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Post Post #875 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:31 am

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"The fatal flaw in every plan is the assumption that you know more than the enemy."
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VOTECOUNT 1.06


Skybird (2):
OnTheMark, Chara
Maid Cafe (2):
Shining Dreamers, Skybird
Iconeum (1):
Bronya Zaychik
Tibor and Lumia (1):
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Taly (1):
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Almost50 (1):
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Micc (1):
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Not Voting (8):
Iconeum, baku and munna, Creature, Almost50, Reasonably Rational, SnarkySnowman, Taly, Dunnstral

With 17 Alive, it takes 9 to Lynch.
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:(expired on 2018-03-27 20:30:00)
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Post Post #876 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:32 am

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turning this game into a public role-planning fest the
fastest
way to kill most of the fun i was planning to have. not to mention that isn't how Varsoon does things.
"Sibling," Farkran asked, starting slowly.
"The CORE is full of lasers, and Chemist1422's entire existence depends on her eye. If she looks into a laser, she will almost certainly die. Did you think about that?"
"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
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Post Post #877 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:33 am

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In post 858, Bronya Zaychik wrote:Ok. I am scum. You must vote claimed scum right?
You’re clearly being sarcastic.

You aren’t
actually
claiming it.
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Post Post #878 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:33 am

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In post 876, Chara wrote:turning this game into a public role-planning fest the
fastest
way to kill most of the fun i was planning to have. not to mention that isn't how Varsoon does things.
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Post Post #879 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:35 am

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i wonder if this is a sign of Mathblade and i finally being able to work
together
. i want to believe it's so.
"Sibling," Farkran asked, starting slowly.
"The CORE is full of lasers, and Chemist1422's entire existence depends on her eye. If she looks into a laser, she will almost certainly die. Did you think about that?"
"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
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Post Post #880 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:36 am

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In post 879, Chara wrote:i wonder if this is a sign of Mathblade and i finally being able to work
together
. i want to believe it's so.
You have no idea how much I want this.
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Post Post #881 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:37 am

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:>!!!

ok, my apology to Cerb now extends to Mathblade.
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"The CORE is full of lasers, and Chemist1422's entire existence depends on her eye. If she looks into a laser, she will almost certainly die. Did you think about that?"
"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
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Post Post #882 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:40 am

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Varsoon designed this game so we use the tools that are given to us.

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Post Post #883 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:40 am

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In post 874, Chara wrote:Cerb: i'm doing something i've never done before in this game. and i apologize for this. deeply. though if you're scum, consider that null and void.

i'm disappointed, because i did it mostly because Almost was here. but between not having his vote and his disinterest, it might not matter.
:/
Is there anything you can tell me about the thing you're doing?

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Post Post #884 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:42 am

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In post 882, Maid Cafe wrote:Varsoon designed this game so we use the tools that are given to us.

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+1 No one is planning others roles, just enabling their use.
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Post Post #885 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:46 am

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sure.
i'm putting myself to a test. and doing what i think is best for town, but in a way that might be rather anti-town. it's difficult, because i'm so used to doing what i think is best for cohesion, always. putting it another way, i'm taking advice from both Ellibereth and Almost and creating a sort of hellish synthesis.
number one goal is always to lynch scum and win, though. i'm not trying to step on toes, and attempting to play in such a way that i don't do that.

Varsoon gave me a role PM that was useless to me as i usually play. i might as well have been a VT. so i decided to try and do something different instead of doing what i normally would.

well, that was fun.

who wants to talk about Snarky's entrance? i laughed.

pedit: then i propose we all wagon Venmar and make him the second largest wagon. oh, wait...
"Sibling," Farkran asked, starting slowly.
"The CORE is full of lasers, and Chemist1422's entire existence depends on her eye. If she looks into a laser, she will almost certainly die. Did you think about that?"
"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
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Post Post #886 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:55 am

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In post 885, Chara wrote:sure.
i'm putting myself to a test. and doing what i think is best for town, but in a way that might be rather anti-town. it's difficult, because i'm so used to doing what i think is best for cohesion, always. putting it another way, i'm taking advice from both Ellibereth and Almost and creating a sort of hellish synthesis.
number one goal is always to lynch scum and win, though. i'm not trying to step on toes, and attempting to play in such a way that i don't do that.

Varsoon gave me a role PM that was useless to me as i usually play. i might as well have been a VT. so i decided to try and do something different instead of doing what i normally would.

well, that was fun.

who wants to talk about Snarky's entrance? i laughed.

pedit: then i propose we all wagon Venmar and make him the second largest wagon. oh, wait...
I suggest you explicitly state what anti-town action you're taking within the next 48 hours. Think about it. Hopefully succeed at whatever you're doing, but I want to know what's going on before this phase ends.

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Post Post #887 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:58 am

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Does anyone outside Mark or Chara have a reason on why we shouldn't rolecop Chara's miller claim?

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Post Post #888 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:59 am

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i think i've probably already succeeded.
and i've pretty much changed my mind. this was a fun experiment, but it's too stressful for me. i freak out when scumread to the point i consistently obvtown myself. i can't imagine doing this all game and actually getting somewhere.
everything i've said seriously or joked about regarding my role has been a lie. i'm no flavour of miller. any alignment check on me will return town.

pedit: there's your reason.
"Sibling," Farkran asked, starting slowly.
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"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
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Post Post #889 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:00 am

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In post 887, Maid Cafe wrote:Does anyone outside Mark or Chara have a reason on why we shouldn't rolecop Chara's miller claim?

~B
Rolecopping chara's miller claim is 100% the optimal course to take. That data point should always be gathered, given the means to do so.

-Cerb

pedit: I'm really really annoyed right now Chara.
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Post Post #890 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:01 am

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i know you are. that's why i apologized earlier and decided to come come clean now.
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Post Post #891 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:01 am

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Oh look a miller isn't in the game with non alignment indicative roles.

Ya Mark your right fuck me for wanting to rolecop Chara I am fucking awful

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Post Post #892 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:02 am

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In post 889, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 887, Maid Cafe wrote:Does anyone outside Mark or Chara have a reason on why we shouldn't rolecop Chara's miller claim?

~B
Rolecopping chara's miller claim is 100% the optimal course to take. That data point should always be gathered, given the means to do so.

-Cerb

pedit: I'm really really annoyed right now Chara.

At this point yes. Do you disagree that enabling all roles is a strong course of action?
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Post Post #893 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:02 am

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In post 891, Maid Cafe wrote:Oh look a miller isn't in the game with non alignment indicative roles.

Ya Mark your right fuck me for wanting to rolecop Chara I am fucking awful

~B
I presume this is sarcastic.
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Post Post #894 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:03 am

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That would be correct.

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Post Post #895 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:03 am

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Already addressed, long before the current discussion. Why aren't you reading Titus?
In post 593, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 586, Maid Cafe wrote:
In post 575, Chara wrote:i'm not talking about stealing mana, i'm talking about informing scum nightkills, and scum power use.

and how Varsoon hates massclaims, explicitly warned us against flavour claims, etc.

maybe it means nothing. but i can guarantee Varsoon did not design this game so that it's a good idea for everyone to claim and coordinate mana stacking.

and this hasn't even touched on the fact i'm not townreading you, so why should i be giving you mana? :<

I dunno people said this about mass claiming not breaking both GiF magical girl games and both got broken via mass claim if people went for it.

I think generally its more pro-town if we all just openly try and get mana. If there are conflicting ways to generate it then we lose maybe 3 people casting spells. Vs me and Maki trying to play like a jester get voted, cross vote under a specific condition then hope that we can walk it off.

Like being hidden about mana generation I think hurts town, I think the game was made so most of us can generate mana, Varsoon wouldn't design cards people can't realistically use and by hiding how i get mana me and maki just get taken off our cards 9/10 times.
Lot's of people can still hiddenly generate mana and don't need to claim conditions.

Scum knowing I always act tonight is strictly better than me not acting.

~B
So this is something I'm torn about. Mathematically, the majority of the game is town, therefore if you simply do everything to enable everyone's abilities, you're helping town more than scum on a per slot basis...but scum power is usually a lot worse for town than town power is for scum, because scum know where to aim...and by being so open about things, you're enhancing that disparity.

In short, idk what the right thing to do is, but if it involves ruining wagons as badly as the Venmar thing does, then it shouldn't be done, unless it's done super deliberately after we've come to a consensus on who the lynch for the day is.

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Post Post #896 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:05 am

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In post 891, Maid Cafe wrote:Oh look a miller isn't in the game with non alignment indicative roles.

Ya Mark your right fuck me for wanting to rolecop Chara I am fucking awful

~B
In post 892, Bronya Zaychik wrote:
In post 889, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 887, Maid Cafe wrote:Does anyone outside Mark or Chara have a reason on why we shouldn't rolecop Chara's miller claim?

~B
Rolecopping chara's miller claim is 100% the optimal course to take. That data point should always be gathered, given the means to do so.

-Cerb

pedit: I'm really really annoyed right now Chara.

At this point yes. Do you disagree that enabling all roles is a strong course of action?
I completely disagree for reasons I can’t explain at work.

And lol I am getting better I had Chara figured out early :P

*Mini victory dance*

Yeah yeah I am sure I will suck at something terribad later. Let me have this lol
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Post Post #897 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:05 am

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i have to get going, but: Cerb, i understand if you're upset with me. please understand that i wasn't just dicking around, and i am completely cognizant of how scummy the timing of my claim retraction was.

pedit: Mark, you had me figured as a liar, or as scum? :P
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Post Post #898 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:07 am

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In post 897, Chara wrote:i have to get going, but: Cerb, i understand if you're upset with me. please understand that i wasn't just dicking around, and i am completely cognizant of how scummy the timing of my claim retraction was.

pedit: Mark, you had me figured as a liar, or as scum? :P
I knew you were a liar. I was trying to figure out under what circumstances the play you were making was possible if you were town.

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Post Post #899 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:08 am

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chara is town
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