VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Bronya Zaychik]

I agree there isn’t.

However most of the content Skybird posted, especially early game targets Maid Cafe, same with Iconeum.

Why is Iconeum sticking out and not Skybird?

And how Iconeum did it makes them an unlikely scumpairing. You’re straw manning the point.

Iconeum is scummy. Skybird is not. That's all I have to say on the matter. You're beginning to force your opinions upon me and I don't like that. Please change the topic?

Scummy doesn’t always mean scum.

And scummy doesn’t mean likely partners.

At least one of Iconeum and Maid Cafe are town. I don’t see them in a team and I wanna go after the scummiest players.

I never cared for them being partners. I think they are scum independently. Maid Cafe is my scumread of choice. Iconeum needs to be pressured to see what shakes out and I'm fine with that. Titus wants that wagon and I am also fine with that. I am not opposed to them being dead.

[OnTheMark]

If you don’t have a read on how things would shake or why players are Townie or scummy or any sort of reasons I am not following you off of my top scum pick.

[OnTheMark]

Right now, I feel like either Maid Cafe or OTM is scum, I'm not sure which one though leaning towards Maid Cafe. I didn't like 53 and 88 from them.

Tibor and Lumia ping town to me. That is a gut read.

Pre-edit: Thanks Phosphophyllite

This post tries to continue the Beeboy+Me whatever the fuck that was. Attempts to be divisive without too much of a commitment. They aren’t sure yet they are enough to try to bring others into it. Instead of actively asking a sorting question to figure it out they push. Means if Sky is scum Maid Cafe is lock town.

[Bronya Zaychik]

If you don’t have a read on how things would shake or why players are Townie or scummy or any sort of reasons I am not following you off of my top scum pick.

I never said that you needed to follow me onto Maid Cafe. You asked me to follow you onto Skybird and I simply declined. This conversation was a result of that.

However, Titus does want you to follow onto her Iconeum scumread. I'll let her engage with you on that front. I'm fine with Titus moving the vote back onto Iconeum, but I am making the vote on Maid Cafe more as a gesture to make a point.

[OnTheMark]

Skybird, Creature, RR, Shinding D townread.

Maid Café should respond to 237. I love how she bashes OTM for not responding, yet doesn't answer herself.

Maid scumreading right now. Maybe lyncher - lynchee with OTM. That would be hilarious

Now Iconeum pushes on with absolute bullshit.

Lyncher/ Lynchee is something Varsoon would never do. It’s more of a push on Maid Ico never follows through on. Again trying to stoke the fires but this is commital so it isn’t nearly as bad as Skybird.

[Bronya Zaychik]

Right now, I feel like either Maid Cafe or OTM is scum, I'm not sure which one though leaning towards Maid Cafe. I didn't like 53 and 88 from them.

Tibor and Lumia ping town to me. That is a gut read.

Pre-edit: Thanks Phosphophyllite

This post tries to continue the Beeboy+Me whatever the fuck that was. Attempts to be divisive without too much of a commitment. They aren’t sure yet they are enough to try to bring others into it. Instead of actively asking a sorting question to figure it out they push. Means if Sky is scum Maid Cafe is lock town.

But if Skybird is town we are none the wiser about Maid Cafe's alignment.

[Bronya Zaychik]

OtM how do you justify Maid Cafe writing a paragraph to justify

locktowning

a player who said a grand total of "hi" in a 46-page thread only after being called out on its absurdity?

[OnTheMark]

quick reminder to everyone that i need to be 2nd largest wagon each day to be useful :/

vote: Venmar

This post bugs me. Why do you think you have to use a spell/ability to be useful?

Skybird also bugs me because they call out Venmar for thinking they have to have an ability to be useful but are wholly inconsistent when Maid Cafe does antitoen bullshit that we’re still not clear on what for mana.

This means if Skybird is scum Ico is town and Maid might be scum.

[OnTheMark]

OtM how do you justify Maid Cafe writing a paragraph to justify

locktowning

a player who said a grand total of "hi" in a 46-page thread only after being called out on its absurdity?

Irrelevant.

I have lockscummed a player for a word on page one and have been right.

[OnTheMark]

quick reminder to everyone that i need to be 2nd largest wagon each day to be useful :/

vote: Venmar

This post bugs me. Why do you think you have to use a spell/ability to be useful?

Skybird also bugs me because they call out Venmar for thinking they have to have an ability to be useful but are wholly inconsistent when Maid Cafe does antitoen bullshit that we’re still not clear on what for mana.

This means if Skybird is scum Ico is town and Maid might be scum.

And of course Venmar would be town in that case.

[Bronya Zaychik]

This means if Skybird is scum Ico is town and Maid might be scum.

See, it's getting complicated here isn't it. First you said that Skybird scum makes MC locktown, but now after discovering new evidence, Maid may potentially be scum.

I don't see a point for you digging into likely-inaccurate associative tells so early into the game, especially considering the fact that your early predictions have already been proven to be inconsistent with such little evidence.

[Maid Cafe]

OtM how do you justify Maid Cafe writing a paragraph to justify

locktowning

a player who said a grand total of "hi" in a 46-page thread only after being called out on its absurdity?

All reads are subject to review.

~B

[Bronya Zaychik]

OtM how do you justify Maid Cafe writing a paragraph to justify

locktowning

a player who said a grand total of "hi" in a 46-page thread only after being called out on its absurdity?

Irrelevant.

I have lockscummed a player for a word on page one and have been right.

Correlation does not imply causation. It's more likely you've just been lucky. How many times have you been wrong? Have you kept track? I bet you didn't.

[OnTheMark]

i'm not talking about stealing mana, i'm talking about informing scum nightkills, and scum power use.

and how Varsoon hates massclaims, explicitly warned us against flavour claims, etc.

maybe it means nothing. but i can guarantee Varsoon did not design this game so that it's a good idea for everyone to claim and coordinate mana stacking.

and this hasn't even touched on the fact i'm not townreading you, so why should i be giving you mana? :<

I dunno people said this about mass claiming not breaking both GiF magical girl games and both got broken via mass claim if people went for it.

I think generally its more pro-town if we all just openly try and get mana. If there are conflicting ways to generate it then we lose maybe 3 people casting spells. Vs me and Maki trying to play like a jester get voted, cross vote under a specific condition then hope that we can walk it off.

Like being hidden about mana generation I think hurts town, I think the game was made so most of us can generate mana, Varsoon wouldn't design cards people can't realistically use and by hiding how i get mana me and maki just get taken off our cards 9/10 times.
Lot's of people can still hiddenly generate mana and don't need to claim conditions.

Scum knowing I always act tonight is strictly better than me not acting.

~B

Others have already reasponded to this but I don't think it's a good thing to let scum know how you generate mana. It makes it easier for them to mess things up for town.

Right now, I feel like either Maid Cafe or OTM is scum, I'm not sure which one though leaning towards Maid Cafe. I didn't like 53 and 88 from them.

Tibor and Lumia ping town to me. That is a gut read.

Pre-edit: Thanks Phosphophyllite

Why is it one or the other? Why can't both be town?
~Lumia

They both might be. The whole argument just felt like MC was being contrary instead of two town talking past each other. (Not sure if contrary is the right word but I'm struggling to come up with a better one at the moment and without re-reading the whole argument.)

historically, a scum lynch on day 1 is actually worse for town. sometimes, it can work out wonderfully despite that. but for the most part, i'd call it bad. Maki knows what i mean.

therefore, seeing as my role powers up on town deaths, and a day 1 scum lynch is bad for town, i propose we collectively agree to lynch town. i know it sounds silly, but it makes sense. i hate seeing town do well on the first day only to tank every other.

VOTE: Mark

I 've heard something like this before but I really don't like the idea of trying to lynch town. I get scrum vibes from this post.

Why? Do you really think mafia are going to campaign for a town lynch? I recall Chara being pretty nutty as scum (or it could be Almost) but she's not nuts.
~Lumia

To propose we purposely try to lynch town is pretty scummy. If she can get a majority of players to agree then we lose a town player. Of course Chara made it sound like a joke in post 556. What better way to play off a scum gambit than to say it was a joke?

Now Skybird makes a push on Chara who is obvTown so the push will go nowhere.

It’s just noise.

I haven’t seen a single positive contribution from the slot.

[Bronya Zaychik]

OtM how do you justify Maid Cafe writing a paragraph to justify

locktowning

a player who said a grand total of "hi" in a 46-page thread only after being called out on its absurdity?

All reads are subject to review.

~B

Your maid status is also subject to performance review.

[Chara]

<3 hugs for Kiana too.
i'm busy, but i had time for that.

suppose i also have time for: i don't think Skybird knows my play or how i am as a player. i do think the way she reacted was possibly more naive (if scum, to think she can push this, if town, to think i was serious). their (Iconeum and Skybird's) interaction right after Iconeum votes me is something i might want to come back to.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Kiana: Noted. So does that mean that once the pressure becomes memorable, a slot is less likely to be scum with the slot they're pressuring(given the constraints previously mentioned), and that the more memorable the pressure is, the less likely it is that they're teammates?

In response to your 1131: Do you think MC is the sort of player who would, as scum, make a mistake of that caliber?

-Cerb

[Bronya Zaychik]

i'm not talking about stealing mana, i'm talking about informing scum nightkills, and scum power use.

and how Varsoon hates massclaims, explicitly warned us against flavour claims, etc.

maybe it means nothing. but i can guarantee Varsoon did not design this game so that it's a good idea for everyone to claim and coordinate mana stacking.

and this hasn't even touched on the fact i'm not townreading you, so why should i be giving you mana? :<

I dunno people said this about mass claiming not breaking both GiF magical girl games and both got broken via mass claim if people went for it.

I think generally its more pro-town if we all just openly try and get mana. If there are conflicting ways to generate it then we lose maybe 3 people casting spells. Vs me and Maki trying to play like a jester get voted, cross vote under a specific condition then hope that we can walk it off.

Like being hidden about mana generation I think hurts town, I think the game was made so most of us can generate mana, Varsoon wouldn't design cards people can't realistically use and by hiding how i get mana me and maki just get taken off our cards 9/10 times.
Lot's of people can still hiddenly generate mana and don't need to claim conditions.

Scum knowing I always act tonight is strictly better than me not acting.

~B

Others have already reasponded to this but I don't think it's a good thing to let scum know how you generate mana. It makes it easier for them to mess things up for town.

Right now, I feel like either Maid Cafe or OTM is scum, I'm not sure which one though leaning towards Maid Cafe. I didn't like 53 and 88 from them.

Tibor and Lumia ping town to me. That is a gut read.

Pre-edit: Thanks Phosphophyllite

Why is it one or the other? Why can't both be town?
~Lumia

They both might be. The whole argument just felt like MC was being contrary instead of two town talking past each other. (Not sure if contrary is the right word but I'm struggling to come up with a better one at the moment and without re-reading the whole argument.)

historically, a scum lynch on day 1 is actually worse for town. sometimes, it can work out wonderfully despite that. but for the most part, i'd call it bad. Maki knows what i mean.

therefore, seeing as my role powers up on town deaths, and a day 1 scum lynch is bad for town, i propose we collectively agree to lynch town. i know it sounds silly, but it makes sense. i hate seeing town do well on the first day only to tank every other.

VOTE: Mark

I 've heard something like this before but I really don't like the idea of trying to lynch town. I get scrum vibes from this post.

Why? Do you really think mafia are going to campaign for a town lynch? I recall Chara being pretty nutty as scum (or it could be Almost) but she's not nuts.
~Lumia

To propose we purposely try to lynch town is pretty scummy. If she can get a majority of players to agree then we lose a town player. Of course Chara made it sound like a joke in post 556. What better way to play off a scum gambit than to say it was a joke?

Now Skybird makes a push on Chara who is obvTown so the push will go nowhere.

It’s just noise.

I haven’t seen a single positive contribution from the slot.

Okay, it's obvious that you are straight up derptunnelling at this point. Stop. Look back and re-evaluate.

[Maid Cafe]

OtM how do you justify Maid Cafe writing a paragraph to justify

locktowning

a player who said a grand total of "hi" in a 46-page thread only after being called out on its absurdity?

All reads are subject to review.

~B

Your maid status is also subject to performance review.

Please refrain from personally attacking me :(

[OnTheMark]

OtM how do you justify Maid Cafe writing a paragraph to justify

locktowning

a player who said a grand total of "hi" in a 46-page thread only after being called out on its absurdity?

Irrelevant.

I have lockscummed a player for a word on page one and have been right.

Correlation does not imply causation. It's more likely you've just been lucky. How many times have you been wrong? Have you kept track? I bet you didn't.

Oh I have been wrong a lot of times. Each time I get better. *tilted mouth* However that is irrelevant.

You’re asking if something

could

happen by asking me to justify locktowning someone.

They could be masons could be a genuine read could be a gut read could be a secret cop check could be they did astrology. The point is I can see it.

[Reasonably Rational]

OtM how do you justify Maid Cafe writing a paragraph to justify

locktowning

a player who said a grand total of "hi" in a 46-page thread only after being called out on its absurdity?

Irrelevant.

I have lockscummed a player for a word on page one and have been right.

I don't think you answered the real thrust of the question. Though the bolding was on locktowning, the question was about the, arguably, overexplanation on the read that only came after they were informed that the read was something others found suspect.

-Cerb

[Chara]

thanks for reminding me of 669. i can't imagine a world where town actually agrees to lynch town on purpose. if Skybird thinks it was a scum gambit, i would thinkit would be because i want to look town by doing ridiculous things scum wouldn't say. not by actually, genuinely trying to get a majority on someone towny.

Kiana: are you townreading Mark?

[Bronya Zaychik]

@Kiana: Noted. So does that mean that once the pressure becomes memorable, a slot is less likely to be scum with the slot they're pressuring(given the constraints previously mentioned), and that the more memorable the pressure is, the less likely it is that they're teammates?

In response to your 1131: Do you think MC is the sort of player who would, as scum, make a mistake of that caliber?

-Cerb

A good interpretation in general, yes. Of course, there is no fine line; variables such as the strength of the player to play scum, and his/her tendency to bus must also be taken into account when performing evaluations.

I've seen high levelled scum players goof up their scum fakeclaim in a Mafia Tournament before. It's not unheard of. And everybody makes mistakes. I believe it is highly plausible.

What do you think about OtM's current tunnel on Skybird. Do you see any similarities when they made the case on you, or is this a different bird altogether?

[OnTheMark]

Oh yay!

Titus says to push something and I do.

Then I get called derp tunneling for pushing something and explaining my read as asked and assaults on my skill.

Please tell me to go write “OTM is a good player” then say I am a horrible player for writing it.

I don’t have time for this shit I am going to work.

Let me know when I am allowed to push someone.

[Bronya Zaychik]

Kiana: are you townreading Mark?

I am currently townreading Mark personally but I won't IC-level them until Titus gives the green light.