VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[OnTheMark]

@Snarky: Have you lie detected anything yet? If not, there's something I want to claim and have you lie detect, as soon as I get the other heads approval.

Actually, I can copy you tomorrow if I'm alive.
I think its more useful to actually Lie Detect Venmar's claim imo.

There are reasons why claim confirmation today is a good thing.

Drixx responded to a text, says he'll be able to talk in about 5 hours.

-Cerb

@Venmar nope Drixx hasn’t.

And I was really hoping this wouldn’t become a mechanics show.

Because

reasons

I disagree with claim confirmation.

OTM, every Varsoon game becomes a mechanics show, and only in the case of FFT was that the wrong thing to do(so far).

-Cerb

Djajajwiejsiakskajwiqba

You realize I was scum in that game and won without a single post because I manipulated the mechanics before posting even begun yeah? I used artwork to get inside everyone’s heads.

Like legit this feels like FFT all over again except I am town and I am trying to find the puppet master.

[OnTheMark]

@Snarky: Have you lie detected anything yet? If not, there's something I want to claim and have you lie detect, as soon as I get the other heads approval.

Actually, I can copy you tomorrow if I'm alive.
I think its more useful to actually Lie Detect Venmar's claim imo.

There are reasons why claim confirmation today is a good thing.

Drixx responded to a text, says he'll be able to talk in about 5 hours.

-Cerb

@Venmar nope Drixx hasn’t.

And I was really hoping this wouldn’t become a mechanics show.

Because

reasons

I disagree with claim confirmation.

OTM, every Varsoon game becomes a mechanics show, and only in the case of FFT was that the wrong thing to do(so far).

-Cerb

Protomen was a mechanics show?

He means FFT the anonymous PT game Varsoon ran.

[Purple Heart]

@Snarky: Have you lie detected anything yet? If not, there's something I want to claim and have you lie detect, as soon as I get the other heads approval.

Actually, I can copy you tomorrow if I'm alive.
I think its more useful to actually Lie Detect Venmar's claim imo.

There are reasons why claim confirmation today is a good thing.

Drixx responded to a text, says he'll be able to talk in about 5 hours.

-Cerb

@Venmar nope Drixx hasn’t.

And I was really hoping this wouldn’t become a mechanics show.

Because

reasons

I disagree with claim confirmation.

OTM, every Varsoon game becomes a mechanics show, and only in the case of FFT was that the wrong thing to do(so far).

-Cerb

Protomen was a mechanics show?

He means FFT the anonymous PT game Varsoon ran.

I am extremely aware of what FFT is and its existence.

[OnTheMark]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=70103

For those that need context.

[Purple Heart]

I still do not know to this day who all of the alts were in that game.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Snarky: Have you lie detected anything yet? If not, there's something I want to claim and have you lie detect, as soon as I get the other heads approval.

Actually, I can copy you tomorrow if I'm alive.
I think its more useful to actually Lie Detect Venmar's claim imo.

There are reasons why claim confirmation today is a good thing.

Drixx responded to a text, says he'll be able to talk in about 5 hours.

-Cerb

@Venmar nope Drixx hasn’t.

And I was really hoping this wouldn’t become a mechanics show.

Because

reasons

I disagree with claim confirmation.

OTM, every Varsoon game becomes a mechanics show, and only in the case of FFT was that the wrong thing to do(so far).

-Cerb

Djajajwiejsiakskajwiqba

You realize I was scum in that game and won without a single post because I manipulated the mechanics before posting even begun yeah? I used artwork to get inside everyone’s heads.

Like legit this feels like FFT all over again except I am town and I am trying to find the puppet master.

I feel like you and Titus have one major trait in common: You place a lot more significance on your contribution to the success of your team than is reflective of what actually happened. Not that you weren't an integral part of our win there, but I'm pretty sure your art was the least important part of what you contributed.

@Alisae: Protomen was an anomaly. I'm talking about the Varsoon games in the same vein as this one, with these major public mechanics. A lot of the game becomes focused on how people interact with the mechanics, which is good, and gives us another way to identify scum based on how they interact with something.

-Cerb

pedit:Varsoon made a list of every player in every one of his games in the signup thread for this game, including which games they played in, so you could probably figure it out if you cross referenced the ones who played FFT with the posting style of each slot that didn't claim in the end game.

[OnTheMark]

I still do not know to this day who all of the alts were in that game.

*sniff* I figured out most and most of the ones invested outed themselves anyway. I think I had a bastard god recruit post thread longer than most people’s posts in the game. It was legit fun making Varsoon messages without any help from Varsoon although he vetoed some because too close to mod PMs

[OnTheMark]

@Cerb Why don’t you just meet me in the middle (and vote Shining Dreams)?
Oooooh Cerby why don’t you just meet me in the middle?

[Reasonably Rational]

I told Yume I'd do everything in my power to keep her alive! I can't just go voting her willy-nilly.

That's not really how I expect someone who town reads another to disregard what they are saying. The Titus/Kiana question was more an after thought but I was mainly trying to get a feel for Cerb. (And yes I'm calling the slot Cerb until Drixx pops in. Deal.)

i would argue that scum RR pays

more

attention to how they answer questions, not less.

They did pay attention. The reaction was IDGAF. I wasn't saying they're not paying attention. It's that they are blatantly contradicting themselves. And I don't know where Cerb

actually

stands on mechanical issues or his reads. I want that to stop.

Also, you could actually ask me questions directly if you want to know where I stand on something. I think it's pretty clear where I stand on everything, and you're misreading a number of things I've said, either intentionally or due to some sort of bias, but I can certainly clarify stuff if you want to ask.

-Cerb

Do you value mechanics play or regular play?

Do you support the everyone vote for themselves plan?

Who are your top town and scumreads?

Let’s start there.

Define "regular" play. If you want to know how I play(which you should already know, and which should tell you what I value, but I'll gladly reiterate it to everyone): I enjoy mechanically breaking games and doing everything in my power to do the objectively optimal play in all situations, again, mechanically speaking. I attempt to create auto-win situations for myself, as either alignment. As far as reads go, I only value those parts of reads which can be documented, where you can lay out a logical set of reasons why x is why, based on actions taken.

As for RR, the patented Phosphophyllite test is that unless they bring actual read to the main thread, you hang them and you look happy doing it. Not into any PTs alone. Into the main thread. You cannot fail in this way.

- Phosphophyllite

You're still my favorite Yume. <3 I don't actually think I've ever been secretive about a read in a PT and not expressed it in the main thread as well, eventually. There have been times where I've told one party I suspect someone while not acting like I suspect them in the main thread, in order to further a gambit(generally Drixx generated) of some sort, or vice versa, but the truth always comes out afterwards, regardless of alignment. I can appreciate your sentiment though.

^^ Also, I wrote up my response to your post in our hydra PT, but since nobody seems to care about your case or agree with you(so far), I won't bother posting it! <3

i'll actually be the devils advocate here cause im curious in your response. right now you're just smugly dismissing and discrediting the case.

That's because it's easy to dismiss, and OTM didn't ask for my response, only for that of those who TR me.

Anyways, that's 1!

-Cerb

ILU too.

- Phosphophyllite

P.S: If you're scum, please tell your buddies not to kill us. I am still sad that I wasn't able to enjoy SU2 fully.

As am I. I think we win if we leave you alive, it took us down a dark, desperate path. :-/

And I solemnly swear that I will do everything in my power to make sure you live until I have cause to believe you're scum.

-Cerb

I realized I never went through and read all the role possibilities for FFT. Friggin Squires WERE OP!

Actually, all the classes got super cool stuff late.

-Cerb

[OnTheMark]

And that Cerby is the problem.

Everyone is thinking about their own self interests for mana and can’t know the complete picture.

I can’t know who is truth telling and lying about powers but what I do know is from my perspective this much out is BAD!!!

[Alisae]

If anyone can GIVE mana I would like some mana.

[OnTheMark]

And for the record Skybird is still scum in my eyes. I am just cooperating the one place I can.

[Reasonably Rational]

If anyone can GIVE mana I would like some mana.

Seconded.

[Purple Heart]

If anyone can GIVE mana I would like some mana.

[Shining Dreamers]

If anyone can GIVE mana I would like some mana.

Seconded.

You said we won't die. You broke your promise, promise-breaker.... >.>

- Phosphophyllite

[baku and munna]

ugh
cmon guys if your gonna spampost can you please do it while i'm here soi can actually have some conversations?

mastina you can say goodbye to your mana btw.

Why???

I townread Mastina+Yume

This is scum mastina I'm sorry I never seen mastina just be so wrong before and approach a game from such a scummy PoV.

ayy it isnt just me

And since we're the same, you're scumreading me as well, and you never do that on d1 as town.

- Phosphophyllite

what is it with horrific omgus this game

[Purple Heart]

Randomshiro vote mastina then

[OnTheMark]

If anyone can GIVE mana I would like some mana.

Seconded.

Great. Don’t give me mana. I don’t want it. At least not now if ever.

[baku and munna]

im up to page 65, need to do some work will continue later, if you have any questions or stuff for me to know before reading up lmk
pedit: i want to be read up before i revote
dont even know what vc is like atm

[Gamma Emerald]

ok time to start reading through what I've missed

[Reasonably Rational]

If anyone can GIVE mana I would like some mana.

Seconded.

You said we won't die. You broke your promise, promise-breaker.... >.>

- Phosphophyllite

I said I'd do everything in my power to keep you alive as long as there wasn't cause to think you were scum! Until I get Drixx's read on you, I can't be certain there isn't cause!

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Also, nobody should give purple heart mana cuz they already stole someone elses mana, if they needed mana so badly they shoulda planned better!

-Cerb

[Purple Heart]

Also, nobody should give purple heart mana cuz they already stole someone elses mana, if they needed mana so badly they shoulda planned better!

-Cerb

ur not wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

Can anyone explain to me why there are so few scumreads on Chara?
A fake miller claim and a push to lynch town D1 'for the good of town' make this a scumread for me.

Going through Chara ISO, it's all about steering conversation towards a fake claim and about how it's better to lynch town. For the latter, iteven mentions 2 different reasons:
-More likely for town to win the game
-powering up own slot

Even more, out of all players it choses OTM as the sacrificial townie to be lynched. One of the more widely accepted townreads.

Rereading, there is 0 motivation to make a towncohesion. There are no reads expressed, and a naked vote on Skybird in 803.
It mentions skybird a bunch of times, but never takes the effort to actually dig into the case. There is very little overal commitment to reads.

VOTE: Chara

There was also the anti-claiming campaign, while (fake)claiming which doesn't make sense.

So I believe brass expressed concern about these posts and I agree, feels like Iconeum isn't actually analysing intent at all, just going for surface-level scummy things

[OnTheMark]

Right now I am thinking mastina + Gamma + baku + Skybird
Or
Skybird+Bryona+RR+???

I just can’t get a hold of this current without a flip.