VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Bronya Zaychik]

This is far too early for VCA.

Let's let things develop. We need wagons with actual lynch threat.

~Titus

[OnTheMark]

i think you're wanting to draw conclusions from places that don't have them lol. a wagon on me in this case is productive only from my pov so i don't expect it to look like so to you from yours. a wagon on you is productive if the people pushing it think you're scum. a wagon on town can be productive from chara's pov. simple as that, nowhere in #493 did i specify that being "productive" or "natural" has to mean the lynch is on scum.

why do you think i am forcing a wagon on myself, which i no longer am? do you consider me and only me voting myself a wagon and "forced"?

Because it isn’t something the whole group could use.

Imagine if a player claimed they get mana from lynching an IC?
If town then they probably tell the truth.
If scum then they are probably lying to remove the IC.

Either way a vital part of the town is inherently gone. And at that point you’re playing more mechanics than mafia. Right now we have no evidence or rational foundation in which to springboard from and so we need more of the undercurrent to find scum rather than mechanics or lol based posturing.

[OnTheMark]

This is far too early for VCA.

Let's let things develop. We need wagons with actual lynch threat.

~Titus

Om we agree. Can I have my puppy?

[Maid Cafe]

I don't think role pms that were made before people's alignments work that way.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I don't really think we should try and solve this game from a role/role usage POV, especially day 1.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

This game was literally advertised as.
"You may leave this game thinking it was bastard"

~B

[Maid Cafe]

@everyone also important note, if you have the ability to kill another player please opt to use another card if possible.
There are 8 planes to see across 8 days and I want to visit all of them.

~B

[Bronya Zaychik]

This is far too early for VCA.

Let's let things develop. We need wagons with actual lynch threat.

~Titus

Om we agree. Can I have my puppy?

You can have a cookie. Gluten free even.

[OnTheMark]

This is far too early for VCA.

Let's let things develop. We need wagons with actual lynch threat.

~Titus

Om we agree. Can I have my puppy?

You can have a cookie. Gluten free even.

What kind of blasphemy is this? I want a puppy not a cookie!

I will take a gluten free puppy

[Chara]

Also also another thing, but I wanna wait and see what everybody else has to say before I bring it up. <3

oh, but now i'm so curious.

[Reasonably Rational]

I don't really think we should try and solve this game from a role/role usage POV, especially day 1.

~B

You can always try to solve a game from a role usage POV. Not necessarily from the role alone though, so you're half right.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

This game was literally advertised as.
"You may leave this game thinking it was bastard"

~B

That was specifically noted with regards to the different planes, not the roles, so I don't think that point is relevant to this line of discussion.

-Cerb

[Skybird]

historically, a scum lynch on day 1 is actually worse for town. sometimes, it can work out wonderfully despite that. but for the most part, i'd call it bad. Maki knows what i mean.

therefore, seeing as my role powers up on town deaths, and a day 1 scum lynch is bad for town, i propose we collectively agree to lynch town. i know it sounds silly, but it makes sense. i hate seeing town do well on the first day only to tank every other.

VOTE: Mark

I 've heard something like this before but I really don't like the idea of trying to lynch town. I get scrum vibes from this post.

[Skybird]

^ that's a knee-jerk scum reaction to chara's theory if i've ever seen one

Are you scrum w/ Chara?

[OnTheMark]

VOTE: Skybird

Give me your reactions peoples.

[Venmar]

Are you scrum w/ Chara?

[baku and munna]

@Cerb — Name one thing you disagree with me strongly on and one thing you disagree with me but it’s meb.

@Kiara (the other part of the Titus hydra) same question.

I am thinking I might be rescinding the Cerb TR.

Nope. Nothing immediately comes to mind, which means I probably don't strongly disagree with you on anything(or else I'd have already said so) and I don't particularly feel like reading your ISO simply to satisfy your curiousity about some insignificant difference in opinion.

The implication of your question+statement is that you believe I've been subtly buddying you by echoing/failing to disagree with statements you've made. Let me say this again: you are overestimating how much significance I place on your slot.

I believe the only people I might consider buddying are Titus and mastina, and that would simply be to spare Drixx the unhappiness that he experiences when those particular people fail to trust him regardless of what he does.

Oh, and maybe random, cuz I want to be a in PT with him cuz tradition!
-Cerb

could still happen


people are confusing chara doing protown things with it meaning they are more likely to be town. only reason i'm not going after them hard rn is that they were arguing with iconeum who has also been scummy and want to think about that more.
not seeing any of the same townvibes from shining dreamers that other people seem to be.
RR, Venmar and Maid Cafe are probs town imo. OTM is either town of playing an extremely smart scum game.

[baku and munna]

talk to me plz ppl (this is rando btw incase that wasn't obvious)

[Reasonably Rational]

I'm here homie!

What shall we chat about?


-Cerb

[Maid Cafe]

hat was specifically noted with regards to the different planes, not the roles, so I don't think that point is relevant to this line of discussion.

-Cerb

Generally, I think Planes would effect roles and balance regarding them

~B

[Maid Cafe]

talk to me plz ppl (this is rando btw incase that wasn't obvious)

Sup, I am town hbu fam?

~B

[baku and munna]

ok what do you think about skybird and do you thinkim wrong about any of my reads atm?

[baku and munna]

talk to me plz ppl (this is rando btw incase that wasn't obvious)

Sup, I am town hbu fam?

~B

also town

[Reasonably Rational]

hat was specifically noted with regards to the different planes, not the roles, so I don't think that point is relevant to this line of discussion.

-Cerb

Generally, I think Planes would effect roles and balance regarding them

~B

Sure, but if the planes are the source of the near bastard elements, then there's no reason to assume any roles have similar elements.

I still miss A50.

-Cerb

pedit: I <3 Skybird, but she hasn't said nearly enough for me to actually have an informed opinion of her. I've noticed a lot of people seem to have this uncanny ability to put skybird firmly in the scum or town category on D1, but I just can't do it.

I want to know if not seeing the same townvibes from Shining Dreamers(which, btw, I don't actually see anyone else really saying they're seeing, closest I've seen is Maid Cafe and myself saying we don't expect mastina to push for that slots lynch D1) means you see scumvibes.

I expect you to always townread me, so there's nothing to talk about there.
I don't really see why anyone townreads Venmar. Not to say I expect him to be scum, I just don't see evidence for thinking he's town.
I'd like to hear your reasons for Maid Cafe and OTM.

-Cerb, again.

[baku and munna]

i got slight scum vibes from shining dreamers push on maid cafe. it seemed like they started from the position "we're pushing maid cafe" rather than either "we are looking at evidence for maid cafe's alignment" or "we think maid cafe is scum, what evidence supports this" but nothing too strong atm
Venmar is a 100% gut read. it could be bias but i think he is at the very least genuine in his opinions, and am leaning town.
Maid Cafe is that i was on their side in the pregame arguments making me think they were town.
OTM is playing misguided town to a T. A lot of wrong pushes but they genuinely believe them and are trying to solve the game.