Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Archwing]

Great generic answer.

What do you propose we do to get through this day then?

[Bulbazak]

Well, I'm doing ISO dives when I'm at work. I don't know what you're doing.

[Archwing]

Arguing with you about a mass claim, currently.

[Bulbazak]

I can't remember if you do much meta, but if so, my stance really shouldn't be surprising. I'm not dig my heels in stubborn like I used to be, but I still would prefer not to do so.

[Archwing]

I stated when I came into this game that I wasn't going to re read. That should be pretty indicative of whether or not I do meta dives too. I literally got no clue who you are.. This is my only exposure to you.

And right now I think you're town.

Can you say you hold this stance as vt, pr, or scum?

[Bulbazak]

It's universal. I used to be staunchly against, but I've kinda loosened up, where I'll go along if the majority agrees. I still think it's a bad idea more times than not, and especially here, where we think there are very few PRs left.

Side note: What did you think of Dunker's read list?

[Archwing]

It was garbage.

[Archwing]

Literally no basis. No content. No support. Just shit thrown at a wall

[Bulbazak]

I found the order interesting. Especially when you consider who is most to least suspected. With the exception of you, it's a list that shows who is most likely to be wagoned.

[Archwing]

You think Deas gets wagoned over radja?

[Bulbazak]

I think Deas gets more attention than Radja.

[Bulbazak]

Regardless, I don't understand the Radja/Deas team thought, and that needs to be explained.

[Bulbazak]

Hopefully I can finish ISOs tomorrow. Then I won't feel like I'm holding so many things close to my chest.

[Bins]

it gives a bunch of information to town as well that i think we need rn

[Bins]

i think i strongly prefer lynching Radja to DV just based on smocaine and Chess re:LLD

[Bulbazak]

it gives a bunch of information to town as well that i think we need rn

And what information is that? And how is it better now than in a Lylo situation? If it's to get conf. towns, maybe that works, but the same issues in a Lylo situation are actually still present today. And you're getting conf. towns to maybe sacrifice them tomorrow, with any other additional information they could have brought with them.

If you don't see any other way, then fine, push for it. But I still think this can be PoE'd.

[Bins]

If someone tells you they're a cop or a doctor tomorrow and someone else CC's we could lose the game because I wouldn't know who to pick and scum are much better of in that situation in LYLO

[DeasVail]

Hey hey hey Bins, to the best of your ability, I'd like a brief rundown of your thought process on Radja from mid-late Day 3 when you dropped the scumread to now where you seem to have him as your maybe sort of top scumread.

[DeasVail]

Bulba, there are some things I am concerned about!

In 3625 (and then 3628 you have a pretty strong reaction to Dunker's approach to the xyzzy wagon in that you seemingly lose interest in lynching xyzzy altogether. It seemed a bit OTT to me at the time, but I could mostly relate to it. I was pretty concerned about the general "I think someone else is scum but xyzzy is the lynch I guesssss" approach taken by a lot of people in the game as well. But I've looked again over your late Day 3 posts and I'm worried. In 3632, you mention not wanting to lynch xyzzy but it's become a weaker stance, and you mention the possibility of Titus/other person talking you out of it, which is a bit ?.

But the main thing I'm worried about it is the lack of attempt to really push anything else. You've been around long enough to know that when people have seemingly settled on a lynch, it will take a strong push to change it. I can only think of how we had similar attitudes to the xyzzy lynch, but completely different approaches, and I worry that you are scum who wanted to act like you didn't like the xyzzy lynch for brownie points (which would have worked given Mina's response to it), while not doing anything that would actually give the lynch a chance at changing.

[DeasVail]

(I don't intend that gif to look as mean as it does, but I would like a response to this and couldn't think of anything better than "please explain", and then I thought of Pauline Hanson, and now I realise that with none of you being Australian it probably wouldn't even be funny to anyone!)

[DeasVail]

Also Archwing, you seem a lot more actively involved in the short time that it's been Day 4 than you were following my replace in on Day 3. What's up?

[DeasVail]

Also Dunker, I would like a brief but punchy answer to this question:

Why am I scum?

[Keychain]

why isn’t keychain dying
keychain why aren’t u dying

because scum have no hearts and refuse to have mercy on me ;-;
or because my reads are shit.

Reads from the three NKed players

A50

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Spoiler: Relevant quotes

A50, am I on a shitty train of thought with Bins/LLD/Radja idea?

Nope. So far it still makes perfect sense for the trio to be scum together, and I didn't want to affect your reads before, but I'm glad you came around on Elena.

Other than your 3, I'm not sure about CDB, Aeronaut, T-bone & CK (but T-bone & CK are like last resorts. Like, if we mislynch and then get a clear on another one of the main suspects.. maybe then).

Oh, and Dunker. I'm not 100% on him either. I know he can do better than this, but I don't explicitly SR him either.

My strongest SR remains Bins though, and she's not even trying. Like, I would expect Town!Bins to be overly noisy, and especially while we are waiting for Titus/Fitz to catch up, so we have all the time for her to Town!case herself or show some genuine Scumhunting, but she seems to have basically given up.

After careful consideration, Bins is unlikely to be Scum in this game. Still possible, but unlikely.

@Math: If Titus ain't scum HERE, then I'm calling Fitz/Chesskid/Elena for the scum team in this game.

As best I can tell, his scumreads who are still alive were Radja, DeasVail and Bins.

T-Bone

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Spoiler:

Could try chesskid or Titus or....sigh Radja

vote:Radja

It looks like his viable lynches were chess and Radja.

Mina

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Spoiler:

Dunkerdoodles, when did I become locktown?

I've been feeling good about Archwing being town after rereading the early game today. Aaaaaand I've been feeling like Bulbazak's paranoia around deadline is also very town!

And now I'm also feeling a lot better about Dunkerdoodles, so {xyzzy, DV, Bins} may actually be my pool. I'll need to do lots of rereading and ISOing past games tomorrow, though.

DV and Bins were her most recent pool.


From this, I think I'd like to lynch in {DV, Radja, Bins} today, with that being my order of preference, with the assumption that at least one of the NKs was made because of someone having good reads.

[DeasVail]

I have more thoughts but there are still some things I need to look into and what Keychain has raised in the above is something I hadn’t considered (as I wasn’t really strongly considering either of Radja or Bins as scum). I can see why T-Bone and Mima could have been killed regardless of their reads, but was there a good reason for the Almost50 kill apart from his reads? I have no idea personally.

[Bins]

No idea why A50 was killed.

And Keychain, I agree with Radja/DV. But I think Radja should go first, only because DV-slot has so much nonsense around it that should make it town.


And DV, I flipped on Radja because I was doing ISOs and a lot of Radja had said was town. But it’s all fakeable. I think a team of Reck, Shea, etc. are totally capable in helping Radja fake reads and fake discord logs. He used Recks reads to avoid LLD-wagon, for example. He’s not really done anything town beyond what he’s capable of scum.

This is sort of opposite of Chesskid. His “LLD wagon is lazy” seems like what I was doing with LLD. Smocaine was vote parking LLD, but I mean I’ve played with scum buddies that death tunneled me lazily. It’s just less likely, I think.