Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Almost50]

4. Yeah, that messes up the crossblocking of mastina/Beefster.
Recall that I made a list of potential candidates for the strongman. They are as follows:
acryon: Literally claimed Captain Strong
A50: Ascetic strongman is a role I've seen before.
Bujaber: Which would make him a lying liar
IB: Which would assume a crazy role so this is only lightly possible.
N_M: Meaning he's lying about motion detecting acryon.
the worst: Who is unclaimed.

DISCLAIMER: My response is NOT an attempt to shade/clear anybody. It is solely to show how irreversibly tunneled Mathdino is beyond the limits of any logic.

acryon: The guy has a proven role. You think his role card says Gladiator Strongman Cannibal Cross-Dresser??
A50: AND I HAVE SEEN A BACKUP ROLE WITHOUT THEIR BEING A LEADING ROLE FOR THEM To BACKUP.
Bujaber: And Scum are honest by definition. Right?
IB: Also this slot claimed a role that could be proven here and now.
N_M: Surprise surprise. Check my response to your BuJ comment.
the worst: And that clears him?

You are also accepting everyone else's claims, when in reality there are only 2 proven roles thus far: acryon's and kthxbye's.

[Mathdino]

acryon I think could be a 1-shot Gladiator Strongman, yes. It fits his flavourclaim better than it fits anyone else's.

All I've shown is that there must be scum in {acryon, A50, Bujaber, IB, N_M, the worst}.

So pick a narrative and stick to it. You're succumbing to the same flaws acryon is. You're attacking my general view of the gamestate without countering with a specific viewpoint.

Who's the strongman in that group then?

[Almost50]

Yes, scum are going to kill the person that is most likely getting lynched at some point this game.

Sensible, sensible.

FFS, when Mastina flips Scum I'm NEVER getting lynched. Only if she flips green should I be lynched, and that is where IB's role both gets proven and is put to use optimally. Scum!tina pretty much clears both myself and Beefster indefinitely.

[Mathdino]

@Mod: Is it possible that a backup JOAT would receive different abilities than a hypothetical original JOAT?

I prefer not to answer this question.

[Almost50]

Who's the strongman in that group then?

We don't KNOW there IS one. We also don't know there ISN'T. But if I had to pick one -using your logic- that must be me, so lynch away. GOOD LUCK!

[Mathdino]

So you're suggesting there isn't a strongman and that mastina roleblocked me, correct?

[acryon]

So you're suggesting there isn't a strongman and that mastina roleblocked me, correct?

I'm happy with this conclusion.

And again, your issue here, that A50 also pointed out, is that you are

continually

getting tunnel-visioned and treating players as confirmed. Why is that not a legitimate issue?

[Mathdino]

Under that conclusion, as long as we lynch scum, Beefster's jailkeep will tie up mastina tonight, and they won't be able to strongman kill.

Who am I tunnel-visioning? I've had a scumread on A50 for the majority of the game, and he's yet to do anything particularly pro-town or townreadable.

Who have I treated as confirmed town?

[Almost50]

So you're suggesting there isn't a strongman and that mastina roleblocked me, correct?

That is certainly a possibility.

[Mathdino]

acryon and Almost50 have no reasonable concrete views of the gamestate beyond "fuck mastina, she's scum".

And no night action plan for how to deal with the aftermath.

[acryon]

Under that conclusion, as long as we lynch scum, Beefster's jailkeep will tie up mastina tonight, and they won't be able to strongman kill.

Who am I tunnel-visioning? I've had a scumread on A50 for the majority of the game, and he's yet to do anything particularly pro-town or townreadable.

Who have I treated as confirmed town?

I would argue you're treating the majority of the players as confirmed town. You recognize the serious issues with Mastina yet refuse to vote there because ?

I think you are unfortunately getting caught up in the utility of each player's claim and letting that weigh your decision-making too much. A50 has a non-investigative/protective role and I have a (now) non-existent role, which is part of why you're more than happy to lynch either of us.

[acryon]

acryon and Almost50 have no reasonable concrete views of the gamestate beyond "fuck mastina, she's scum".

And no night action plan for how to deal with the aftermath.

And yours is to line up two lynches with no new information and cross your fingers, and then hope possible-scum cooperates with your night plan. Doesn't sound much better to me.

[Mathdino]

STOP TALKING IN GENERALITIES.

Point out the specific flaws in this plan or you have no legs to stand on.

Who SPECIFICALLY am I treating as confirmed town?

What SPECIFIC flaws does this create with the night plan?

[Almost50]

I've had a scumread on A50 for the majority of the game, and he's yet to do anything particularly pro-town or townreadable.

Check the first half of your statement. If you had a TR on me you would have seen that trying to bait the NK was the towniest thing anyone has done in this game thus far, but because you have a SR on me you're not seeing it that way.

Mate, take a step back and look at the game as if you were not playing in it. Review all events and try to come to an impartial conclusion.

[Mathdino]

The fuck have you done to try to bait the NK? You were a non-presence for basically all of D1. Why would scum have ever shot you over Iconeum?

[Almost50]

The fuck have you done to try to bait the NK? You were a non-presence for basically all of D1. Why would scum have ever shot you over Iconeum?

So, I both started strong and were non-present?? Anything else? Can I have extra cheese on that, please?

[Mathdino]

Quote the posts in which you were trying to bait the NK. Stop with the sarcasm.

[acryon]

STOP TALKING IN GENERALITIES.

Point out the specific flaws in this plan or you have no legs to stand on.

Who SPECIFICALLY am I treating as confirmed town?

Beefster, Mastina, Kthx, N_M, the worst. Beeftser and Mastina are the most egregious.

What SPECIFIC flaws does this create with the night plan?

If you believe at least one of Mastina/Beefster are scum, then this plan gets us no closer to figuring out which is which. If Mastina flips scum, it will clear Beefster. Otherwise you're going to be heading into a likely LyLo with 2 giant question marks you can't sort out. If we are going to essentially not use either of their roles anyway, why wouldn't we just lynch Mastina and actually

gain relevant information

?

we already practically know one of beefster and mastina is scum

of fucking course one of them is going to block me tonight

[Mathdino]

Re: Beefster/mastina: If we lynch one of them and that person flips town, nothing stops the remaining one from killing IB or an investigative. We may get a scum lynch tomorrow, but then we're back to square one. My goal is to prevent a NK altogether.

Re: Kthx: So you still think Kthx is scum?

Re: Not_Mafia: He's not confirmed town. In fact he's more than likely scum. That's why I'm having Kthx follow him tonight.

Re: the worst: You disagree with this townread?

[acryon]

Re: Kthx: So you still think Kthx is scum?

No.

Re: Not_Mafia: He's not confirmed town. In fact he's more than likely scum. That's why I'm having Kthx follow him tonight.

Probably agree here.

Re: the worst: You disagree with this townread?

No.

Re: Beefster/mastina: If we lynch one of them and that person flips town, nothing stops the remaining one from killing IB or an investigative. We may get a scum lynch tomorrow, but then we're back to square one. My goal is to prevent a NK altogether.

Conservative Plan for A50 scumflip

:

Mathdino guards the worst
mastina docs Kthxbye
Beefster jails Bujaber
the worst checks Marangal
Marangal messages the worst
Not_Mafia motion detects acryon
Kthxbye follows either Not_Mafia or Beefster

Alternative Plan (focused around stopping the kill)

:

Mathdino guards Kthxbye
Kthxbye follows Not_Mafia
mastina roleblocks Beefster
Beefster jails mastina
Not_Mafia motion detects Marangal
Marangal holsters
the worst checks Bujaber

Works in the case that mastina and Beefster can stop each other from performing factional kills (and also on the basis that mastina and Beefster are not literally the scumteam).

Thoughts?

Ok so I'm not sure at which point the plan got picked, but FWIW I fully endorse the conservative plan, and not the alternate plan. I think we

need

to be conservative, which has been my whole point. We can't afford to play cocky when we're this close to LyLo and the town is so far from agreement on most scumreads.

[BuJaber]

Btw BuJaber do you think your claim will add anything to the discussion
My understanding is you've basically claimed vt-esque role like compulsive visitor

A full claim doesn't help town. Assume I'm VT.

Yes, scum are going to kill the person that is most likely getting lynched at some point this game.

Sensible, sensible.

FFS, when Mastina flips Scum I'm NEVER getting lynched. Only if she flips green should I be lynched, and that is where IB's role both gets proven and is put to use optimally. Scum!tina pretty much clears both myself and Beefster indefinitely.

Did I forget a significant portion of the game? Because I don't see how those flips clear you.



NM, TW, MOM, IB, BEEF, MASTINA:

Are you willing to lynch A50?
If no, who needs to flip town before you can vote for them?
Are you willing to lynch acryon?
If no, who needs to flip town before you can vote for them?

pedit: Heh .. acryon could be distancing.
Yeah I'm going with acryon/beef/A50 or acryon/NM/A50

[BuJaber]

MD is 120% town. Acryon is 120% scum.

[Almost50]

Re: Beefster/mastina: If we lynch one of them and that person flips town, nothing stops the remaining one from

killing IB

or an investigative.[/b]

We may get a

scum lynch tomorrow

I thought the whole plan was to get TWO LYNCHES TODAY. That means IB's ability will be activated today, so why would they ever be shot tonight and why would you even care?

[Almost50]

MD is 120% town. Acryon is 120% scum.

Buj 240% should quit playing Mafia. *Nod*

[Mathdino]

I thought the whole plan was to get TWO LYNCHES TODAY. That means IB's ability will be activated today, so why would they ever be shot tonight and why would you even care?

acryon has been campaigning for not using the ability today, which you don't really seem to give a shit about. I'm partially responding to you guys as a unit, so I guess I mixed things up.

Lynching Beefster/mastina in sequence does nothing to prevent the nightkill tonight though. It's still unclear who the rest of the scum are in that situation, and the only abilities we have at night to help determine that are Kthx's Follower and N_M's Motion Detector, either of whom might be scum.

Yes, the goal is to get a scum lynch today, but lynching the scum in Beefster/mastina puts us in a very bad spot tomorrow.