NEWBIE 1858: MEDICAL MAFIA (fin)

[ejjinami]

Well nah twice but one of the games were canned >:l

I was actually talking about my town games xD lol, you didn't quote so I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing, but I had 3 town games, not 2.

[2Create]

1) How many games have you played?
2) Name your
-best scum game
-normal scum game
-best town game
-normal town game
Doesn't matter if it's on this site or on another one. Links could be helpful, but if it's on this site I guess I could find the game myself.
3) What do you enjoy most about playing mafia?
4) Can you say a few words about how you usually play? Like, say whatever you think you should say, how would you describe your usual game?

1. One on this site, I don't recall how many others offsite, but no more than... let's say 6? Most of them were a really long time ago though.
   
2. Onsite, N/A. I played 1 game before, replaced in D1 into
   Newbie 1679
   into a slot that had already gathered suspicion. Tried to diffuse that, didn't work. Lynched D1.
   Offsite I've played some role madness games, but I mostly forgot about them. I played a game recently that is clearer in my memory. I can talk about it a little I guess. Although since it's Discord, I can't really link to it. Most of the other games have been played on a forum that has since gone offline. So, I don't have games to share in which I've been mafia, unfortunately.
   
   Spoiler: Best Town Game

   My best town game... We had a bunch of bulletproofs (including me) which caused me to convince everyone that nolynching was a valid option. Everyone I suspected of being bulletproof agreed to a nolynch. Two people who I didn't know about, also agreed. The final person (making 6 people, adding to the usefulness of nolynch) also caved after some resistance. So we all vote nolynch, and the day ends. No one died that night.
   
   Next day one of the people I didn't know the BP status of, got voted out because of an antitown cop result from me and flips mafia.
   
   So it's the next day, and the other player who voted for nolynch without me suspecting they had a BP, is dealing really poorly with accusations. I also remember they wanted to nolynch for no clear reason, and so I decide to look into that. He had also claimed Tracker with a result on the previously lynched mafioso, which immediately caused them to become very suspicious, as it could have been a coordinated effort between scum partners.
   
   On the other hand, there was a second possibility as well.
   I'd been redirected the night before. The person who flipped mafia had been redirected the night before that towards me. It looked to me like this person might be a redirector claiming Tracker,
   especially considering the coincidentally aligned claim. However, this redirector might have the ability to change roles targeting a specific person towards another, rather than changing their target's target. I had an investigative role (lookout whose results I didn't receive but would become public upon death), and I got notified of a redirect.
   I also recalled that this person claimed bulletproof, which, if they could use their ability as if it were Nexus, would be a sensible claim.
   
   Now, this player has lied to us and later admitted it and claimed protown 3P, which is a believable enough claim on its own, and could certainly warrant lying about one's roles. However,
   after seeing all of this, I was suspicious. This player had refused to divulge their win condition, and claiming protown 3P could certainly be a valid move for mafia and antitown 3P, if they feel like they can't continue to pretend being straight Town any longer.
   
   Of course, claiming protown 3P with bulletproof isn't that bad. Bulletproof isn't all that useful for mafia, so it makes sense as a claim under pressure. It also means he can ignore any guilty alignment checks, since hey, it's a closed setup, we don't exactly know what goes into this. It's certainly believable.
   
   What's funnier, though, is that the previous day, I put the final nail in the coffin of the scum that we lynched by declaring one of my investigative rules immune to nighttime redirects. It was essentially a dusk cop. Previously to that moment, there had been some question as to whether the result was entirely reliable thanks to redirection being present. Guess what happened pretty much immediately after? This player claims 3P out of dusk cop fear, at a time when no one was asking for a claim.
   
   There were a few other points to my case as well, but this was the meat of my argument, and really the main play that I made that round.
   Some of the other points were that I hadn't yet copped him, (My cop role required consent, interestingly enough.) that he had a scumread on scum that's not behaving scummy, fluffposting and deflecting discussion under pressure, lies about roles and a potential conspiracy to claim Tracker by bussing a scumbuddy after a guilty result. (Which works because of redirector)
   Of course, we lynch, and the player flips antitown 3P and we win.
   I was mostly correct with my main case, although this player was a normal redirector. They used it on me because I had softclaimed another investigative role (the death-reporting lookout I mentioned). They were also bulletproof due to a certain other role, so that wasn't a bluff.
   Still, scouting out that weird nolynch vote and unsolicited roleclaim I think is pretty good.
   
   
   
3. I enjoy wacky stuff. So I guess these more vanilla-heavy games aren't entirely for me, but at the same time, I enjoy the mindgames that go into Mafiascum games. Games I played before were shorter and didn't quite have that same feeling to it.
   
4. I can't really say... That's a difficult question to answer. Although I guess I play like an AI. Must be true if others are saying it.
   In actuality I don't think that's the case though, I'm far from methodical, although I do have an eye for detail. That said, as my answer to question 2 shows, I don't have that much experience with this kind of mafia game, so we'll see how it develops.

[schadd_]

Hi Good-luck everyone

Hi

Like your random voting style c: I'm bad at starting up so I'm gonna just wait until something comes up.

VOTE: soulshade

Your avatar tyranny needs to stop.

my avatar is not a ruling class of any sort. your claim is preposterous.

1) How many games have you played?
2) Name your
-best scum game
-normal scum game
-best town game
-normal town game
Doesn't matter if it's on this site or on another one. Links could be helpful, but if it's on this site I guess I could find the game myself.
3) What do you enjoy most about playing mafia?
4) Can you say a few words about how you usually play? Like, say whatever you think you should say, how would you describe your usual game?

1) something like 30?
2) -fuckin none of them, i guess this one i felt i had the best handle on (partnered with our lovely mod! who probably made me town as a thanks for carrying her)
-this game is a crime, an ugly stain on ms's name
-this game was pretty good for everyone
-i guess this one is pretty true to form
3) the friendships formed along the way! also the gratification of scum daring to cross me and crumbling to dust by the hand of the public
4) i try to be concise and i try to engage with people in ways that aren't obvious. i tend to think that most of the most valuable pieces of information are in things people didn't expect to be important. generally people have an easy time calling me town

4) people normally scum read me all the time even when I am Town so probably badly :c

oh hey!

...actually, I made a mistake :I it's not 2, but 3 town games. lol, it's not like anyone actually cares about that, but whatever.

if you don't think people care then why ask!

[Espeonage]

Hi.
I won't be very active in the first days of the game cuz I got another game ongoing and I'd like to finish it first. It'll take 2-3 weeks at most, that's around a day of playing here.

VOTE: 2Create
the last post has the possibility of being AI. actually, everything that sounds like a joke but is obviously thought through and involves voting, could be AI. not sure in what direction yet though

and I'd like everyone to answer a few questions:
1) How many games have you played?
2) Name your
-best scum game
-normal scum game
-best town game
-normal town game
Doesn't matter if it's on this site or on another one. Links could be helpful, but if it's on this site I guess I could find the game myself.
3) What do you enjoy most about playing mafia?
4) Can you say a few words about how you usually play? Like, say whatever you think you should say, how would you describe your usual game?

credits to xUltiix (not from this site), from whom I have blatantly stolen the 2 first questions from. thx dude, btw.

First thing. Best bet is to not mention any ongoing games. The line is very thin and saying anything substantiative is against the site rules here. So for example. I have other games is ok to say, giving an estimate on when it will end is not. I know it's not malicious but my job is to help you along with how MafiaScum does things.

Now on to your questions. Firstly good to see some effort coming out early.
1. I have played many many games, unfortunately my wiki page is not up to date. (you will see the wiki tab in the bar near the logout button) I have been active on site for the better part of 8 years, and I have played on other sites before that.
2. - Probably Red Wine Mafia - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=32904
- Hell is 56K Dial Up is recent - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=73968
- Butcher, Baker, Patry-Maker - We lost due to an overpowered serial killer but my play was on point all game https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60585
- Extra Communication is also recent and has someone using meta on me - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=73980
3. The conversations. I play best as both alignments when I can get i to arguments with small subgroups of players in the game, sort them and then move on. That can be time consuming though which is unfortunate sometimes.
4. See the question above. I personally am very against meta and I am outspoken as being against meta because I believe it to be far far too fakeable. However I will not quash your playstyle. I very much believe in game by game merit except in rare circumstances or when I feel the meta is very very clear.

[ejjinami]

4. See the question above. I personally am very against meta and I am outspoken as being against meta because I believe it to be far far too fakeable. However I will not quash your playstyle. I very much believe in game by game merit except in rare circumstances or when I feel the meta is very very clear.

actually, the 3-rd and 4-th questions aren't for the meta. I might be a noob, but I've definitely seen enough to know experienced players can't be read based on that. I'll prob do it anyways, but I don't really expect to get anything out of the non-noobs.
I kinda want a sample of what should i expect from the people here. Like, till now I've never actually townread nor scumread anyone based on that so it could be potentially bullshit, but I think the stuff people focus on when playing scum could be corelated with what they usually scumread people for and what do they enjoy doing as town. Like, they should be more wary of the stuff they usually find scummy and could lack in other aspects...
and if we're talking about experienced players, I kinda think asking about what they enjoy might help with getting a feel on them early in the game.

the 4-th question is basically for the same reason as the 3-rd. It's mainly to get a more detailed answer in case people get lazy and don't bother to write a long answer to just 1 question. -_-
so nah, I wouldn't say it's 100% meta.

[ejjinami]

oh and btw, can you say what did you mean by "sort the conversations"?

[soulshade55r]

Hi Good-luck everyone

Hi

Like your random voting style c: I'm bad at starting up so I'm gonna just wait until something comes up.

VOTE: soulshade

Your avatar tyranny needs to stop.

my avatar is not a ruling class of any sort. your claim is preposterous.

1) How many games have you played?
2) Name your
-best scum game
-normal scum game
-best town game
-normal town game
Doesn't matter if it's on this site or on another one. Links could be helpful, but if it's on this site I guess I could find the game myself.
3) What do you enjoy most about playing mafia?
4) Can you say a few words about how you usually play? Like, say whatever you think you should say, how would you describe your usual game?

1) something like 30?
2) -fuckin none of them, i guess this one i felt i had the best handle on (partnered with our lovely mod! who probably made me town as a thanks for carrying her)
-this game is a crime, an ugly stain on ms's name
-this game was pretty good for everyone
-i guess this one is pretty true to form
3) the friendships formed along the way! also the gratification of scum daring to cross me and crumbling to dust by the hand of the public
4) i try to be concise and i try to engage with people in ways that aren't obvious. i tend to think that most of the most valuable pieces of information are in things people didn't expect to be important. generally people have an easy time calling me town

4) people normally scum read me all the time even when I am Town so probably badly :c

oh hey!

...actually, I made a mistake :I it's not 2, but 3 town games. lol, it's not like anyone actually cares about that, but whatever.

if you don't think people care then why ask!

I'm reporting you to the police for voting me yer going to jail

Early scum reads are trashy, but I can understand why.

Regardless I'm just going to keep a watchful eye on this game.

[ejjinami]

Early scum reads are trashy, but I can understand why.

What do you understand? -_-

and please answer my previous question. I'd really appreciate some games from you.
btw, idk if you realize, but stuff like "the town cop game" doesn't really give me much info. Even if you don't wanna give links, a name of the game would be good.

[Rei]

Hallo everyone~
VOTE: espeonage

[Espeonage]

oh and btw, can you say what did you mean by "sort the conversations"?

I don't try to gamesolve all at once. I like to do it piece by piece.

[Rei]

1) How many games have you played? A lot, but only one game onsite. However the games I played offsite were much shorter, not as long and the biggest lasted for a week maximum.
2) Name your
-best scum game: I would say this one, it was an ITA game which I think is pretty town friendly https://onehallyu.com/topic/606305-cong ... -7-pm-est/
-normal scum game: https://onehallyu.com/topic/643697-evil ... d-6pm-est/
-best town game: I pretty much suck as a town player tbh so i don't feel like i have a game I can call my "best" town game yet ^^
-normal town game: https://onehallyu.com/topic/587438-vill ... sona-5-ww/
Doesn't matter if it's on this site or on another one. Links could be helpful, but if it's on this site I guess I could find the game myself.
3) What do you enjoy most about playing mafia?: I love the mystery of the game, and the big reveal when we lynch someone and we find out if we were right or not about him. The whole rush I guess.
4) Can you say a few words about how you usually play? Like, say whatever you think you should say, how would you describe your usual game? I think I'm pretty contributive, I wouldn't call myself a good player by any means but I try. I like to remain friendly while playing but I can be a bit paranoid at times.

[soulshade55r]

Very productive day.

[ejjinami]

Very productive day.

why are you against saying anything about your previous games?

[ejjinami]

and

Early scum reads are trashy, but I can understand why.

What do you understand?

this was not a rhetorical question. talk a bit please

[ejjinami]

and lol, are all games here so slow? nearly 2 days passed and there are only 2 pages of posts...

[2Create]

Okay, so we've heard nothing yet of ChickenFritters.
We've also heard nothing of:
- Not_Mafia since their first post
- Draynth since their third post (all of them meaningless, though)

That's a third of all players not being active and having contributed nothing to discussion as of yet.
I'd think it's safe to say that no, games are not usually this slow. It's just that people who have no business keeping quiet are keeping quiet.
Maybe they don't know what to do at this point in the game, that's fine. But I have a hard time believing that two SEs would be clueless. I have no clue why they're not posting. Maybe busy schedules.
I don't want to base reads just off of lurking, but I'll say that does look kind of bad. There'll be more than enough time in the day to correct that, though.

So, right now there's not a whole lot to discuss. That's a problem, naturally, so let me kick things off a little bit by trying to build up some reads on the little amount of discussion that we have had.

4) people normally scum read me all the time even when I am Town so probably badly :c

Could you maybe talk a little more about how you play from

your

perspective? The kind of plays you try to make, what you have an eye for, what you think is scummy and what you think isn't? That kind of info would be more helpful than "I get the feeling I'm a bad player".

I think I'm pretty contributive

Can you elaborate on this answer? It's a bit of a non-answer and does need clarification. In what ways do you contribute? Are you primarily interested in producing reads, or picking people's posts apart in detail? Do you spend a lot of effort building up a case early on, or do you prefer to wait until later on in the day or even until a later day with building a case? These are just some of the ways in which contribution might be measured.

3. The conversations. I play best as both alignments when I can get i to arguments with small subgroups of players in the game, sort them and then move on. That can be time consuming though which is unfortunate sometimes.
4. See the question above.

Can you perhaps say a bit about the kind of game you play when people aren't engaging with you as much?

4) i try to be concise and i try to engage with people in ways that aren't obvious. i tend to think that most of the most valuable pieces of information are in things people didn't expect to be important. generally people have an easy time calling me town

What kind of inobvious ways?

Okay, let me actually get to answering to question 4 as well, since I realise that my previous answer was also not very thorough.

I try to pick posts apart for tells a handful of times per mafia day. Generally I just contribute to discussion by answering and asking questions, without looking too deep into things, but when I think enough discussion has taken place for some tells to manifest, I'll generally look through it and try to build a response to them.

I'm not really someone to hang on to little tells or slips for a long time. Mostly I out them straight away, unless I feel like outing them could hurt town (such as a PR slip).
This also means that for a large part, my posts tend to be short to average-sized for the most part, with a few very long ones spread in between, with perhaps also another few long ones answering in detail to the discussion that has come from that.

Hopefully that's a better answer.

4) people normally scum read me all the time even when I am Town so probably badly :c

oh hey!

What do you mean by this? Are you saying you're scumreading soul already? If not, I have no idea what you could mean. You're being a bit ambiguous here.
If you are saying that soul is being scummy however, allow me to disagree. Let's actually pull up the thing you quoted earlier before you put the vote on:

Like your random voting style c: I'm bad at starting up so I'm gonna just wait until something comes up.

I can understand why that's not great play, but I can't understand why you would find such a thing scummy. Surely scum wouldn't say such a thing? It attracts the wrong kind of attention. Sure, lurking is a valid scum strategy.

Saying

you're going to lurk is not, in my opinion. Especially so early on, when you could easily just keep under the radar for a little bit before jumping in when some discussion has already taken place.
I would not call this a towntell at all, but it's also not a scumtell.

I suggest we get meaningful discussion underway ASAP so that no one can hide behind that excuse any longer.

*looks at this post*

Oh hey. Let's keep it going, yeah?

Anyway, rudimentary reads list incoming.
There hasn't been enough discussion to really rank people against each other, but I'll roughly put people in groups.

Reads list.

Town: Ejji
Null: Soul, Schadd, Espeonage
Scum: Rei.

My reason for putting Ejji in town, is that he has been the driving factor behind all discussion so far. There's been very little, so it's not a reliable read for sure, but this is all I have to go on right now.

My reason for putting Rei in scum is posting a complete non-answer to Ejji's question 4. Seriously, it doesn't get any more non-answer than that.
Rei contributes?
Rei tries her best to be good, but might not be very good??
Rei is friendly, but can also be unfriendly if paranoid???
This is a lot of words, but it tells us literally nothing.

I don't consider any other reads I've gathered so far to be meaningful enough to put anyone else in either town or scum.
I've also obviously excluded anyone who's been inactive.

[Rei]

Okay, so we've heard nothing yet of ChickenFritters.
We've also heard nothing of:
- Not_Mafia since their first post
- Draynth since their third post (all of them meaningless, though)

That's a third of all players not being active and having contributed nothing to discussion as of yet.
I'd think it's safe to say that no, games are not usually this slow. It's just that people who have no business keeping quiet are keeping quiet.
Maybe they don't know what to do at this point in the game, that's fine. But I have a hard time believing that two SEs would be clueless. I have no clue why they're not posting. Maybe busy schedules.
I don't want to base reads just off of lurking, but I'll say that does look kind of bad. There'll be more than enough time in the day to correct that, though.

So, right now there's not a whole lot to discuss. That's a problem, naturally, so let me kick things off a little bit by trying to build up some reads on the little amount of discussion that we have had.

4) people normally scum read me all the time even when I am Town so probably badly :c

Could you maybe talk a little more about how you play from

your

perspective? The kind of plays you try to make, what you have an eye for, what you think is scummy and what you think isn't? That kind of info would be more helpful than "I get the feeling I'm a bad player".

I think I'm pretty contributive

Can you elaborate on this answer? It's a bit of a non-answer and does need clarification. In what ways do you contribute? Are you primarily interested in producing reads, or picking people's posts apart in detail? Do you spend a lot of effort building up a case early on, or do you prefer to wait until later on in the day or even until a later day with building a case? These are just some of the ways in which contribution might be measured.

3. The conversations. I play best as both alignments when I can get i to arguments with small subgroups of players in the game, sort them and then move on. That can be time consuming though which is unfortunate sometimes.
4. See the question above.

Can you perhaps say a bit about the kind of game you play when people aren't engaging with you as much?

4) i try to be concise and i try to engage with people in ways that aren't obvious. i tend to think that most of the most valuable pieces of information are in things people didn't expect to be important. generally people have an easy time calling me town

What kind of inobvious ways?

Okay, let me actually get to answering to question 4 as well, since I realise that my previous answer was also not very thorough.

I try to pick posts apart for tells a handful of times per mafia day. Generally I just contribute to discussion by answering and asking questions, without looking too deep into things, but when I think enough discussion has taken place for some tells to manifest, I'll generally look through it and try to build a response to them.

I'm not really someone to hang on to little tells or slips for a long time. Mostly I out them straight away, unless I feel like outing them could hurt town (such as a PR slip).
This also means that for a large part, my posts tend to be short to average-sized for the most part, with a few very long ones spread in between, with perhaps also another few long ones answering in detail to the discussion that has come from that.

Hopefully that's a better answer.

4) people normally scum read me all the time even when I am Town so probably badly :c

oh hey!

What do you mean by this? Are you saying you're scumreading soul already? If not, I have no idea what you could mean. You're being a bit ambiguous here.
If you are saying that soul is being scummy however, allow me to disagree. Let's actually pull up the thing you quoted earlier before you put the vote on:

Like your random voting style c: I'm bad at starting up so I'm gonna just wait until something comes up.

I can understand why that's not great play, but I can't understand why you would find such a thing scummy. Surely scum wouldn't say such a thing? It attracts the wrong kind of attention. Sure, lurking is a valid scum strategy.

Saying

you're going to lurk is not, in my opinion. Especially so early on, when you could easily just keep under the radar for a little bit before jumping in when some discussion has already taken place.
I would not call this a towntell at all, but it's also not a scumtell.

I suggest we get meaningful discussion underway ASAP so that no one can hide behind that excuse any longer.

*looks at this post*

Oh hey. Let's keep it going, yeah?

Anyway, rudimentary reads list incoming.
There hasn't been enough discussion to really rank people against each other, but I'll roughly put people in groups.

Reads list.

Town: Ejji
Null: Soul, Schadd, Espeonage
Scum: Rei.

My reason for putting Ejji in town, is that he has been the driving factor behind all discussion so far. There's been very little, so it's not a reliable read for sure, but this is all I have to go on right now.

My reason for putting Rei in scum is posting a complete non-answer to Ejji's question 4. Seriously, it doesn't get any more non-answer than that.
Rei contributes?
Rei tries her best to be good, but might not be very good??
Rei is friendly, but can also be unfriendly if paranoid???
This is a lot of words, but it tells us literally nothing.

I don't consider any other reads I've gathered so far to be meaningful enough to put anyone else in either town or scum.
I've also obviously excluded anyone who's been inactive.

I genuinely find it strange how out of my words you got that I was scum.
Very strange.
How is it a "non-answer"?
What makes this even stranger is that you picked the one question that to me doesn't really mean anything. Anyone can lie about how they play, especially a newbie like me whose gameplay isn't known here, and make it seem like their wolf gameplay is absolutely different from what they're doing now. To me this question doesn't really tell anything, and it could be spun into multiple different meanings. You said "there's a lot of words but it literally tells nothing" but what did you expect it to tell really? Also if you don't like my answer to that question so much, did you like the other answers? What did they tell you then? I'd like to know.

That's very strange as well considering your only answer to no.4 was that you have "an eye for detail" whatever that means.

I don't really mind being sused and it's happened to me a lot, but I'd like there to at least be sensible reasoning behind it not some nitpicking.

And yes I'm not afraid of calling out people who sus me for illogical reasons

so VOTE: 2create why aren't you voting me if I'm scum to you already?

[ejjinami]

Okay, let me actually get to answering to question 4 as well, since I realise that my previous answer was also not very thorough.

I try to pick posts apart for tells a handful of times per mafia day. Generally I just contribute to discussion by answering and asking questions, without looking too deep into things, but when I think enough discussion has taken place for some tells to manifest, I'll generally look through it and try to build a response to them.

I'm not really someone to hang on to little tells or slips for a long time. Mostly I out them straight away, unless I feel like outing them could hurt town (such as a PR slip).
This also means that for a large part, my posts tend to be short to average-sized for the most part, with a few very long ones spread in between, with perhaps also another few long ones answering in detail to the discussion that has come from that.

Hopefully that's a better answer.

well, thx for taking your time to write that, that must have been a total pain. Actually, I don't think the shorter answers were that bad. I wouldn't be confident in reading details like those :/ I'd say people normaly aren't very aware of what their play looks like... So if they don't already have stuff they like, they're proud off or sth like that, I wouldn’t ask about it. Even if they answer, the answer might not be completely true and it wouldn't give anything. :/
And you know I kinda liked rei's answer? It didn't contain any details, but she included her motivations. Like, idek what to say here, but that was definitely good.

Your read was definitely good too. Like, you just gave a good sample of your normal reasoning, thx for that. You seem to be the type to write thoroughly about everything. Like, I kinda didn’t like the “Neither is good.” judgmental part of your opening post, but I think I should just read it as “normal fluff”.
And you know that’s absolutely cool? xD I tend to do the same stuff, I started fighting it around 2-3 games ago cuz people were saying it’s a total pain to read my posts. So rn I’m kinda editing my longer posts and cutting stuff out after I write them.
But lol, it’s still cool xD and it’s good to know I won’t be the only active/caring player here.

[ejjinami]

4) people normally scum read me all the time even when I am Town so probably badly :c

oh hey!

What do you mean by this? Are you saying you're scumreading soul already? If not, I have no idea what you could mean. You're being a bit ambiguous here.
If you are saying that soul is being scummy however, allow me to disagree. Let's actually pull up the thing you quoted earlier before you put the vote on:

Like your random voting style c: I'm bad at starting up so I'm gonna just wait until something comes up.

I can understand why that's not great play, but I can't understand why you would find such a thing scummy. Surely scum wouldn't say such a thing? It attracts the wrong kind of attention. Sure, lurking is a valid scum strategy.

Saying

you're going to lurk is not, in my opinion. Especially so early on, when you could easily just keep under the radar for a little bit before jumping in when some discussion has already taken place.
I would not call this a towntell at all, but it's also not a scumtell.

/free townread for overanalyzing the post and adding your own motivation to it. Like, idk what he meant by the “oh hey!”, but the fact you already started to analyze it is townie.
And I agree about soul. I played less than a day with him but I think I can say he is exactly the type to do stuff like that as town. I think he might really feel he’s a bad player, so his “running away from playing” shouldn’t be scumread (especially if there was no pressure on him and he did it totally on his own).
Like, that post was NAI for him.

[ejjinami]

My reason for putting Ejji in town, is that he has been the driving factor behind all discussion so far. There's been very little, so it's not a reliable read for sure, but this is all I have to go on right now.

if you’re talking about the questionnaire, scum!I would definitely have more uses of it than town!I… xD lol

[ejjinami]

My reason for putting Rei in scum is posting a complete non-answer to Ejji's question 4. Seriously, it doesn't get any more non-answer than that.
Rei contributes?
Rei tries her best to be good, but might not be very good??
Rei is friendly, but can also be unfriendly if paranoid???
This is a lot of words, but it tells us literally nothing.

Again, disagree. It tells what she most remembers about the games… like, idk what to write here, cuz I really think it was good.

and @rei, when writing the answers did you mean “unfriendly when paranoid” or “sometimes paranoid, but uncorrelated with being friendly”?

btw, @2create I got the feeling you were surprised by how “not on point” were people’s answers and that’s the reason you rewrote yours. If that’s correct, can you tell me what did you think of soul’s answer?

[ejjinami]

To me this question doesn't really tell anything, and it could be spun into multiple different meanings. You said "there's a lot of words but it literally tells nothing" but what did you expect it to tell really?

…you know that’s one of the reasons I posted it? xD Like, I’m still quite sure no one except me here will bother trying to fortune-tell from those posts.
And lol, it was not useless. I’m kinda glad you think that way though.

[ejjinami]

I genuinely find it strange how out of my words you got that I was scum.
Very strange.
How is it a "non-answer"?
What makes this even stranger is that you picked the one question that to me doesn't really mean anything. Anyone can lie about how they play, especially a newbie like me whose gameplay isn't known here, and make it seem like their wolf gameplay is absolutely different from what they're doing now. To me this question doesn't really tell anything, and it could be spun into multiple different meanings.
You said "there's a lot of words but it literally tells nothing" but what did you expect it to tell really? Also if you don't like my answer to that question so much, did you like the other answers? What did they tell you then? I'd like to know.

That's very strange as well considering your only answer to no.4 was that you have "an eye for detail" whatever that means.

I don't really mind being sused and it's happened to me a lot, but I'd like there to at least be sensible reasoning behind it not some nitpicking.

And yes I'm not afraid of calling out people who sus me for illogical reasons

so VOTE: 2create why aren't you voting me if I'm scum to you already?

…..I kinda get the feeling it’s a little over the top as for scummates. So as for d1, I’d say 2cre&rei shouldn’t be the team.

[2Create]

I genuinely find it strange how out of my words you got that I was scum.
Very strange.
How is it a "non-answer"?
What makes this even stranger is that you picked the one question that to me doesn't really mean anything. Anyone can lie about how they play, especially a newbie like me whose gameplay isn't known here, and make it seem like their wolf gameplay is absolutely different from what they're doing now. To me this question doesn't really tell anything, and it could be spun into multiple different meanings. You said "there's a lot of words but it literally tells nothing" but what did you expect it to tell really? Also if you don't like my answer to that question so much, did you like the other answers? What did they tell you then? I'd like to know.

That's very strange as well considering your only answer to no.4 was that you have "an eye for detail" whatever that means.

I don't really mind being sused and it's happened to me a lot, but I'd like there to at least be sensible reasoning behind it not some nitpicking.

And yes I'm not afraid of calling out people who sus me for illogical reasons

so VOTE: 2create why aren't you voting me if I'm scum to you already?

Wow holy shit, are you really doing this? Big FOS.
Have you heard of OMGUS? Because this is pretty much it, save for the fact that I didn't actually vote you.
You know, I thought about doing it, but I decided that reads this early on aren't so reliable as to make that worthwhile.
I also dislike voting, and I didn't see the need to put any pressure on, because all I really did was ask you to elaborate. But you're slowly changing my mind by making my read on you more reliable.

Okay, let's pick apart your post now.

I already said why it's a non-answer, so I'm going to skip over that. Next up is your question why I picked the answers to that particular question to dissect.
The answer is simple. Questions 1 and 2 are meta. Question 3 is irrelevant. Question 4 is neither of those things.
Yes, people can lie about how they play. But if someone plays substantially different than what they've said, that's weird, right? So the answer to that question might actually have some repercussions, such as forcing people to be more active. It's a bad thing to say you're a lurker. It's also a bad thing to say you're an active scum hunter and then lurk. So in a sense, getting people to actually go into a bit of detail here might well be a good thing.

As for what I expected it to tell? Not much, really? Just a general outline of your playstyle. That's not a hard thing to accomplish. But what you're doing is not even that. In fact, I'm not even that concerned with the actual answer, just with the way you chose to answer it. Everyone else has given at least something to go by, and moreover, they've been succinct about it.
This is where we get to your post. There has been no one who's said as little while seeming to say as much. And this is a scummy thing. Often, scum will try to dodge questions by seeming to answer them, while giving a non-answer. This is not an important question by any stretch of the imagination, but the fact that you're doing it at all is suspicious.

No comment on the "eye for detail" thing, since I've elaborated in the very post you quoted, and also since it's a lot more substantive than what you have posted. With my answer at least, you might get suspicious of me if I miss or ignore too many obvious tells. With yours, all bets are off.

Good luck finding more than minor reasons for a scumread halfway on page 2 by the way. You've made 2 posts before that. What do you really think I have to go on? I've said with as many words that my reads are not reliable this early on. Why are you making such a big deal out of being placed on my scumlist? Seems like a knee-jerk reaction, which I don't look fondly on, hence my OMGUS accusation.

I'll get to your posts soon, Ejji. Just wanted to get this out of the way first.

[Draynth]

VOTE: 2Create
the last post has the possibility of being AI. actually, everything that sounds like a joke but is obviously thought through and involves voting, could be AI. not sure in what direction yet though

If you're not sure which alignment the post made you think 2create was then why did you vote them anyway?