Open 710: MKUltra - Foreign Spies Win!

[Alisae]

IN FACT
OMGUS will never catch scum, and the fact you seriously think it DOES catch scum proves that you are incompetent.

OMGUS is nothing but a word to continue allowing yourself to tunnel.
Screaming OMGUS allows you to hide behind words with little to no significant meaning when instead you could address my concern here:

When it comes to Icon, I would like to see why he thinks I'm the pigeon's partner, but I kinda just think he's scum for attempting to rush my lynch today. Like I kinda don't get why he's in such a hurry.

[Alisae]

man I never knew telling people that they're incompetent and that they're trash could be so god dam fun.

[Alisae]

Icon is probably not redscum considering the fact I kinda think his scumhunting for most of the game kinda just seems geared towards finding one scumteam and not two.
I don't think his thinking about the game in a way town would.

[Iconeum]

thank you for stopping the trolling.

HEY SPRING
HEY SPRING
HEY SPRING
STOP TROLLING
STOP TROLLING
STOP TROLLING

YOUR GARBAGE PLAY IS THE SAME AS TROLLING IF YOU'RE TOWN
STOP IT.

BTW, the mod shouldn't have tolerated you switching account like that, it's all least bad practice.

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Vote: Sesq

I haven't read the entirety of day 1 but I don't like much the mikan votes.

A)The speed of the Beefster wagon makes me think the RF lynch wasn't scumpiling;
B)Kop's iso reads as low key no content: with susp on mikan and tatl , but not enough that it looks like defensive NK. -> I guess the NK was targetting a possible low poster flying under the radar doc.
C)The Taetl iso looks like a bunch a crap I'm hard pressed to see the rhyme to that kill so won't speculated there.

> My conclusion so far is that mikan looks too juicy a target to be true and Sesq's vote isn't seemingly motivated by anything beside wagon?

Sesq: reads on all players of the game please.

This post contains nothing that is worthwile and adds to the game.
Not to mention her read on me is basicly "I'm too wolfy to be a wolf" and I don't really feel like they have a naturally formed read on me, it kinda just feels like they know I'm town.
This is a theme in their ISO btw.

Soo many words. Dear town can you make it easy for me to read you as town by cutting the bullshit and quote wars and so on out.

HEY LOOK. HEY LOOK.
YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT I SEE?
I SEE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T WANT TO READ POSTS.
I SEE SOMEONE WHO ISN'T READING THE GAME.
GUESS WHAT?
YOU'RE GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT WALLPOSTING?
YOU'RE GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT ALT SLIPS?
YOU'RE GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE GAME NOT BEING READABLE WHEN YOU ARE

MAKING 0 ATTEMPT TO READ THE GAME AND UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THE CONCLUSIONS THEY ARE COMING TO?

THEN GUESS WHAT
DON'T PLAY THE GAME IF YOU'RE GOING TO BITCH AND COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE POSTING.

WHY ARE PEOPLE VOTING MIKAN?
WHY ARE PEOPLE VOTING MIKAN?
IDK, HERE IS A SUGGESTION
IT'LL IMPROVE YOUR PLAY BY 10%.
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED MAKING AN ATTEMPT TO FIGURE OUT WHY PEOPLE ARE VOTING THE WAY THEY ARE?
OR ARE YOU JUST GOING TO BITCH AND COMPLAIN THE WHOLE GAME AND CONTINUE TO BE CLUELESS?

Soo many words. Dear town can you make it easy for me to read you as town by cutting the bullshit and quote wars and so on out.

I kinda want to unvote sesq just because it's easier to read. *sigh*

FOS Skitter for low content day 1 and lurkage now.

Mikan is

continued

Mikan is a town read for me, on account of Technical Difficulties post D1.

GIF, why are you voting Mikan?

Sorry um, lost my composure there for a bit.
Their anger about wallposting is probably coming from scum.
Their "I want to unvote sesq" seems lame and comes off as they are just forming reads on the spot.
their FoS on Skitter seems like they are just forming reads on the spot.
Spring is making no attempt to get a read on my own play because she knows I'm town.
Her asking GiF why he's voting me is just a repeated question that will never get a follow up.

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this is gonna be mostly shoot from the hip
[snip]

This post is a huge town read for me, for clarity, to the use of image to demonstrate a very valid point and so on.
So yes, why people are voting mikan again?


Gotta go, catching up more later.

Spring is making no attempt to get a read on my own play because she knows I'm town and this read doesn't advance the gamestate in any way.
Her asking why I am getting voted is just a repeated question that will never get a follow up. If she cared she would look into it herself.

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I didn't really have a read on Mumble. Spring's posts are really weird; I'm having a lot of trouble understanding how she's been coming to her conclusions. Spring/sesq probably isn't a thing. I don't really understand where her readlslist is coming from (especially the strong townread on Mikan)

I already answered to the Mikan slot. Mikan himself is not a townread of mine, but Technical Difficulties's #225 (IIRC) is a strong town read from my going through D1 and I'm sticking to it. I think perhaps people don't understand my reads because I replaced in and am not embroiled in tunnels of interactions. I think also people don't understand my read because I'm an old player and stuff that seem obvious to me do not seem so to you guys.

Beefster was quite obviously town to me just on account of the speed of his wagon. You better bet that, esp in multiball, there will be resistance to a wagon on scum. See my last game where I was scum and did belly dancing to avoid my

cop counterclaimed partner

being lynched, and it almost worked too.

What I really don't see is how you guys are reading Mikan as scum. Just go read 225. It's town all over.

BTW, this is actually a good post from skitter

BUT

it lacks a vote.
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VOTE COUNT

RedFlavor

(7) -

Kop

,

GuyInFreezer

,

Not_Mafia

,

Sesq

,

Beefster

,

Hawk

, Mikan Tsumiki

Not_Mafia

(2) -

Tatl and Tael

, Sky_Paladin

Beefster

(2) - Iconeum,

skitter30

Iconeum

(1) -

Mumble

Mikan Tsumiki

(1) -

RedFlavor

Not Voting:

A lynch has been achieved!

Night has ended.

Flip incoming.

VOTE COUNT

Beefster

(6) -

Not_Mafia

, Mikan Tsumiki, Sky_Paladin, Iconeum,

Aneninen

+

Sesq in #607

Sesq

(2) -

springlullaby

,

Beefster

Mikan Tsumiki

(1) -

GuyInFreezer

Not Voting:

skitter30

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

--> I kinda understand how Mikan's vote don't look good. But my town read on TD is really strong.
--> THe VCA and the Ane's flip throw a wrench in my townwagon D1 theory. Though I still can see another scum on there.
--> I can see GIF being townier and Sky paladin being scummier from the VCA.
--> Sesq's vote don't look good.


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Sesq, whereas I was scum I wouldn't see the point of your "gambit". Me being town just make me go wut about your reasoning. I have zero control over NK's so what you are saying is akin to me saying, "yeah sesq is scum who killed Aneninen to frame me by saying that I killed Aneninem to frame him"

That kind of logic is just bad and not townie and I don't know how people are not reading it as scum. Plus the casual jokes about who you are going to NK, it's just piling up.

Also, your vote on me has OMGUS voting all over it.

My yesterday's vote was more of a hunch but today you are flailing quite hard I believe. + Bad votes.

VOTE: SESQ

Updated read list

Scum:
Sesq
Sky
Icon

Null:
GIF
Skitter

Town:
Mikan

I'll think about fire and ice next.

Her read on me is extremely lacking in that its day 3 and there should be more then enough information to get a read off of my slot. It really doesn't feel like she's trying to sort my alignment here. And if her townread on me is so strong then it really doesn't feel like she's making any attempt to really defend my lynch, if anything it feels like she doesn't care if it goes through. Hence why I asked for a towncase, if she was town and thought I was town and had a strong townread on me, she would attempt to do everything in her power to make sure I am not the lynch today. However she's not doing that.

Her Skitter thoughts here is scum attempting to hold onto a read and doesn't come across as natural.
Her attempt at VCA honestly doesn't feel like she's making any attempt to scumhunt and form naturally formed reads.
Honestly her Sesq push honestly feels like its coming from scum.

Also her readlist is terrible and honestly just kinda feels like she's adjusting her reads as she goes.
I don't get the sense she's trying to form reads like at all, and she's probably WKing me for some kind of "towncred" that she's never going to get because no one cares.

Beefster: The things he thinks are scummy are actually fairly consistent, and his reads reevaluation reads genuine. I powerlynched Beefster literally last multiball game, and either he's actively making an effort to not play exactly the same, or he's just not scum here. Constantly changing trajectory heavily implies town. Not_Mafia vote is actively pro-town.

Nope, still not scummy. I think it looks like TD reviewed his case on Beefster (and everyone else for that matter) before replacing out. I don't think scum would have done that, why go to the trouble and put a target on themselves for potential inconsistency? What scum TD would have to gain from doing that? I think it's just a genuine read.
Why am I seemingly the only one seeing that?

My read stand.

Even though I don't particularly like Mikan's posting style. ^

Honestly the more they talk about one TD post instead of their posting overall and my posting overall makes me think she just knows I'm town, and the "I don't particularly like Mikan's posting style" bit kinda just seems like something she can use to vote me later on

Me putting pressure on you to stop the bullshit, make me protown, not scum.

LOL

[Alisae]

If you're trying to prove the point that I call people incompetent and make fun of them for stupid shit they say then yes.
This is something I am a professional at.

[Iconeum]

Funny how you are dismissing what I'm saying by acting like OMGUS was the case. I suppose it's the best play to do what you are doing: personal attacks to clutter up the thread and hide the fact that you are incapable and unwilling to dive into the actual content.

In fact, all you have done since you replaced your alt, which was not a pro-town move, is continue trolling with 1 difference: instead of roleplaying you are acting like a dick, continuously attacking players directly.

Not only is it poor behaviour for a player, it's not even game-related anymore.
I'd just policy lynch you at this point for ruining the game, if there weren't any actual scumreads on you.

[Alisae]

You should pick up a pair of glasses and read my posts instead of just saying "WAAAAAAH I'M BEING BULLIED WAAAAAH."

[Alisae]

Also as much as I like Policy Lynches
PLs never land on scum :3

[Alisae]

You should pick up a pair of glasses and read my posts instead of just saying "WAAAAAAH I'M BEING BULLIED WAAAAAH."

Like
I have concerns
I have things I am saying
I have arguements I am presenting.

But if you want to ignore all of those and say well,
This

Then thats fine,
Your stubbornness isn't town motivated though

[Iconeum]

@Mod playing on this account for now so repping out of Mikan to play on this.

Just for you
I would rep in and out and in just for you but I don't want to torture the mod she's my friend.

If you don't like it leave.

Oh whats that?
You have an opinion?
Here is my opinion about your opinion:
I don't care.

For all I care you're furniture.

You should pick up a pair of glasses and read my posts instead of just saying "WAAAAAAH I'M BEING BULLIED WAAAAAH."

Like
I have concerns
I have things I am saying
I have arguements I am presenting.

But if you want to ignore all of those and say well,
This

Then thats fine,
Your stubbornness isn't town motivated though

Such strong town motivation

[Alisae]

I don't think you get my message see.
You're trying to hold onto an excuse to try to keep your read on me.
You think I'm town
So you have a hard time attempting to fabricate a case on me.
So you're holding onto "I'm being bullied" as a method of keeping your read. That way you can maintain your vote and your read on me without having to actually present any logic.
AKA You're being stubborn. And THAT is not town motivated nor is it natural.

[Iconeum]

You should pick up a pair of glasses and read my posts instead of just saying "WAAAAAAH I'M BEING BULLIED WAAAAAH."

Like
I have concerns
I have things I am saying
I have arguements I am presenting.

But if you want to ignore all of those and say well,
This

Then thats fine,
Your stubbornness isn't town motivated though

You are turning around the facts here. I have concerns about you. You are deliberately going on the offensive because it's getting hot beneath those feet of yours. You are twisting and turning in every possible angle to show that 'OMGUS' was my point. It wasn't. There is no need to go on about this.

Make no mistake. I don't read you as town. I did have a hard time fabricating a case on you, that's exactly why I went back to reread and get help.
Am I less capable as a player because of this? Perhaps. Am I wrong because of this? Hell no.

The fact that you keep playing this personal shows just how incapable you are of refuting the actual points, and that's just a sad sad way of going about.

[Alisae]

I'm fully aware that OMGUS wasn't your point actually.
I just think its funny to make fun of and in fact I like to call people out for even saying the word.

I have concerns about YOU however you never addressed them.
I'm not saying you read me as town. I am saying you are scum that thinks I am town so they are going to hold onto whatever they can to maintain the read because you're arrogant.

Also why do you have to "fabricate a case" on me in the first place if you're town?

[Iconeum]

Ur my single biggest scumread and I failed to produce a presentable case on you, and I went back to get help in fabricating a case... so why wouldn't I?
I can't just wait hoping for someone to put it together for me...

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

Eh now that I think about it you probably interpreted the word fabricate with making things whereas I was using it as if you are trying to fake something.
No worries.

[Alisae]

Either way as much as I want to vote Icon, he's likely Icescum and as such, should not die today.

[skitter30]

And it felt kinda distance-y and posture-y since GIF had been loudly proclaiming a townread on NM - if he floats the idea that someone with a scumread on NM killed him, it kinda distances him from the kill.

I can only see NM kill as an attempt to xkill. Like, think about it for just a bit. Would killing NM for wifom reason worth it when there are others?

...You know what, I'll just come clean. I'm just mostly salty that even he get to eat a nightkill over me.

I mean, I don't disagree with the notion that he was probably an attempted cross-kill. However, I don't think I agree with the idea that scum who were thinking about cross-killing would have necessarily expressed a scumread in thread. I'm not saying that they *wouldn't*, so much as I think that 'attempting to cross-kill NM' isn't particularly correlated with 'expressing a scumread on him in-thread'.

And either way, I don't like the way you reacted to it since it felt like you were trying to distance from it.

Its being pushed, therefore it was probably a frame job.

Just because GIF is pushing it doesn't imply that he did the kill to frame you given multiball; I am seriously considering the possibility of ice-mafia-you and fire-mafia-gif.

In that scenario, you killed RC and are trying to brush it off as a frame attempt, and GIF saw that this was something he could push you with even though he had no involvement.

I'm not sure what you are referring to but to recap if isolated, I a)read TD as town, b) read Alisae as annoying, even more so with the putting forth of dumbs argument that I underlined.

I'm trying to separate the two not to get all my reads jumbled up because of dislike of the later's posting but Alisae is not protown, that much is clear. Though the sheer ego-ness, defensive over the top tone of the posts make me think more annoying than scum.

Sorry, I misread your post; I thought you were saying that they were being ego-y on purpose and that it was scummy.

So yeah I'm basicly sheeping this read at this point

Form your own reads based on your own conclusions.
Plus I can bring up multiple quotes where RC as said that he cannot read me reliably.

Can you eli5 why it's scummy for iconeum to be doing this? ie why he isn't just being lazy and/or inept town? (And more specifically why you think it points to him being ice-mafia in particular?)

man I never knew telling people that they're incompetent and that they're trash could be so god dam fun.

Can you not?

You think I'm town

I don't. By the time you replaced in, your slot was scummy cuz of TD, so that became my default read on the slot from that point on until/unless you do something to change that read. And since then, I don't think you've done anything particularly town-motivated. Or, more accurately, I think you're completely capable of faking the vaguely town-motivated things you've done - scumhunting today. (Especially given multiball)

(I call it 'vague' cuz I think that you're trying to look town today cuz you're actually in danger of being lynched. IE I think that the scumhunting is at least partially a survival tactic, as opposed to you just doing it cuz you want to find scum)

Also I don't like how you keep on arguing that people's scumreads on you are bad because they know you're town when it's

literally impossible for anyone to know that in multiball

[Sesq]

i fuckin love alisae posting, for one, i want it to continue

not so convinced ice should be our wagon for today

[Viomi]

VOTE COUNT

springlullaby

(2) - Sesq, GuyInFreezer

Alisae

(1) - Iconeum

GuyInFreezer

(1) - Alisae

Sesq

(1) - springlullaby

Not Voting:

skitter30, Sky_Paladin

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Tick tock... (expired on 2018-03-18 10:00:00)

Alisae replaces Mikan Tsumiki, I guess..?
GuyInFreezer is V/LA
Sky_Paladin has been prodded

[Alisae]

Ya know I thought I voted Spring but I guess I didn't.
VOTE: Spring

[springlullaby]

You know your wagon suck when there is literally nothing to respond to.

[Sky_Paladin]

Literally nobody responded to my 685 so I guess I'll TL;DR it.

Both Icon and GiF pushed away from a Hawk lynch mid-day 1. Icon specifically said he would rather a RedFlavor or Beefster (both have flipped green) lynch over Hawk.

At that time, Mikan/Alisae and Hawk were counter-voting. I find these three players the most likely Fire mafia candidates and really am only interested in lynching in here to reduce the night deaths.

GiF is my long time town read from way back, and I had some issues with Icon earlier on. Mikan was strong town for me but that has waned due to lack of content day 2/sudden appearance of activity when they are under threat.

Alisae's vote looks like a straight not-me-over-me which I can't argue with. But this is concerning -

springlullaby (2) - Sesq,

GuyInFreezer

Can somebody please clarify why Spring is scum (and if possible, fire mafia?). They are at L-1.

While I'm waiting, I'll back the third horse.

VOTE: Iconeum

[skitter30]

What do you guys think about the convo Hawk/GIF had starting around 272? Could it be between partners?

[Alisae]

sudden appearance of activity when they are under threat.

wrong I was going into the day planning on doing things when I finished umineko mostly because its day 3 and if we don't lynch scum today its pratically a town loss. Doing things and being active are things that I have clearly stated, so it just so happens to be that I was under thread at the time I started to do things.