In post 231, Shining Dreamers wrote:Sorry, but no. (Consider this also a response to bee's content prior to this. All of it.)
Btw as indicated--I can push this stronger if need be, I am recording stuff in a PT the mod provided, but I'll be trying to keep my posting to a minimum in this thread. So I'm only responding to the most important of things publicly.
This qualifies.
I like this post from Mastina here. It's direct and takes a stance early. Similar to the claim stuff before. It just feels genuine.
In post 234, Shining Dreamers wrote:So they're gonna find out when I post my final readslist anyway, but Reasonably Rational is in my scum list already. (I'M SORRY.)
This has many caveats to it--I am giving you my word that unless something of absolute dire consequence comes up or Yume specifically asks me to (if Yume wants to push them, then I will of course help her out <3), I'm not going to actually push that before D3 at the absolute earliest (with even D3 probably being too soon). The scumread is not rock-solid; it is barely above average in strength. It is subject to change and I consider Reasonably Rational to be a self-sorting slot akin to Creature.
They just take much, much, much longer to get to that stage. I know damn good and well not to trust a scumread like this so early on, that it very well can (and probably will) reverse. And while I do expect to die during the night, I don't expect it to be immediately, so I can afford to wait on this. To put it another way--I won't lie and say I townread them, but I will still work with them actively as possible and come to my own conclusions later on. Though the read is technically scum, I am going to treat them as if town and give them that reads pass more or less for about (preferably slightly over) half the game.
(You CAN read them correctly before then...it's just that it's much, much harder and both Drixx and I at the very least don't want the grief of me trying regardless of his alignment. It gets UGLY when I am vocal about scumreading him. I mean it's ugly for me to scumread him REGARDLESS since me being subtle about it doesn't do much to lessen how shitty it is...but however bad scumreading him in the background might be, doing so in the foreground is ten times worse.)
SO WITH THAT SAID.
You can go ahead and trust them...
...But don't trust them to be town fully until they have the resume actually supporting it.
They absolutely don't have that yet. I honestly don't think it's possible for them to have it before D2 because before D2 there's no definitive information to tell you what is and is not town. Only assumptions. And given that Reasonably Rational is just about the most powertown hydra in existence regardless of whether they are town or scum...on D1, assumptions will always point those not more in the know to them being town.
tl;dr version: Please don't be mad at me, Drixx. I'm giving you a LOT of leeway here. A LOT. I just can't afford to give you unlimited sway because Cerb's play has been such where you aren't in the zone where I can. My read is what my read is and right now that read is not a positive one, so I advise others to take caution in having one prematurely.
I see a lot of genuineness here in trying to townread Drixx. However at the same time, I think either you're right or you're having a self realization that you scumread Drixx every game he's in. I have a tendency to over town read the slot. I'm trying to figure out which. So the truth is one of us and I kinda wanna figure out which.
In post 236, Shining Dreamers wrote: In post 88, Maid Cafe wrote:I am going to claim something I prolly should have approached subtly but it heavily helps the town to target us with actions that grants our slots abilities/items/whatever you wanna call it. When we gain an ability as a result of another player/Creature's spell or ability (which is all actions) we will "power up", well not exactly but I don't really want to claim that part. But essentially just give us free stuff since it's more cost effective then giving other players stuff in a pretty meaningful way.
~B
I am fairly certain this is a >random scum ability.
Not just from a game design perspective, but from a Varsoon game design perspective.
It's the kind which
could
come from town, admittedly, yes. But it is still far >random odds of being a scum ability.
Claiming it openly does nothing to lessen that.
I kinda find it weird there's a rash of claims after I said my reaction to yours. I fully believe scum would have had time to plan for some of the later ones and the act of claiming for those is NAI. Same with the abilities itself because Varsoon game. Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy if the Beeboy slot was scum because that would explain the frustrations earlier but I just don't think that's the case. I think that based on others Beeboy is town, but if we get off track, the slot is worth revisiting.
In post 238, Shining Dreamers wrote:I state what I deem I need to--nothing more. Revealing the information I saw as giving no benefit with potential harm; holstering the information I saw as doing no harm but being potentially helpful.
Well given V's interpretation of my role is different from what mine was when I claimed...it wasn't.
Buuuuuuuuuuut, aside from that technicality: the claim in question is factual because scumastina doesn't make (deliberately) non-factual claims. (And for that matter is less likely to accidentally make a non-factual claim.) You have played with me often enough to be well aware of this. I've no interest in rambling on my mafia philosophy on why I hold this stance, but there's no need to; there are multiple individuals in this game who can vouch for it, and you SHOULD be among them.
No prizes for what I think of your content thusfar.
I think while this post seems to be "fillery" it adds a lot of content. I think this post is written both by Mastina and Yume and kinda speaks towards what I'm feeling. Like if Mastina is scum I don't mind actually losing to her because I'd have been fooled. I just want to get to a point of synergy. The pair are tying themselves to me in a really obvious way. In mastina's scum games that I've read I don't see that being the case.
In post 232, Shining Dreamers wrote: You're the me this game!
...Except you'll actually be nightkilled rather than be taken to 3p lylo.
(That being said, I anticipate being dead before lylo this game, not by lynch.)
If the talk is about a bee scumread, I am all down for it. bee's not my only scumread and isn't my strongest scumread, but I'll only be sharing the final readslist I have when caught up. (The others you'll just have to wait until postgame to read the PT to see.)
I like what the slot did here because it shows a desire to synergize and drive at the same time. I kinda wanna push Taly because of this, yet at the same time Taly feels town and scum at the same time and it's messing with my head. I usually get a "vibe" of the thread and I feel like there's some major discord and I can't figure out fucking why. I think I might want to see how Skybird responds to the thread.
In post 237, Shining Dreamers wrote: In post 89, Maid Cafe wrote: In post 87, OnTheMark wrote:The reason I say that is people will make assumptions based on their role PMs. This is a Varsoon game. That means heads out of mechanics and eyes on the prize lynching scum.
How do you say this stuff and town read mastina for having a role.
~B
How do you say this stuff and yet post post
88?
You're not the only player to point this out about Beeboy? How do you feel about the other players making this point? Are they sheeps or town? Why?
In post 242, Shining Dreamers wrote: In post 207, Chara wrote:like this isn't AI. maybe it is but i wouldn't know how to look at it. i hate reading it, not because it's noise (i really don't care about noise), but because i can see what both of you are trying to say. but there's no clear communication, just a series of misinterpretations. that's why it's taking pages and pages to explain simple things on, now, both fronts.
I am of the opinion this is deliberate on the part of bee.
More bee talk. I wish you'd talk more about the people you scumread more.
In post 243, Shining Dreamers wrote:Chara
OnTheMark (CAVEAT: if I know his identity this is a much weaker townread because my ability to read him is shit and in actuality bee's raised points mirror many of my own concerns)
Iconeum
Bronya Zaychik
Tibor and Lumia
Baku and Munna
Dunnstral
SnarkySnowman
Almost50
Venmar
Micc
Taly
Reasonably Rational (CAVEAT: IS EFFECTIVELY LYNCH-IMMUNE BEFORE D3)
Maid Cafe
Skybird
(ABSENT: Creature deliberately removed.)
Final readslist.
To try to make this more brief I'm going to just say that MOST of this I agree with. However, I have a hard time agreeing with anyone being lynch proof barring IC. That being said I can see if you're trying to work with Drixx that you won't push him before D3. I think that if a wagon forms without you pushing and is majority townreads, I don't think the lynchproof should hold.
In post 403, Shining Dreamers wrote:Oh.
Meant to.
For clarity--powertown is something I consider to be "greater than protown" in this context.
But I did in fact mean powertown.
As in, something beyond protown, into powertown territory.
I like how this was just an "oops" and fixed it and wasn't a big hubba loo.
) Creature has a very alignment indicative posting style / meta; he is incapable of playing scum and will therefore lurk when he gets that alignment. He is in fact doing the opposite of lurking in this game, and that cements him as town. Reasonably Rational I'm going off mainly on tone, they seem town on a deep level; I don't feel that many players beyond the most gifted at scum are able to fake what he has posted so far in the game, and it has only been 16 pages!
You can be in the town block. <3