Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Mathdino]

I'd be up for a Beefster lynch at this point from a pure setup spec standpoint. If a JK can't keep a strongman from killing and scum have a strongman AND a JK can't stop non killing actions from targeting them or their targets, it just doesn't make sense in this game.

If Beefster was scum, does that take away the idea of a strongman with what claims have come out?

Beefster is confirmed to have jailed Marangal N1, because her action didn't go through. He couldn't have jailed me in order to get to Iconeum.

Since mastina flipped town, that means scum is either

A. Strongman
B. Roleblocker
C. Asceticizer?
D. Alien???

C and D are longshots. It's more likely that scum just strongman killed Iconeum and mastina. If Beefster is scum (and if there's 3 scum), he's a strongman jailkeeper.

[Mathdino]

If you are BG and you BG me, I can clear you of all doubt. That is a bonus going forward for sure. I'm more than a little worried about scum killing CS and not you considering...

Again, BGing you does absolutely nothing, because if I'm scum, I'll just shoot you, and if scum have their strongman left, they'll ALSO shoot you through my protection.

My bodyguard is absolutely useless with the roles remaining. I should not be using it.

I believe I'm alive because my reads on the 3rd scum were shit. Tbh that heavily implicates the worst, but he can be lynched before LyLo if it comes to that.

[Not_Mafia]

I don't think we need you cleared

[Mathdino]

good call scumpartner

[Kthxbye]

did scum not kill you to simply make the rest of us (or me anyway) ask the question as to why? Your reads of the 3rd scum being shit or not, killing CS doesn't make any sense unless...

mastina blocks Beefster
Beefster jails mastina

This implicates Beefster....except it's been said that strongman is something scum have had for a long time. So, again, makes no sense to kill CS because if it's assumed there's a strongman, this negates the implication that Beefster is scum for the kill going through.

So.....

Even though your power is useless with a strongman in the mix, it doesn't matter if you holster it or use it so I can clear you. If I die from strongman, so be it. If NM is town, can can simply watch me to see who else visits me other than you and you are cleared and scum is caught caught. If nobody visits me, I will get a message saying you actually are our savior. It'd make me feel a lot better going forward.

[Kthxbye]

also, if scum kill you, you will have gotten your wish to die ASAP.

tbh, mom lynch here makes me the most comfortable.

VOTE: momrangal

[Mathdino]

did scum not kill you to simply make the rest of us (or me anyway) ask the question as to why? Your reads of the 3rd scum being shit or not, killing CS doesn't make any sense unless...

mastina blocks Beefster
Beefster jails mastina

This implicates Beefster....except it's been said that strongman is something scum have had for a long time. So, again, makes no sense to kill CS because if it's assumed there's a strongman, this negates the implication that Beefster is scum for the kill going through.

So.....

Even though your power is useless with a strongman in the mix, it doesn't matter if you holster it or use it so I can clear you. If I die from strongman, so be it. If NM is town, can can simply watch me to see who else visits me other than you and you are cleared and scum is caught caught. If nobody visits me, I will get a message saying you actually are our savior. It'd make me feel a lot better going forward.

the worst's investigative relies on me not performing a night action.

also, if scum kill you, you will have gotten your wish to die ASAP.

tbh, mom lynch here makes me the most comfortable.

VOTE: momrangal

The ONLY way Marangal is scum here is if Marangal/Not_Mafia is straight up the scumteam.

[Kthxbye]

the worst's investigative relies on me not performing a night action

How so?

[Mathdino]

I have no goddamn clue tbh

[Beefster]

Yup. I definitely JK'd mastina, so there is a strongman unless mastina's roleblock had priority over my jailkeep.

@Gamma: what's the resolution of a JK and a RB that target each other?

VOTE: BuJaber
Half sheeping Dino's gamesolve. Half I had some suspicions before anyway.

[Kthxbye]

@Gamma: what's the resolution of a JK and a RB that target each other?

Copy
Hide
Bus Drive
Block
Redirect
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect

I'm guessing that because a JK is both a block and a protect, that the block would happen first?

[Kthxbye]

Yup. I definitely JK'd mastina, so there is a strongman unless mastina's roleblock had priority over my jailkeep.

@Gamma: what's the resolution of a JK and a RB that target each other?

VOTE: BuJaber
Half sheeping Dino's gamesolve. Half I had some suspicions before anyway.

This whole post makes me uneasy....

[Mathdino]

I asked Gamma; in the case that a roleblocker and a jailkeeper targeted each other, neither would be able to perform a factional kill.

Obviously that doesn't answer whether the protection goes through, but we'll see.

Kthx are you definitively arguing that Marangal/Not_Mafia is the scumteam? Because if not, you should be voting Beefster or Bujaber here. I'm pretty confident Marangal is town.

[Kthxbye]

I have no goddamn clue tbh

So you'll target me tonight with your BG then for my own peace of mind?

pedit: This is the best I can give you right now.
UNVOTE:

[Beefster]

Yup. I definitely JK'd mastina, so there is a strongman unless mastina's roleblock had priority over my jailkeep.

@Gamma: what's the resolution of a JK and a RB that target each other?

VOTE: BuJaber
Half sheeping Dino's gamesolve. Half I had some suspicions before anyway.

This whole post makes me uneasy....

Understandably.

[Kthxbye]

You'd think hitting scum back to back would make me feel good about the state of this game....sadly, it does not.../sigh

[Mathdino]

Votecount 2.1

Kthxbye(5)

~ Beefster(20), acryon(12), Momrangal(58), Not_Mafia(44), Almost50(27)

Almost50(3)

~ Mathdino(49), Kthxbye(27), BuJaber(30)

acryon(1)

~ Carrot and Stick(43)


Not Voting (2): InfernoBrafin(6), the worst(14)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-03-18 14:15:00)

Beefster, acryon, Marangal, N_M, and A50 on here. Bujaber actually had the opportunity to hammer Kthx. So did I. And so did the worst.

We might actually have to lynch Beefster instead.

[Kthxbye]

I mean, RB is a perfect way to claim strongman...makes sense.

That said, a hammer on me at that point would have also been a scum claim so....not definitive.

[Kthxbye]

VOTE: Beefster

yeah, I'm good with this with the information we have.

[Kthxbye]

@MD: I just wanna say I'm sorry for asking you to prove yourself tonight for me. Your wagon history is beyond reproach. TBH, just take it as a compliment to how I see your MS skills that I could see you as being so bold as scum as to bus all your buddies and in fact lead their wagons to win the game for scum.

[Mathdino]

Okay so lemme think. Beefster is clearly the scummiest person by a mile in terms of play besides Not_Mafia, who has already been cleared. Problem is him being scum requires mafia jailkeeper, which is a bit iffy.

Not_Mafia and Marangal are either both town or are both scum (or there's 4 scum and someone other than the two of them did the nightkill). We could resolve that situation by lynching Marangal, who could've had some kind of investigative role that got blocked by Beefster (forcing her to come up with a messenger fakeclaim). If she's scum, lynching Not_Mafia wins the game. If she's town:

Beefster/Mathdino holster
the worst checks Beefster
Kthxbye checks Bujaber
Not_Mafia checks Mathdino

This actually works pretty well. Alternatively, if you guys are okay with me not being checked, we can just lynch Not_Mafia, keep Marangal alive, and I'll go ahead and guard Kthxbye.

[Kthxbye]

Okay so lemme think. Beefster is clearly the scummiest person by a mile in terms of play besides Not_Mafia, who has already been cleared. Problem is him being scum requires mafia jailkeeper, which is a bit iffy.

Not_Mafia and Marangal are either both town or are both scum (or there's 4 scum and someone other than the two of them did the nightkill). We could resolve that situation by lynching Marangal, who could've had some kind of investigative role that got blocked by Beefster (forcing her to come up with a messenger fakeclaim). If she's scum, lynching Not_Mafia wins the game. If she's town:

Beefster/Mathdino holster
the worst checks Beefster
Kthxbye checks Bujaber
Not_Mafia checks Mathdino

This actually works pretty well. Alternatively, if you guys are okay with me not being checked, we can just lynch Not_Mafia, keep Marangal alive, and I'll go ahead and guard Kthxbye.

First, Beefster could not be an RB at all. His "protected" targets have been killed. Who came up with the idea of RB in the first place? There may be no strongman and just him claiming RB as a false claim. Right?

Secondly, if we were to figure out if MOM/NM were the scum team, lynching a claimed messenger is by far much better than lynching a confirmed investigative.

[Mathdino]

Beefster confirmed blocked Marangals message sending on N1. So he definitely has the actual ability to roleblock. The problem is that still doesn't explain how Iconeum got shot.

[Kthxbye]

it's out of the question that Beef and Mom are the team?

[Kthxbye]

uhg...do we have a consolidated claimed action/resolution list somewhere? My head hurts.