VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Maid Cafe]

Also bee opinion on mastina please

I was rolling with town but the slot was kinda burning through that cred and I haven't read your case yet.

~B

[OnTheMark]

Why shouldn’t she?

If it has all of one color and likely has a scum in it, then we are only sharing information with town.

I mean your just describing chance atm, roles don't pertain to alignment even if there probably is scum in a pool of 3-6 people.
People in the hood have just as high odds of being scum then anyone else so outing it is pointless.


~B

You mean outing it is pointful.

If scum know something why deny it to town?

[Alisae]

Why shouldn’t she?

If it has all of one color and likely has a scum in it, then we are only sharing information with town.

I mean your just describing chance atm, roles don't pertain to alignment even if there probably is scum in a pool of 3-6 people.
People in the hood have just as high odds of being scum then anyone else so outing it is pointless.


~B

we want the hood outed not because we think scum exist in it.
We want it outed because we want to know who is in the hood and scum if they ARE in the hood already know who is in it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I wouldn’t get what I need to read you Cerb.

I need Drixx to post.

I still lean scum on you but it was a fruitless endeavor that would be spam.

I also need Drixx to post.

He was going to say something yesterday to get Chara to dig themselves deeper into their "I'm a miller" hole, but then Chara retracted it, and idk where he's at in the game now. :-/

Spoiler: @Kiana, unrelated to this game

Speaking of Drixx(well, speaking of us as a hydra, and yourreaction to our signature):

That entire interaction came about because we spent D1 defending Frozen Angels slot, like, pretty hard defending, iirc, and then RC replaced in to a slot that had claimed IC, and found a linguistic quirk of FA's that caught her as scum(just something she would always say when she was scum). RC then refused to pop their IC, and decided we were scum for 1) refusing to accept they were IC's without them actually popping it, and 2)defending FA's slot on D1.

This interests me, why did Drixx think Chara was digging a hole with its miller claim?

[OnTheMark]

Why shouldn’t she?

If it has all of one color and likely has a scum in it, then we are only sharing information with town.

I mean your just describing chance atm, roles don't pertain to alignment even if there probably is scum in a pool of 3-6 people.
People in the hood have just as high odds of being scum then anyone else so outing it is pointless.


~B

we want the hood outed not because we think scum exist in it.
We want it outed because we want to know who is in the hood and scum if they ARE in the hood already know who is in it.

Yeah that.

[Purple Heart]

Why shouldn’t she?

If it has all of one color and likely has a scum in it, then we are only sharing information with town.

I mean your just describing chance atm, roles don't pertain to alignment even if there probably is scum in a pool of 3-6 people.
People in the hood have just as high odds of being scum then anyone else so outing it is pointless.


~B

we want the hood outed not because we think scum exist in it.
We want it outed because we want to know who is in the hood and scum if they ARE in the hood already know who is in it.

picking this up

Pedit it keeps on getting worse lmao

[Almost50]

FINALLY Maki gets to post, and I'm feeling better about that slot already.

Why is Iconeum so high?

Is barely just above the null line "so high:?? Anyway, I'm not feeling Icon as scum, yet there's no good evidence he's town, so it's just gut at this point.

I think this game was specifically designed to render any attempy on VCA worthless.

There is an option E of having some sort of crazy as fuck multiball thing

Who else thinks this could be multi-ball? Why? (If you don't, you need not answer)

15/20 more pages to go *depending on how many more you post while I'm catching up*

[Maid Cafe]

I think we have no reason to believe scum is in the hood beyond rand and it isnt info that is relevant to the town atm.

~B

[OnTheMark]

Okay Beeboy

Let’s assume there are more than three people in the hood. You mastina and random and this other group of players. For sake of argument I will call them silent hood people.
Let’s assume random is scum.

Random would tell the scumbuddies who the silent people are yes?

[Gamma Emerald]

Iconeum doesn't feel like scum as i don't think they would look at the chorus of "Chara is obvtown for its dumb play" and say "but guys, i think you're ignoring all of the objectively scummy things". it's taking too much fire for an unpopular read, even if it does make sense.

players scumreading Iconeum, can you talk about this?

But I don't feel like it's considering any sort of reasons why,

just

focusing on objectively scummy things

[Gamma Emerald]

Iconeum doesn't feel like scum as i don't think they would look at the chorus of "Chara is obvtown for its dumb play" and say "but guys, i think you're ignoring all of the objectively scummy things". it's taking too much fire for an unpopular read, even if it does make sense.

players scumreading Iconeum, can you talk about this?

I'm scumreading Iconeum for his lack of vote on T and L earlier.

He laid out two premises

1) Mark v T and L was T v S
2) Mark was lock T

That leaves the conclusion that T and L is scum. T and L had a wagon. Iconeum doesn't vote there.

So this was what was mentioned, okay I already commented on this, I agree

[Maid Cafe]

Okay Beeboy

Let’s assume there are more than three people in the hood. You mastina and random and this other group of players. For sake of argument I will call them silent hood people.
Let’s assume random is scum.

Random would tell the scumbuddies who the silent people are yes?

What do we gain by having town know about the hood?
Also what reason do we have to believe "random" in this situation is scum beyond rand chance.

~B

[OnTheMark]

It’s already out there. Before mastina outed it and you confirmed its existence that question makes sense.

However now it’s more about damage control and level footing.

Even so, I will answer your question despite the completely ridiculous shift of burden of proof.

Now for shits and giggles assume it is just you Mastina/Yume and random.

Odds are roughly 33% the three of you would be town.

Now let’s take a look at how little activity there has been for the three of you despite both you and the Mastina/Yume hydra being the most active posters. There has been almost no “heat” for you in that direction. It makes it look as if you have no interest in sorting the slot later on. Now that we know that there is a hood people can have a chance to reset given this.

Considering while the three of you have had heat there has been heat incoming from multiple directions suggesting that whoever is in the hood either has a general distaste for or hates hoods or fears the scum. Some semblance of a lack of control.

By saying who is in it the group can reassess and figure stuff out accordingly and see if any one pushed exclusively the hood or had some nefarious purpose.

[OnTheMark]

From your statement it seems you believe Mastina is town. To me it looks like flail. However based on there being a hood and Mastina’s theory it does merit a second look. However asking your townie brethren to do so with their hands tied is kinda crap.

[OnTheMark]

In other words, if you believe Mastina/Yume is town, and I do get that general impression then we need to figure out who is championing the mislynch. I don’t want a kneejerk response “it has to be Alisae/Taly”. We need to slowly figure that out if mastina is town. There is no omg the world is ending scenario here. Just bring town what scum likely already has.

[Gamma Emerald]

We should play fun games like.

Cop, Vig, Doc where we give 3 names for each catrgory.

~B

Tried that.

Byrona doesn’t play

For liking puppies and giving me one supposedly they don’t play with them.

I'll play [Titus head]

Cop RR (We know I scared of you)
Doc RR (I can pick same slot right?)
Vig Iconeum T and L or Mark

What is up with that vig pool? Are those all scumreads or is there something else motivating that selection?

[Maid Cafe]

I mean why is Random more likely to be scum then town in this hypothetical situation if Mastina and I are town?
Random always has a 25% of being scum regardless of anyone elses alignment in the hood.

~B

[Gamma Emerald]

@mark ok push was a bad choice i meant generally the stuff you were talking about

does who is aligned with who (but not their actual alignment) count as an answer to that question?

Hey has Shiro been around and what thoughts has she given?

not yet

@OTM: I want to hear about Dunn and B&M.

-Cerb

Tonight.

Anyone catch what that post said before it was edited?

Dunn is null.

B&M is still scumlean would vote. I am wholly unimpressed with random’s answers. Of the people in the “would vote list” the only reason I hesitate is because Shiro made an effort to say V/LA and when he was scum before he didn’t.

ok this is blatant OMGUS
mark you're either playing shit or are scum making disingenuous pushes
VOTE: onthemark
let's throw down

eck I feel like this hydra could be scum, I believe Shiro is less active as scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Also about this hood talk: don't read into it. Go see RC's last large UPick for why reading into hoods is a bad idea.

[OnTheMark]

I mean why is Random more likely to be scum then town in this hypothetical situation if Mastina and I are town?
Random always has a 25% of being scum regardless of anyone elses alignment in the hood.

~B

Actually no. The Monty shall problem occurs and it isn’t 25% even without that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem

Let’s make some key assumptions.
Four scum.
Then each player has a 4/17 chance of randing scum. Roughly 23.5%

Now assume you take a random subset of 4 people. Then eliminate two of those people as potential scum.

This means the odds dramatically go up for the remaining two. I don’t want to get too number crunching as eyes glaze over but the odds of scum being in the hood is astronomically high.

[OnTheMark]

So much to the point if the three of you do not out the fourth member as implied I would have no problem suggesting chain lynching.

[OnTheMark]

Furthermore Random + Titus/Kiana + Skybird + RR becomes a potential team as anytime I suggested any of them they call me a bad player. If you seriously believe that Mastina is town help me help her by giving everyone what they need to work with.

[Maid Cafe]

See your logic fails when you start to take a random subset of 4 people.

~B

[OnTheMark]

Did you not get your Role PMs from the moderator?

Was role distribution not random? I fail to see where it falls apart?

Furthermore you are still deflecting from what the question both Alisae and myself have asked whom you townread. Scum know who this fourth member is.

[Maid Cafe]

Because a pool of 3 players that contains 2 town and 1 scum and a random pool of 3 players are not comparable.

~B