VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Chara]

Is it knowing how mana can be generated?
Is it knowing what different cards can do?
Is it knowing what factionals scum have?
Is it knowing what abilities players might have?

factionals.

[Reasonably Rational]

Interesting Cerb doesn’t answer Titus’s Iconeum question:

@Cerb I skimmed your response.
My short answer to what I think is your main point I wasn’t going to get what I needed to read you and town reads were telling me to drop it.

My main response is where are your arguments that don’t involve my main in regards to my original case? Are there any? Or had you planned on outing my main in order to attempt to defend against the case?

I don't remember Titus' Iconeum question? If she was asking about thoughts on them, I don't have any without rechecking their ISO, they've been pretty much as unimpactful as Micc.

I didn't know your main at the time I wrote that up(You can check that in the hydra PT in post-game to confirm, for what it's worth), I was just assuming that you knew me since you were acting like you did.

I'm pretty sure there are arguments that don't involve your main in that post, namely that what you call contradictions aren't, and are simply displays of a fundamental lack of understanding on your part with regards to the meaning of my posts.

-Cerb

[Shining Dreamers]

@MC Can you answer this for me?

Skybird, what's your position on OTM?

-Cerb

To me, there was something weird about their 1v1 with MC in the beginning which is what made me think one of them might be scum. But if one of them is, my vote is on MC. MC was stating earlier that he needs someone with no votes to vote them so they could get mana. (Post 566) That has been the case for them with Shining Dreamers since the first vote count. So why have they not voted SD and "gained" some mana?

Bottom line, not really interested in voting OTM at the moment. Still not sure if OTM is town but leaning more in that direction.

VOTE: Maid Cafe

for the new page

[Tibor and Lumia]

Hard-townreading OTM. His 1v1 with Tibor and Lumia, I believe it could be a TVS fight. I feel like T&L were trying to find all kinds of reaons to shade OTM, even trying to use activity as a scum indicator.

Neither of us have been using activity as a reason to scumread Mark? Please quote the post because I have a mild idea of what you

might

be misreading and I want to know if I'm right.
~Lumia

[Tibor and Lumia]

Hard-townreading OTM. His 1v1 with Tibor and Lumia, I believe it could be a TVS fight. I feel like T&L were trying to find all kinds of reaons to shade OTM, even trying to use activity as a scum indicator.

Now that OTM has revealed who he is and we can confirm his meta, he is the towniest person here.

How do you think Lumia asking him to prove his meta is "trying to find all kinds of reasons to shade" him? And Neither myself nor Lumia has even mentioned his activity level as AI.

Maybe try a reread so that you can get the facts straight.

-Tibor

Except Post 651 does mention it’s the right reason for Gamma.

Iconeum and Tibor SvS?

Iconeum is arguing

we

used

your

activity to push you. Which is wrong.
~Lumia

[Skybird]

so far; Skybird's scumread on me is my favourite. i didn't think anyone would actually be bold enough to call that a scum gambit, as though i

actually

believed someone would go along with that.

I did not read it as a joke. U seemed pretty serious to me. Did u not see the responses? Of course you did. U commented on them.

[Tibor and Lumia]

Micc, do you feel the need to have an intent to hammer to claim, or just L-1?

Whenever it becomes clear that that person is the lynch for the day if nothing changes. I don't think distinguishing between intent being called or not really matters.

That's my philosophy too. I ended up claiming fairly early by that logic as PR once.
~Lumia

Why did you feel this was relevant enough to ask me about?

Because I felt like establishing a common ground because I kinda want to get to know you better.
~Lumia

[Maid Cafe]

MC was stating earlier that he needs someone with no votes to vote them so they could get mana. (Post 566) That has been the case for them with Shining Dreamers since the first vote count. So why have they not voted SD and "gained" some mana?

Because it doesn't work exactly the way I described it.

~B

[OnTheMark]

so far; Skybird's scumread on me is my favourite. i didn't think anyone would actually be bold enough to call that a scum gambit, as though i

actually

believed someone would go along with that.

I did not read it as a joke. U seemed pretty serious to me. Did u not see the responses? Of course you did. U commented on them.

No time to explain.

Call it gut if you like.

VOTE: Skybird

[Chara]

I did not read it as a joke. U seemed pretty serious to me. Did u not see the responses? Of course you did. U commented on them.

i was playing along on purpose.

i believe in the theory, but purposely lynching town is definitely ridiculous.

pedit: haha.

[Bronya Zaychik]

Hey Titus, what do you think is the most important thing to know about a closed setup when it comes to solving the game, other than the alignments of the players?

-Cerb

Their motivations. Why players act determines so much more than what. That is why when you hooded me in SU2 and reacted negatively to my steal I suspected you were scum. Not because of you hooding me but what you did when you got there. Once Farside was mathmatically town and scum had to use Math to avoid giving conftown power without outing, the possibilities for who was intellectually focused enough to be likely were narrowed dramatically. The fact we forced you to use your event was tbh your undoing although you thought it cleared you. I still can never lynch you as scum. It happens after my death.

Long diatribe aside certain players have certain skillsets. How they use those skills is indicative of alignment.

Relating this to me I will do a VCA if RL permits but my analysis of the VCs will reveal what I value. My values strongly suggest my alignment since I don't like losing anyone on my team as either alignment unless necessary or the boon is too great.

~Titus

[OnTheMark]

oh and my Skybird scumread is because *reasons* *reasons* *reasons*

Yay for no explanation explanations

[Micc]

Micc, do you feel the need to have an intent to hammer to claim, or just L-1?

Whenever it becomes clear that that person is the lynch for the day if nothing changes. I don't think distinguishing between intent being called or not really matters.

That's my philosophy too. I ended up claiming fairly early by that logic as PR once.
~Lumia

Why did you feel this was relevant enough to ask me about?

Because I felt like establishing a common ground because I kinda want to get to know you better.
~Lumia

Is Tibors catchup in 727 representative of Lumias thoughts?

[Varsoon]

"Grow food in dirt? Save time—eat dirt."

Flavor Text : Goblin Gardener

VOTECOUNT 1.05

Maid Cafe (2):

Shining Dreamers, Skybird

Iconeum (1):

Bronya Zaychik

Tibor and Lumia (1):

Venmar

Taly (1):

Micc

OnTheMark (1):

Chara

Almost50 (1):

Tibor and Lumia

Micc (1):

Maid Cafe

Skybird (1):

OnTheMark

Not Voting (8):

Iconeum, baku and munna, Creature, Almost50, Reasonably Rational, SnarkySnowman, Taly, Dunnstral

With 17 Alive, it takes 9 to Lynch.
Deadline

:(expired on 2018-03-27 20:30:00)

There are currently no spells in play.

[Varsoon]

Taly and Snarky Snowman have been prodded.
Apologies for the short lock, game now resumes.

[Reasonably Rational]

That was disappointing.

-Cerb

[Shining Dreamers]

So what exactly happened here?

[Maid Cafe]

That was disappointing.

-Cerb

[Chara]

it was. i'd say there was a behind the scenes miscount. :>

[Reasonably Rational]

Hey Titus, what do you think is the most important thing to know about a closed setup when it comes to solving the game, other than the alignments of the players?

-Cerb

Their motivations. Why players act determines so much more than what. That is why when you hooded me in SU2 and reacted negatively to my steal I suspected you were scum. Not because of you hooding me but what you did when you got there. Once Farside was mathmatically town and scum had to use Math to avoid giving conftown power without outing, the possibilities for who was intellectually focused enough to be likely were narrowed dramatically. The fact we forced you to use your event was tbh your undoing although you thought it cleared you. I still can never lynch you as scum. It happens after my death.

Long diatribe aside certain players have certain skillsets. How they use those skills is indicative of alignment.

Relating this to me I will do a VCA if RL permits but my analysis of the VCs will reveal what I value. My values strongly suggest my alignment since I don't like losing anyone on my team as either alignment unless necessary or the boon is too great.

~Titus

Eh, we weren't forced to use our event, we *wanted* to use it. Perhaps that was an error on our part, but that line was wholly intentional. Us getting annoyed at you stealing our ability was also NAI, because it was a bullshit thing to do period, especially since you didn't think we were scum prior to doing it, as you just admitted.

Anyways.

What about the other, more mechanical question? That's actually what I cared about more, I just realized when people started responding that they'd start answering with all this ephemeral bullshit that didn't actually give me the data I wanted.

-Cerb

[Tibor and Lumia]

Micc, do you feel the need to have an intent to hammer to claim, or just L-1?

Whenever it becomes clear that that person is the lynch for the day if nothing changes. I don't think distinguishing between intent being called or not really matters.

That's my philosophy too. I ended up claiming fairly early by that logic as PR once.
~Lumia

Why did you feel this was relevant enough to ask me about?

Because I felt like establishing a common ground because I kinda want to get to know you better.
~Lumia

Is Tibors catchup in 727 representative of Lumias thoughts?

Not really? There are some things I agreed with when I checked it after seeing this but it's not a 100% match. That why I want to sync up with brass a bit.
~Lumia

[Shining Dreamers]

So what exactly happened here?

Anyone can answer this?

[Chara]

So what exactly happened here?

Anyone can answer this?

it was answered. nothing happened as far as i know.

[Reasonably Rational]

So what exactly happened here?

Anyone can answer this?

I don't think anyone would want to answer, even if they did know.

Most likely some stuff resolved, Varsoon had to check the order that actions were submitted/spells were cast, and some people probably got PM's, and whatever was done could have affected what happened in the game thread.

-Cerb

[Maid Cafe]

Hmm our mana ability doesn't work the way I thought it did.

~B