VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Maid Cafe]

This is Kiana i thought

[Chara]

i don't think you're tunneling, Mark. obviously, as i'm voting with you. this isn't even close to a derptunnel. what's Mark said that isn't legitimate, Kiana?

[OnTheMark]

OtM how do you justify Maid Cafe writing a paragraph to justify

locktowning

a player who said a grand total of "hi" in a 46-page thread only after being called out on its absurdity?

Irrelevant.

I have lockscummed a player for a word on page one and have been right.

I don't think you answered the real thrust of the question. Though the bolding was on locktowning, the question was about the, arguably, overexplanation on the read that only came after they were informed that the read was something others found suspect.

-Cerb

And I am saying that people do things that don’t make sense on the surface eg masonry or cop check or just being themselves or meta or whatever. The most likely thing is scum wouldn’t be that blatant. As town I deal with most likely.

[Bronya Zaychik]

OtM how do you justify Maid Cafe writing a paragraph to justify

locktowning

a player who said a grand total of "hi" in a 46-page thread only after being called out on its absurdity?

All reads are subject to review.

~B

Your maid status is also subject to performance review.

Please refrain from personally attacking me

I will personally flip your pantsu if you are bad maid! Personally!

[OnTheMark]

Oh yay!

Titus says to push something and I do.

Then I get called derp tunneling for pushing something and explaining my read as asked and assaults on my skill.

Please tell me to go write “OTM is a good player” then say I am a horrible player for writing it.

I don’t have time for this shit I am going to work.

Let me know when I am allowed to push someone.

It is Kiana talking right now.

I am pointing out the hypocrisy of the slot in general.

Almost to the point of rescinding town block status.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Kiana: Noted. So does that mean that once the pressure becomes memorable, a slot is less likely to be scum with the slot they're pressuring(given the constraints previously mentioned), and that the more memorable the pressure is, the less likely it is that they're teammates?

In response to your 1131: Do you think MC is the sort of player who would, as scum, make a mistake of that caliber?

-Cerb

A good interpretation in general, yes. Of course, there is no fine line; variables such as the strength of the player to play scum, and his/her tendency to bus must also be taken into account when performing evaluations.

I've seen high levelled scum players goof up their scum fakeclaim in a Mafia Tournament before. It's not unheard of. And everybody makes mistakes. I believe it is highly plausible.

What do you think about OtM's current tunnel on Skybird. Do you see any similarities when they made the case on you, or is this a different bird altogether?

Completely different. They discarded the push on me very quickly, and didn't really engage with any of the third parties who came to defend me.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I also don't have much of an opinion on Skybird, and always see fluff cases spring up on them D1(like, every single game), so I haven't actually paid much attention to OTM's actual reasons for being suspicious of Skybird(also partially because it's somewhat related to Iconeum, another slot I don't have much to say about).

-Cerb

[Maid Cafe]

I dont have a read on Skybird but Maki seems to really want to see her go so I havent been saying much on the topic because of that.

~B

[OnTheMark]

Because I wouldn’t get what I need to read you Cerb.

I need Drixx to post.

I still lean scum on you but it was a fruitless endeavor that would be spam.

[Bronya Zaychik]

Oh yay!

Titus says to push something and I do.

Then I get called derp tunneling for pushing something and explaining my read as asked and assaults on my skill.

Please tell me to go write “OTM is a good player” then say I am a horrible player for writing it.

I don’t have time for this shit I am going to work.

Let me know when I am allowed to push someone.

I asked you to explain your Skybird scumread, but the way you go about it makes it obvious that you are finding reasons to scumread them in retrospect amounting to a derptunnel. I'm sorry but that's what I conclude. You need to be more open-minded, I know you're better than RC, stop taking this emotionally and re-evaluate.

To me it appears you are performing the same thing as Maid Cafe, that is making a read then bending over backwards to justify it, but there is no scum motivation in what you are doing just a very general misguided towniness to it.

[Chara]

Iconeum doesn't feel like scum as i don't think they would look at the chorus of "Chara is obvtown for its dumb play" and say "but guys, i think you're ignoring all of the objectively scummy things". it's taking too much fire for an unpopular read, even if it does make sense.

[Bronya Zaychik]

Oh yay!

Titus says to push something and I do.

Then I get called derp tunneling for pushing something and explaining my read as asked and assaults on my skill.

Please tell me to go write “OTM is a good player” then say I am a horrible player for writing it.

I don’t have time for this shit I am going to work.

Let me know when I am allowed to push someone.

It is Kiana talking right now.

I am pointing out the hypocrisy of the slot in general.

Almost to the point of rescinding town block status.

I was going to contest the existence of hypocrisy itself, but,

Is hypocrisy specifically a trait that is scummy? Or is it more likely to be a town trait?

[Bronya Zaychik]

I also don't have much of an opinion on Skybird, and always see fluff cases spring up on them D1(like, every single game), so I haven't actually paid much attention to OTM's actual reasons for being suspicious of Skybird(also partially because it's somewhat related to Iconeum, another slot I don't have much to say about).

-Cerb

I'm kind of glad that we're approaching the same reads naturally, including the lack of opinion on Skybird and to a lesser extent Iconeum

[Maid Cafe]

I wouldnt say I am bending over backwards.
I can sum up the read in like 1 sentence "Dunn does more as scum".

It is a pretty simple idea all the other words just explain why i feel that way.

~B

[OnTheMark]

I also don't have much of an opinion on Skybird, and always see fluff cases spring up on them D1(like, every single game), so I haven't actually paid much attention to OTM's actual reasons for being suspicious of Skybird(also partially because it's somewhat related to Iconeum, another slot I don't have much to say about).

-Cerb

Your non defense defense is noted.

And I have defended Skybird D1 in Mass effect when it happened.

And I was right.

[Maid Cafe]

I lean town on Bronya I think Titus buddies me as scum and I like these Kiana posts.

~B

[Bronya Zaychik]

I also don't have much of an opinion on Skybird, and always see fluff cases spring up on them D1(like, every single game), so I haven't actually paid much attention to OTM's actual reasons for being suspicious of Skybird(also partially because it's somewhat related to Iconeum, another slot I don't have much to say about).

-Cerb

Your non defense defense is noted.

And I have defended Skybird D1 in Mass effect when it happened.

And I was right.

Past games that I have not personally been a part of (which means, all meta references except my completed games here, including "Mass Effect") are non-evidence to me and hold no sway.

[Reasonably Rational]

Because I wouldn’t get what I need to read you Cerb.

I need Drixx to post.

I still lean scum on you but it was a fruitless endeavor that would be spam.

I also need Drixx to post.

He was going to say something yesterday to get Chara to dig themselves deeper into their "I'm a miller" hole, but then Chara retracted it, and idk where he's at in the game now. :-/

Spoiler: @Kiana, unrelated to this game

Speaking of Drixx(well, speaking of us as a hydra, and yourreaction to our signature):

That entire interaction came about because we spent D1 defending Frozen Angels slot, like, pretty hard defending, iirc, and then RC replaced in to a slot that had claimed IC, and found a linguistic quirk of FA's that caught her as scum(just something she would always say when she was scum). RC then refused to pop their IC, and decided we were scum for 1) refusing to accept they were IC's without them actually popping it, and 2)defending FA's slot on D1.

[Reasonably Rational]

I also don't have much of an opinion on Skybird, and always see fluff cases spring up on them D1(like, every single game), so I haven't actually paid much attention to OTM's actual reasons for being suspicious of Skybird(also partially because it's somewhat related to Iconeum, another slot I don't have much to say about).

-Cerb

Your non defense defense is noted.

And I have defended Skybird D1 in Mass effect when it happened.

And I was right.

Past games that I have not personally been a part of (which means, all meta references except my completed games here, including "Mass Effect") are non-evidence to me and hold no sway.

Pfft. Do you deny that Skybird always attracts early game wagons? And that statistically, those wagons are usually on town!skybird?

-Cerb

[OnTheMark]

I also don't have much of an opinion on Skybird, and always see fluff cases spring up on them D1(like, every single game), so I haven't actually paid much attention to OTM's actual reasons for being suspicious of Skybird(also partially because it's somewhat related to Iconeum, another slot I don't have much to say about).

-Cerb

Your non defense defense is noted.

And I have defended Skybird D1 in Mass effect when it happened.

And I was right.

Past games that I have not personally been a part of (which means, all meta references except my completed games here, including "Mass Effect") are non-evidence to me and hold no sway.

Then how many times I was wrong should also hold no sway yet you brought that up no problem.

[OnTheMark]

I also don't have much of an opinion on Skybird, and always see fluff cases spring up on them D1(like, every single game), so I haven't actually paid much attention to OTM's actual reasons for being suspicious of Skybird(also partially because it's somewhat related to Iconeum, another slot I don't have much to say about).

-Cerb

Your non defense defense is noted.

And I have defended Skybird D1 in Mass effect when it happened.

And I was right.

Past games that I have not personally been a part of (which means, all meta references except my completed games here, including "Mass Effect") are non-evidence to me and hold no sway.

Pfft. Do you deny that Skybird always attracts early game wagons? And that statistically, those wagons are usually on town!skybird?

-Cerb

The last sentence is the same odds as everyone else and Cerb I am disappointed.

Gambler’s fallacy from you?

[Chara]

I wouldnt say I am bending over backwards.
I can sum up the read in like 1 sentence "Dunn does more as scum".

It is a pretty simple idea all the other words just explain why i feel that way.

~B

i think this is true. i'd like to hear Maki's take on Dunnstral too.

[Bronya Zaychik]

Spoiler: @RR

RC just lol-dayvigged this exact hydra (me and Titus) in the game next door (Alisae's hydra game) less than 24 hours into the game knowing we were town. Knowing that he is just awful and is not actually trying to antagonize me by purposefully ruining my games makes me feel slightly better. It is also funny.

[Bronya Zaychik]

I also don't have much of an opinion on Skybird, and always see fluff cases spring up on them D1(like, every single game), so I haven't actually paid much attention to OTM's actual reasons for being suspicious of Skybird(also partially because it's somewhat related to Iconeum, another slot I don't have much to say about).

-Cerb

Your non defense defense is noted.

And I have defended Skybird D1 in Mass effect when it happened.

And I was right.

Past games that I have not personally been a part of (which means, all meta references except my completed games here, including "Mass Effect") are non-evidence to me and hold no sway.

Pfft. Do you deny that Skybird always attracts early game wagons? And that statistically, those wagons are usually on town!skybird?

-Cerb

I've never played with Skybird before, I cannot answer these questions. You can tell us your expert witness testimony instead though.

[Bronya Zaychik]

I also don't have much of an opinion on Skybird, and always see fluff cases spring up on them D1(like, every single game), so I haven't actually paid much attention to OTM's actual reasons for being suspicious of Skybird(also partially because it's somewhat related to Iconeum, another slot I don't have much to say about).

-Cerb

Your non defense defense is noted.

And I have defended Skybird D1 in Mass effect when it happened.

And I was right.

Past games that I have not personally been a part of (which means, all meta references except my completed games here, including "Mass Effect") are non-evidence to me and hold no sway.

Then how many times I was wrong should also hold no sway yet you brought that up no problem.

I am just proving that since you were wrong more often than you were right, the fact that you were right just that one time to justify ~whatever point you tried to make~ was moot. It isn't even a good argument. You were trying to argue against me but your argument wasn't sound. It just makes things distracting. Titus would probably have a word with you for that.