with the night action plan has been deafening.

[acryon]

I think lynching A50 is likely lynching town, but we can still lynch him and go through with the plan I've made. That's still better than the double-day today plan.

[Momrangal]

It has.

I am not great (read terrible) with those kinds of stuff

[Not_Mafia]

I just wanna lynch Carrot

[Mathdino]

Not to mention even if we pretended that we will get ZERO helpful info from our PR's, we still are making more informed lynches in the 2nd scenario because we have more flips.

The fuck?

Literally all that's gonna happen is scum kill an investigative, we lose that result, and we have a townflip today.

WE STILL HAVE THAT TOWNFLIP TODAY IF WE DOUBLEDAY THOUGH.

Except you're wrong. N_M's slot is heavily in question, with many people scumreading him. How is him getting NK'd not a win for town decision-making?

You're acting like all of the PR's we have are conftown. They are not.

Then who would you lynch to for the best possibly of hitting scum?

Personally C&S or Beefster.

You either don't understand setup breaking or you're scum.

Look, the whole point of leaving those 5 alive is to force the potential scum in them to do the night actions they promised.

Say Beefster or mastina is scum. WHO CARES? They're going to block each other tonight, so they're not performing the nightkill unless they're literally the scumteam!

Say Not_Mafia is scum. WHO CARES? He's been assigned to detect Marangal (or Bujaber depending on how this goes). He either has to fake a guilty on one of them, or he potentially confirms and innocent. PLUS Kthx is already checking N_M!

They're not conftown, but scum roles can still be used to benefit town.

You're getting lynched 100% of the time if you try to lynch in {Beefster, C&S, N_M, Kthx, the worst} today. Pick any 2 outside of those 5.

[Mathdino]

I just wanna lynch Carrot

It has.

I am not great (read terrible) with those kinds of stuff

Can you guys just confirm that N_M targets Marangal and Marangal does nothing tonight?

Also votes on acryon would help here.

[Momrangal]

The issue I have with crayon is the fact that, if Mastina is scum then he's her designated mislynch. So far, has been pretty anti-town and has been making so many suboptimal choices.

If he's as good as people say he is, then more than likely those stumbles are more likely to come from town him. As scum, I feel like he would be a little bit more careful about stirring the mot after what had just happened yesterday

Pedit: I already said I wasn't planning on doing anything anyway

[Mathdino]

Marangal, it's also possible that he's faking badness because given the plans set in motion, he can't win.

[acryon]

Not to mention even if we pretended that we will get ZERO helpful info from our PR's, we still are making more informed lynches in the 2nd scenario because we have more flips.

The fuck?

Literally all that's gonna happen is scum kill an investigative, we lose that result, and we have a townflip today.

WE STILL HAVE THAT TOWNFLIP TODAY IF WE DOUBLEDAY THOUGH.

Except you're wrong. N_M's slot is heavily in question, with many people scumreading him. How is him getting NK'd not a win for town decision-making?

You're acting like all of the PR's we have are conftown. They are not.

Then who would you lynch to for the best possibly of hitting scum?

Personally C&S or Beefster.

You either don't understand setup breaking or you're scum.

Look, the whole point of leaving those 5 alive is to force the potential scum in them to do the night actions they promised.

Say Beefster or mastina is scum. WHO CARES? They're going to block each other tonight, so they're not performing the nightkill unless they're literally the scumteam!

Say Not_Mafia is scum. WHO CARES? He's been assigned to detect Marangal (or Bujaber depending on how this goes). He either has to fake a guilty on one of them, or he potentially confirms and innocent. PLUS Kthx is already checking N_M!

They're not conftown, but scum roles can still be used to benefit town.

You're getting lynched 100% of the time if you try to lynch in {Beefster, C&S, N_M, Kthx, the worst} today. Pick any 2 outside of those 5.

Like I said, I guess it is possible I am screwing this up. Never been in a game with near this many roles.

I am willing to admit I'm wrong about this, but I'm sure you can understand my hesitation when the proposed plan involves lynching someone I think is town followed by someone I know is town.

If we're lynching outside of those, I think BuJ and Mom are most likely scum, but that's more PoE than anything.

[acryon]

Marangal, it's also possible that he's faking badness because given the plans set in motion, he can't win.

My ego would appreciate this.

[Not_Mafia]

I'll follow the night plan but I'm not moving my vote from carrot

[Mathdino]

acryon, who's the scumteam?

[acryon]

acryon, who's the scumteam?

C&S, Beefster, BuJabar, fairly uncertain on BuJabar. I'd probably have a better 3rd, but the person who I thought fit the team (Kthx) I now consider to be strongly town, so my reads are admittedly a bit shaky today.

[BuJaber]

1. We don't need NM's vote; I'm fine with him just following the plan.

2. Acryon's plan is terrible. There is no way we are risking an ability as strong as IB's. Don't care how much protection we plan. Some people are lying about their roles I am not willing to find out who by seeing IB NK'd. PLUS HE CONFIRMS HIMSELF AS TOWN ALSO WITHOUT THE NEED TO GO TO THE NIGHT. That means next time we plan the night actions after the 2 flips we have even more information to plan the perfect night plan.

3. My lynch pool is {acryon/A50/Beef} - will wagon and hammer any of them.

Will be voting after we confirm double day is active.. or is it done during twilight?

[Mathdino]

Actually, this just confirms to me that acryon is scum with one of mastina and Beefster.

Consider that in that situation scum can literally just block whomever protects IB and kill IB anyway.

[acryon]

Does anyone have any experience with a role similar to IB's? I would guess it's town just by its mechanics, but is it explicitly so?

[Mathdino]

Actually, yeah, there's no universe in which acryon's plan checks out form his point of view.

If Beefster AND C&S are both scum (or even just one of them), then I'm literally the only protective, and they can easily both block me from protecting IB.

[Mathdino]

dear god man it doesn't matter

[acryon]

dear god man it doesn't matter

Why does it not matter? Again, you are treating a PR as conftown.

[acryon]

It'd be easier if we knew we actually

can

treat IB as conftown.

[Not_Mafia]

Is there a claim summary?

[Mathdino]

ACRYON DO YOU NOT REALISE THAT WITH YOUR PROPOSED SCUMTEAM

THERE IS NO WAY IB LIVES THROUGH THE NIGHT

[acryon]

ACRYON DO YOU NOT REALISE THAT WITH YOUR PROPOSED SCUMTEAM

THERE IS NO WAY IB LIVES THROUGH THE NIGHT

Except that the whole point of the night setup is that we

know

if someone doesn't play along.

[Mathdino]

acryon: 1-shot Gladiator
Almost50: X-shot Commuter
Beefster: Jailkeeper
Bujaber: Probably a Compulsive Visitor? Unclaimed
Carrot & Mastina: JOAT (Roleblocker, Rolecop, Doctor)
InfernoBrafin: 1-shot Double Daymaker
Kthxbye: Follower
Mathdino: Bodyguard
Marangal: Messenger
Not_Mafia: Motion Detector
the worst: Investigative

Iconeum: Backup JOAT
GoldenParadox: Hider

[Not_Mafia]

Is IB's a night action?