Open 710: MKUltra - Foreign Spies Win!

[Alisae]

Dear Skitter:
I'm town and you're bad for not voting scum.

[skitter30]

/shrug

You can keep posting that but that won't do much to change my mind.

[Alisae]

What you are going under is a symptom
"I don't care abut the game anymore I just want my only real read dead because I am incapable of re-evaluating" syndrome.
Those flip town 100% of the time.

I am just having a hard time figuring out if its because you really don't want to vote for your partners, or because you're just being bad at the game (even if you're fire scum it helps to try to lynch Ice today over obvious town)

[skitter30]

"

I don't care abut the game anymore I just want my only real read dead because I am incapable of re-evaluating" syndrome.

Those flip town 100% of the time.

Yes, I think I just said that. I don't care about the game super much and I can't re-evaluate cuz I don't trust any of the people posting right now, and if I can't bounce ideas off of someone I can't re-evaluate.

The only thing I'm sure of is that your slot is scum. I'm not sure about much else.

I don't think that these sorts of reads flip town 100% of the time; they haven't in my experience. It's the only thing that I feel good about in this gamestate and I'm trying to use my read on you to figure out the rest of this mess.

And you are in no way obvious town.

[Alisae]

I am very obvious town.
You can't see it because you have "I don't care about the game anymore so I just want my only real read dead because I cannot re-evaluate" syndrome.
The fact you've tunneled me all game, points you me being town.

And yes, those sort of reads flip town 100% of the time.
It's what you do when you want to THROW the game.

[skitter30]

No, I don't think so. I really haven't seen *anything* townie from your slot tbh. And the fact that you got wagoned means you aren't exactly obvtown to everyone else either.

I see little reason to believe you telling me that given that I think you're just going to say whatever you think will get me to unvote / change the read.

And why are you telling me I'm throwing the game? If you think I'm scum tunneling on town .... isn't this exactly what I want to be doing? I can only be throwing the game by tunneling on town!you if I'm town.

[Sky_Paladin]

I don't think Alisae is obv-town, she is in my 'could be Fire mafia' list.

I don't really see a valid scenario of Skitter-Spring as buddies together, because I would have expected in that scenario, Skitter would have been more interested in when I pushed Icon for the lynch (or GiF, who is also in my list of picks for Fire mafia).

While I could see Skitter/Icon as Ice mafia team, neither of them are viable lynches at this point. I was hoping GiF would give me some insight into why Spring could be fire Mafia but he declined so maybe one of the others on that wagon (hint Alisae) could explain their vote for me. At this stage I'm not interested in hammering there.

Alisae, do you actually see scum!Skitter or are you just raging at Skitter's vote?

[Iconeum]

I don't think Alisae is obv-town, she is in my 'could be Fire mafia' list.

I don't really see a valid scenario of Skitter-Spring as buddies together, because I would have expected in that scenario, Skitter would have been more interested in when I pushed Icon for the lynch (or GiF, who is also in my list of picks for Fire mafia).

While I could see Skitter/Icon as Ice mafia team, neither of them are viable lynches at this point. I was hoping GiF would give me some insight into why Spring could be fire Mafia but he declined so maybe one of the others on that wagon (hint Alisae) could explain their vote for me. At this stage I'm not interested in hammering there.

Alisae, do you actually see scum!Skitter or are you just raging at Skitter's vote?

Switch your vote to Alisae, your current vote makes little sense. You want to lynch fire, you distrust Alisae, but she is on the same wagon.

[Iconeum]

What is town-motivated about Alisae play? Bashes everything and everyone that has a different opinion, not a single effort to try and get some form of town cohesion. Quite the opposite in fact.
I'm not calling spring town, but I am not voting where Alisae is.

[Sky_Paladin]

Sigh.

TBH I was concerned that if I voted Alisae, Spring would just not-me-over-me and hammer, and I was kind of hoping that Sesq's replacement would come in and have a fresh perspective.

But I agree Alisae's playstyle this phase has decayed to bashing others and she is in my red pool.

Voting alongside my scum reads X_____X

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Alisae

[Iconeum]

Sky_Paladin - scum / not with Mikan
Sesq - town
Mikan Tsumiki - scum / Most sure about this one, pretty sure partnered with aneninen based on ISO. If anyone cares I can go into further detail here.
skitter30 - not sure
GuyInFreezer - town
Springlullaby - not sure

Hey, I am/was scumreading you too man. But there have to be a few town here, who knows maybe we are both town.
Fact is that we both read Mikan as scum so let's start there.

[GuyInFreezer]

What is town-motivated about Alisae play? Bashes everything and everyone that has a different opinion, not a single effort to try and get some form of town cohesion. Quite the opposite in fact.
I'm not calling spring town, but I am not voting where Alisae is.

I don't think Alisae is a fire scum sooooo

[Iconeum]

Well, after you found Not_Mafia, Control Group half-dissolved in the kitchen sink

Yup this kill is the cheeky kill.

VOTE: Mikan

If anyone cares I can go into further detail here.

Please do.
Cos I see Sky as very strong potential partner of Mikan.

Spring could be redscum tbh
But the only reason I have for that was her comment on Kop death: it was kinda too descriptive

VOTE: spring

There isn't a whole lot of GiF pushing cases here, but you make your scumreads clear.
So you think it's Spring as red scum, then Mikan/Sky as blue?

If so, why is Sky voting with me on Mikan now?

[springlullaby]

@Spring

So I was looking at GiF's post just now because I was trying to figure out why if he was empty content posting and I noticed in your ISO that you had Mikan listed as your strong townread back in 647, 659 and actually pretty much every post since then.

What are you actually doing in 760/762?

Why are you voting Sesq and not (say) Icon or GiF?

Alisae's is getting on my paranoia since the logic is so bad. I asked questions to see if the slot can see the light with a clear head because, for me, when I read TD I still like.

Because Sesq is pretty scummy. Very low, scummy content, OMGUS on me, then replace out. Still my strongest scum read.
BTW I don't read Ico as less scummy now.

GIF what do you think of Alisae?

[springlullaby]

I am very obvious town.
You can't see it because you have "I don't care about the game anymore so I just want my only real read dead because I cannot re-evaluate" syndrome.
The fact you've tunneled me all game, points you me being town.

And yes, those sort of reads flip town 100% of the time.
It's what you do when you want to THROW the game.

Alisae, reality check, if you are town that is, even with my very strong town read, what you put forth in the thread makes me doubt you.

Answer the questions I aimed at you please. And keep in mind that we are not all adolescents here.

[springlullaby]

^strong town read on TD

[skitter30]

What is town-motivated about Alisae play? Bashes everything and everyone that has a different opinion, not a single effort to try and get some form of town cohesion. Quite the opposite in fact.
I'm not calling spring town, but I am not voting where Alisae is.

I don't think Alisae is a fire scum sooooo

Right, and the fact that you started off the day voting for them given that you don't think they're fire mafia is kinda bothering me.

[Alisae]

Switch your vote to Alisae, your current vote makes little sense. You want to lynch fire, you distrust Alisae, but she is on the same wagon.

[GuyInFreezer]

Right, and the fact that you started off the day voting for them given that you don't think they're fire mafia is kinda bothering me.

Inner sadist got too excited

[Alisae]

Some things to linger on for later:

1. Sky_Paladin is not a Red Mafia (Assuming that needle = red and KGB = blue)

Needle kill is Fire and KGB insignia is Ice.

If you think I shot RC, I am Ice since RC was shot by ice scum.
If you think I am fire scum, I did not kill RC.

[GuyInFreezer]

I never thought of you as fire scum ever

[Alisae]

People think I am Fire scum.
People ALSO think I shot RC.
Those things both cannot co-exist in the same game.

If you think I am ICE scum and shot RC Whatever.

[GuyInFreezer]

I have a very reaching tinfoil theory of Sky/Mikan blueteam.
How far should I speculate this?

[springlullaby]

Gif, of you think something you want to speculate about you have to explain your reasonning not drop one liners that doesn't say anyyhing to test the water?

[skitter30]

I have a very reaching tinfoil theory of Sky/Mikan blueteam.
How far should I speculate this?

I'd be very interested in hearing about this theory.