VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Chara]

i'm saying that beeboy hasn't posted since 237, so he hasn't ignored anything.

wait, he totally has now. i don't think he had by the first time i called that out, though. but god do i really not care anymore.

[Chara]

anyway. this next one's for you, Almost.

[Chara]

historically, a scum lynch on day 1 is actually worse for town. sometimes, it can work out wonderfully despite that. but for the most part, i'd call it bad. Maki knows what i mean.

therefore, seeing as my role powers up on town deaths, and a day 1 scum lynch is bad for town, i propose we collectively agree to lynch town. i know it sounds silly, but it makes sense. i hate seeing town do well on the first day only to tank every other.

VOTE: Mark

[Iconeum]

historically, a scum lynch on day 1 is actually worse for town. sometimes, it can work out wonderfully despite that. but for the most part, i'd call it bad. Maki knows what i mean.

therefore, seeing as my role powers up on town deaths, and a day 1 scum lynch is bad for town, i propose we collectively agree to lynch town. i know it sounds silly, but it makes sense. i hate seeing town do well on the first day only to tank every other.

VOTE: Mark

Ugh. I had a similar discussion about the 'benefits' of not lynching scum D1, but to

actively

lynch town is counterproductive.
While I don't disagree with the theorie behind this, I believe it's a stronger play to persue the scumhunt and lynch accordingly.

[Chara]

if you agree with the theory, then actively lynching scum is counterproductive.

[Tibor and Lumia]

historically, a scum lynch on day 1 is actually worse for town. sometimes, it can work out wonderfully despite that. but for the most part, i'd call it bad. Maki knows what i mean.

therefore, seeing as my role powers up on town deaths, and a day 1 scum lynch is bad for town, i propose we collectively agree to lynch town. i know it sounds silly, but it makes sense. i hate seeing town do well on the first day only to tank every other.

VOTE: Mark

How is a day 1 scum lynch bad for town? Please explain the theory, since I have never personally heard this one.

-Tibor

[Chara]

if you look at games where scum is lynched on day 1, it often ends with a string of town lynches based on false associatives off of only one day of seeing that scum's interactions with their buddies. people downplay the value of information off of a town lynch, and overstate the information off of a scum lynch after only one day (as opposed to over two days, where it's more valuable.)
town also tends to relax after their first "victory" and either get overconfident, or lazy.

[Maid Cafe]

Chara I agree with your theory but its kinda flawed since it doesnt really work when you are aware of it.
Like a policy lynch wont help town, a well structured and discussed lynch even on town is generally a lot more pro town then actually lynching scum day 1. I agree with your theory but it doesnt work as a goal.

~B

[Iconeum]

hey, this argument is pointless, can we nix it. you're talking around each other. Mark's underlined bit means investigative roles to them, and his logic on this has been consistent. i don't think any more semantics are going to help.

I am going to claim something I prolly should have approached subtly but it heavily helps the town to target us with actions that grants our slots abilities/items/whatever you wanna call it. When we gain an ability as a result of another player/Creature's spell or ability (which is all actions) we will "power up", well not exactly but I don't really want to claim that part. But essentially just give us free stuff since it's more cost effective then giving other players stuff in a pretty meaningful way.
~B

I am fairly certain this is a >random scum ability.

Not just from a game design perspective, but from a Varsoon game design perspective.

It's the kind which

could

come from town, admittedly, yes. But it is still far >random odds of being a scum ability.

Claiming it openly does nothing to lessen that.

are people incapable of reading game mechanics?

ok so preliminary reads. I reckon Maid Cafe is town. i was agreeing to a large extent on their push on Mark. gonna put mark as a scumlean for now.
however, i am more confident in my scumlean on chara. they are townsignalling without actually generating any content. Seems like a better LAMIST.
RR is already a townread but i put very little stock in that bc i always tr them
venmar is a townlean, i respect the shitpost.
those were my main opinions on what I've read so far, will confer with Shiro before going more in depth.

Has this read evolved? Can you show what parts about the push on Mark you actually liked?
I feel Chara has made positive content, so I don't see the LAMIST part.

[Maid Cafe]

These last few pages were literal garbage btw and I stopped reading them.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

The reason I say that is people will make assumptions based on their role PMs. This is a Varsoon game. That means heads out of mechanics and eyes on the prize lynching scum.

How do you say this stuff and town read mastina for having a role.
~B

How do you say this stuff and yet post post 88?

I have by no means suggested I should be town read for that post so not really the same.

Also I didnt want to reply to that since I saw it as a jab and not a question.

~B

[Shining Dreamers]

Chekhov's gun.

[Bronya Zaychik]

@On The Mark, Are Rubicon and Sloth still on DLP? What was your favorite game and role there?

~Titus

[OnTheMark]

historically, a scum lynch on day 1 is actually worse for town. sometimes, it can work out wonderfully despite that. but for the most part, i'd call it bad. Maki knows what i mean.

therefore, seeing as my role powers up on town deaths, and a day 1 scum lynch is bad for town, i propose we collectively agree to lynch town. i know it sounds silly, but it makes sense. i hate seeing town do well on the first day only to tank every other.

VOTE: Mark

This is a problem to address if it comes up not before. I have seen town sweep games. Should the problem you mention occur then reexamining the townblock would need to happen.

Although I think at this point it’s a joke thing or a mana thing.

[OnTheMark]

@On The Mark, Are Rubicon and Sloth still on DLP? What was your favorite game and role there?

~Titus

I can check the site to see if their usernames are there if you want but I am alting for reasons I said before so answering specific questions about whether/if I have played there and how is not something I want to do. I used DLP for research.

[Venmar]

historically, a scum lynch on day 1 is actually worse for town. sometimes, it can work out wonderfully despite that. but for the most part, i'd call it bad. Maki knows what i mean.

therefore, seeing as my role powers up on town deaths, and a day 1 scum lynch is bad for town, i propose we collectively agree to lynch town. i know it sounds silly, but it makes sense. i hate seeing town do well on the first day only to tank every other.

VOTE: Mark

How is a day 1 scum lynch bad for town? Please explain the theory, since I have never personally heard this one.

-Tibor

vote: Tibor

[Venmar]

^ that's a knee-jerk scum reaction to chara's theory if i've ever seen one

[Chara]

i don't support alt-outing, even if Mark keeps referencing meta. (including not liking my playstyle. how rude! :>)

pedit: what do you think of my theory, Venmar?

[Venmar]

it's the first time i've heard of the theory, pretty null on it, more interested in the reactions to it. i honestly thinks it's kind of silly and we should just lynch productively and naturally to what the gamestate demands, but it's not like i haven't seen wackier theories have some merit.

[OnTheMark]

it's the first time i've heard of the theory, pretty null on it, more interested in the reactions to it. i honestly thinks it's kind of silly and we should just lynch productively and naturally to what the gamestate demands, but it's not like i haven't seen wackier theories have some merit.

Interesting. Why did you try to form a wagon on yourself if you think wagons should form naturally?

[Reasonably Rational]

it's the first time i've heard of the theory, pretty null on it, more interested in the reactions to it. i honestly thinks it's kind of silly and we should just lynch productively and naturally to what the gamestate demands, but it's not like i haven't seen wackier theories have some merit.

Interesting. Why did you try to form a wagon on yourself if you think wagons should form naturally?

Seconded.

Also, that whole theory thing is, as someone else said, simply something to keep in mind when town lynches scum D1, not a reason to deliberately try to lynch town.

Also also another thing, but I wanna wait and see what everybody else has to say before I bring it up. <3

-cerb

[Venmar]

i don't think me pursuing a wagon on me is natural at all actually. i think

from my pov

a wagon on me falls under the "productive" category.

[Chara]

i did mention that a wagon on town is also productive, for me.

[OnTheMark]

i don't think me pursuing a wagon on me is natural at all actually. i think

from my pov

a wagon on me falls under the "productive" category.

So then what is the difference between a forced wagon on you and a forced wagon on me?

Both still have “reactions” to the imho silly idea.

What makes a wagon on you productive versus a wagon on me not be?

I think neither are productive.

[Venmar]

i think you're wanting to draw conclusions from places that don't have them lol. a wagon on me in this case is productive only from my pov so i don't expect it to look like so to you from yours. a wagon on you is productive if the people pushing it think you're scum. a wagon on town can be productive from chara's pov. simple as that, nowhere in #493 did i specify that being "productive" or "natural" has to mean the lynch is on scum.

why do you think i am forcing a wagon on myself, which i no longer am? do you consider me and only me voting myself a wagon and "forced"?