VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Varsoon]

“The panic is amusing, but the real fun comes when the spell passes and the villagers start looking for a scapegoat.”

—Ludevic, necro-alchemist

VOTECOUNT 1.19

Shining Dreamers (6):

Creature, [Champion of the Parish], Purple Heart, Venmar, Bronya Zaychik

Skybird (2):

Shining Dreamers, Almost50

Micc (1):

Maid Cafe

Maid Cafe (1):

Skybird

Chara (1):

Iconeum

OnTheMark (1):

baku and munna

Iconeum (1):

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (6):

Reasonably Rational, SnarkySnowman, Dunnstral, Micc, Chara, OnTheMark

Creatures (2):

Elemental, Mother of Runes

With 17 Alive, it takes 9 to Lynch.
Deadline

:(expired on 2018-03-27 20:30:00)

Mother of Runes has Protection from Black.
Spells in play: (Champion of the Parish, Crusade) (Elemental) (Mother of Runes)

Spoiler: List of all Spells in play

Champion of the Parish
Creature
CREATURE SPELLS MAY BE CAST DURING ANY PHASE. THIS SPELL COSTS one White mana to cast.
Creature spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game. This creature gains votes equal to the number of creatures you control. This creature's total casting cost is equal to the number of creatures you control. I stand for every cobbler, tamer, and fool in this town--and they stand for me.

Crusade
Enchantment
ENCHANTMENT SPELLS MAY BE CAST DURING ANY PHASE. This spell costs two white mana to cast.
Enchantment spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game. Any time a White Creature votes for a player, an extra vote is added. Finally, I understand. Home isn't where you rest. It's what you fight for.

Elemental
Creature
Creature spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game. This Creature may vote.

Mother of Runes
Creature
Creature SPELLS MAY BE CAST DURING ANY PHASE. This spell costs one White mana to cast.
Creature spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game. When you cast this Spell, choose a color and target a Creature. Until the end of the next Night Phase, that Creature is immune to Spells and effects of that color. You may repeat this ability at the start of each Day phase that Mother of Runes is in play.

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

Welcome to Alisae's Professional Guide on How to PROPERLY Play Wolf

Thank you Micc for being a wonderful test dummy!

---

With this professional guide, I will teach you how to play Wolf properly in Project

M

afia! Let's get started!

　　　　　　　　　

Step 1: Attempting to dismantle townblocs at any chance possible.

Are you scum worried about town townblocing itself without you in it?
Are you afraid that page 5 townblocs will end your wolf randing mafia career?
Well fear not, I have the perfect solution for you!
All you have to do, is blatantly say I am against townblocing as shown, here

Trying to townblock on page 5 feels kinda insane to me.

I read the whole thread but most of it felt pretty meaningless. I'll be back when we can vote.

predit: oh look its mastina. looking forward to finally playing a game with you.

Upon doing this tactic ALONG with attempting to CALL OUT your scumbuddy in attempt to distance, you will prevent townblocs from ever forming again!!!!!!!!!

ok look its page 10, I get it, but its funny lol

　　　　　　　　　

Step 2: Picking Out your mislynch

To win as scum you have to lynch town. Mafia is a game where townies lunch

townies

wolves and wolves lynch

wolves

townies.
So you have to pick your mislynches in a way that helps achieve this goal.
And what a better way to start then picking the guy who's entrence mirrors yours completely!

This game is gunna be sweeeeeet.

This is absolutely scandalous.

Similar entries is a extremely scummy trait and is something that is always done by scum, so its easy to push!!!!!!!!

Blantant Misrepresentation but its funny lol

　　　　　　　　　

Step 3: Forming a Case

However, you can't push a mislynch if you don't have any thing to justify your push off of.
After all, when you push a "fact" you can then fall back on the justification you built up as a scapegoat.
Also pushing "facts" allows you to present good

IRONCLAD

reasoning.
Who cares about being right? You're a wolf!
You don't need to push reads!
Reads =/ Facts.

Luckily, you can use claims as shown here:

To my understanding, I have a very inconsistent way of acquiring mana. But primarily, two ways:

1) Not using my Planeswalker ability

2) I target someone with my Planeswalker ability. For 2 phases, I gain Mana the same way they would, and I gain their abilities. I can only do this once per dayphase.

I'm literally a temporary copy-cat.

As a good basis to push someone.
Especially if you are scared of that role and you want it gone as fast as possible.
Who needs waiting for the night to come, why not just lynch it!

Keep in mind that when you are forming your case, you have to twist the narative to not consider any town motivation.
Also, make sure the read is presented as a strong confident read, because people like to sheep those!
These things are done perfectly well here:

VOTE: Taly
I think this is a good place to start. I don't know how you get a role like the one he claimed and don't immediately think "hey I can use this to confirm other people's abilities when they claim them" as town. Like sure everyone's probably got access to reasonably powerful ability, but waiting for someone to get run up to L-1 and claim and then copying their ability to compare it to the claim seems like good value.

For the record I disagree with any theory argument that leads to claims from players not on L-1. Props to Chara for expressing importance of not being stupid.

You CAN attempt to stand it from a town PoV.
But you don't need to do that, you're a wolf after all!
Your job is to push mislynches!

　　　　　　　　　

Step 4: Pushing the lynch

Once you picked out your mislynch, you must attempt to turn everything they stated into something that is scummy!
Because you are a wolf, you can get away with having as many unorganic, unnatural, and agenda based reads as possible!
This is perfectly done here:

VOTE: Taly
I think this is a good place to start. I don't know how you get a role like the one he claimed and don't immediately think "hey I can use this to confirm other people's abilities when they claim them" as town. Like sure everyone's probably got access to reasonably powerful ability, but waiting for someone to get run up to L-1 and claim and then copying their ability to compare it to the claim seems like good value.

For the record I disagree with any theory argument that leads to claims from players not on L-1. Props to Chara for expressing importance of not being stupid.

How do you feel about the follow-up provided by Taly, after being questioned by Chara about this? That was also posted before you made this post, did you read it and ignored it, or missed it?

329 was terrible imo. The idea of claiming in order to spur discussion and interaction is gross. Wanting to give a public warning that his ability is ever changing and unpredictable is scum motivated preparation for later and further shows how he’s missing half the utility of the ability. Him showing uncertainty about Chara’s sarcasm and deciding to assume meaning instead of seeking clarification.

Yeah this is a good wagon. People should join.

Also when you are pushing your reads, you have to give as LITTLE to No content possible on anything else.
This is because attempting to fabricate reads and having to stick to them will come back to bite you when people analyze your PROGRESSION.
But when you DO form reads, make sure to shade as many people as possible as seen here:

@Micc: Why are you voting for Taly over Tibor? You've expressed dissatisfaction with both slots(agreeing with Venmars scum read on Tibor, which indicates agreement that there exists a more significant history of scummy actions than that which exists for Taly(since that history is based on a singular event)), and Tibor has more votes already...so why not put more pressure on the other scum read?

On a metric of scum pings per posts I’d say Taly is leading so that’s why I’m voting there now. And there’s like one vote on the Tibor hydra right now so the wagon size is pretty irrelevant.

If this is you saying you’re up for pressuring here then sure I guess I’m in. I think the reads in the catchup post and the Almost50 vote are kinda loose. The random theory question pointed at me is super ackward and I don’t see it’s purpose at all. They both gave at least partial indication that they thought Chara “lynch town day 1” strategy was serious and I kinda rolled my eyes at that.

stopping in to say Im not town reading maid café or alisae slot so me giving maid café a vote here is out of the question. Can confirm that making the green voting elemental is my ability and that I didn't make the one in currently in play.

I also skimmed at least 15 of those pages pretty quickly but intend to sit down and organize thoughts after work tonight. I don't get the maid café vote dancing and I want to understand it so if there's an explanation someone please quote it for me.

　　　　　　　　　

Step 5: Faking your Scumhunting

As a wolf, you have to look like you are scumhunting. To do this, you push mislynches, but occasionally you have to ask questions.
How do we counter such a boring habbit?
There are two methods!

The first method is to not care about the question.
If you ask random questions and hope that people will think they are "good questions" and have 0 interest in the question, you will look like you are scumhunting. This is seen here:

Micc, do you feel the need to have an intent to hammer to claim, or just L-1?

Whenever it becomes clear that that person is the lynch for the day if nothing changes. I don't think distinguishing between intent being called or not really matters.

That's my philosophy too. I ended up claiming fairly early by that logic as PR once.
~Lumia

Why did you feel this was relevant enough to ask me about?

alisae why is beeboy town?

The second method is to not care about the answer!
For example, if you are going to ask a quesiton, and the questionee provides an answer, make sure to discredit and/or scumread the answer to that question as much as possible.
As long as you have a response already made to the questionee's answer, then you are good to go. Just use that response no matter what answer they provide.
For exmaple, Micc asked me what do I think of Beeboy.
I provided my read, thinking he would not care about it, and he responds with this:

I would gladly answer this for you but I have 0 interest in working with you!

well that seems unnecessarily obtuse.

Also for those who I am willing to cooperate with
It's right here

@Bee - Ur probably town judging by post count cuz either you lurk early and Claire does the heavy lifting if you were scum

and this doesn't do anything for me. it being your only stated read besides sheeping beeboy on me just feels like a slap in the face.

I don't know why I thought joining a large where everybody else was buddy buddy with each other was a good idea.

This is a great example at asking loaded questions, as we can infer on how Micc responded, that he was planning on discredit the response no matter what, due to his prior scumread on Bee.

　　　　　　　　　

Conclusion

Thank you for reading my guide on how to play Wolf in Project

M

afia!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!1!11!!1
11!!1
!1
!!!!!!!11!!!1
11!1

Yup I'm sold on this idea now. The asking useless questions part helped me break my optimism completely.

btw I'm about to go to bed so I'll probably be stopping soon, I feel like progress was made though.

[Reasonably Rational]

A Enchantment Spell has been cast!!
Current Spells in play: (Champion of the Parish, Crusade) (Elemental) (Mother of Runes)

Crusade
Enchantment
ENCHANTMENT SPELLS MAY BE CAST DURING ANY PHASE. This spell costs two white mana to cast.
Enchantment spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game. Any time a White Creature votes for a player, an extra vote is added. Finally, I understand. Home isn't where you rest. It's what you fight for.

Interesting. So whoever controls the champion now has 3 votes. And if they play at least one more creature, they'll have 4 votes, or 6 votes if the creature they play can vote.

Tis a lot of votes.

-Cerb

[Purple Heart]

A Enchantment Spell has been cast!!
Current Spells in play: (Champion of the Parish, Crusade) (Elemental) (Mother of Runes)

Crusade
Enchantment
ENCHANTMENT SPELLS MAY BE CAST DURING ANY PHASE. This spell costs two white mana to cast.
Enchantment spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game. Any time a White Creature votes for a player, an extra vote is added. Finally, I understand. Home isn't where you rest. It's what you fight for.

Interesting. So whoever controls the champion now has 3 votes. And if they play at least one more creature, they'll have 4 votes, or 6 votes if the creature they play can vote.

Tis a lot of votes.

-Cerb

its not a Creature so its only 2 for now but if Micc gives the person who I think controls this a Creature it'll be 3 and it'll get pretty big pretty quickly.

[Maid Cafe]

That's pretty cool not gonna lie.

~B

[Purple Heart]

Oh wait misread lolme.

pedit: lolbee

[Reasonably Rational]

A Enchantment Spell has been cast!!
Current Spells in play: (Champion of the Parish, Crusade) (Elemental) (Mother of Runes)

Crusade
Enchantment
ENCHANTMENT SPELLS MAY BE CAST DURING ANY PHASE. This spell costs two white mana to cast.
Enchantment spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game. Any time a White Creature votes for a player, an extra vote is added. Finally, I understand. Home isn't where you rest. It's what you fight for.

Interesting. So whoever controls the champion now has 3 votes. And if they play at least one more creature, they'll have 4 votes, or 6 votes if the creature they play can vote.

Tis a lot of votes.

-Cerb

its not a Creature so its only 2 for now but if Micc gives the person who I think controls this a Creature it'll be 3 and it'll get pretty big pretty quickly.

They have their own vote as well, so 2 from the champion, +1 from themselves. And if they play one more creature, the champion will go up to 2 natively, +1 from crusade, plus their own. And if the creature can vote, the creature will add a minimum of 2 more votes, so that would be 6.

On the plus side, this is *probably* a town slot's set of stuff, unless it's difficult for them to gain mana, since otherwise generating 2+votes out of nowhere is a good way to force a lynch on someone as scum.

-Cerb

[Purple Heart]

They spent 3 mana this phase I doubt they have more.

[Reasonably Rational]

They spent 3 mana this phase I doubt they have more.

Irrelevant because both of these cards will still be around tomorrow, as well as one more card will be drawn by them, allowing(worst case) them to play 2 more creatures, if both can vote just once, that slot will be able to solo lynch people(3 from champion, +1 from each of the new creatures, for 5 total, +3 from crusade, up to 8, and their own vote won't even be needed).

JS.

-Cerb

[Purple Heart]

They spent 3 mana this phase I doubt they have more.

Irrelevant because both of these cards will still be around tomorrow, as well as one more card will be drawn by them, allowing(worst case) them to play 2 more creatures, if both can vote just once, that slot will be able to solo lynch people(3 from champion, +1 from each of the new creatures, for 5 total, +3 from crusade, up to 8, and their own vote won't even be needed).

JS.

-Cerb

Knowing how much mana they've spent during a phase isn't irrelevant?

[Reasonably Rational]

(though there is the rule that no slot can single handledly cause a lynch, so that wont happen, but if any votes are placed on anyone, they can jump on and finish them off without revealing who they are).

-Cerb

pedit: It's irrelevant in terms of gauging the ability of the slot to control lynches going forward.

[Purple Heart]

(though there is the rule that no slot can single handledly cause a lynch, so that wont happen, but if any votes are placed on anyone, they can jump on and finish them off without revealing who they are).

-Cerb

pedit: It's irrelevant in terms of gauging the ability of the slot to control lynches going forward.

Doubt that's their intention unless they are burning through their cards with the fear that their mana could be stolen and/or hand nuked. I feel like if that was their intention they would have played all of their combo pieces at once and then go for the kill.

[Reasonably Rational]

(though there is the rule that no slot can single handledly cause a lynch, so that wont happen, but if any votes are placed on anyone, they can jump on and finish them off without revealing who they are).

-Cerb

pedit: It's irrelevant in terms of gauging the ability of the slot to control lynches going forward.

Doubt that's their intention unless they are burning through their cards with the fear that their mana could be stolen and/or hand nuked. I feel like if that was their intention they would have played all of their combo pieces at once and then go for the kill.

Which is why I'm saying they're unlikely to be scum, but that doesn't change the fact that they're (probably) soon going to be capable of removing agency from everyone else.

-Cerb

[Purple Heart]

inb4 its cerb and he's trolling me

[Reasonably Rational]

If it were me I'd be saying the same things. ^^ I'd also be paralyzed with indecision with that much power. :p

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Also it's past midnight for Drixx and he isn't responding to my texts. Makes it seem unlikely I'll get to talk to him today, and we're both back to work tomorrow.

-Cerb

[Iconeum]

50!! pages to catch up to, give me a couple hours wtf

[Shining Dreamers]

So family night went pretty late (we're talking like 11 pm late), and I get up early (we're talking 6 am with it being 1 am right now), meaning I obviously don't have time to do so now.
No promises for any time date where I will.
I'm honestly swamped with work, is another reason why the idea was to let Yume drive in that I know I'm busy, so.

BUTSTILL.

Something I meant to post before I went to bed when I did my catchup--a readslist. I posted this in the PT (Yume can verify), but here it is in thread as promised.
Chara
OnTheMark

Bronya Zaychik

Dunnstral
Iconeum
Tibor and Lumia
Venmar
Micc
Almost50
SnarkySnowman

Creature (CAVEAT: need more time, could be much, much higher, will let you know when I can)


(YES THE GAP IS ACTUALLY THIS FUCKING HUGE)

Baku and Munna
Taly/Alisae
Maid Cafe
Reasonably Rational
Skybird

My expectation is that there is either 4 or 5 scum in the game. (5 is high but not impossible, so I'd rather be on the safe side and assume five as a precaution.)
Given that I have 5.5 scumreads, that's .5-1.5 too many, I know.
As it just so happens, and I said this in the PT, my scumreads happen to have a certain degree of mutual exclusivity to them. This is strongest in Skybird-Maid Cafe, in that while I firmly scumread both slots, I don't think they work as scumbuddies. In fact I am positive at least one is town. (And it's not impossible both are.)

[Shining Dreamers]

Knew I forgot a detail.
That 2267 is my readslist as of 1124. Bottom of page 45. I still need to read 46 onwards before I can give an updated readslist.
I'll catch up as I can.
I can't right now.

If Yume asks me to look at anything specific, pings me on any particular thing, or so on and so forth (e.g. it'd have been useful to know Mark-->Mathblade, she DID let me know that the Taly slot had become Alisae), then I will look at it, address it, so on and so forth. Otherwise, will remain reading chronologically, and mostly commenting in the PT. (At least that's the idea. I...admittedly have been using it less than promised, and using this thread more than I wanted to. Among other things, there's like dozens of Reasonably Rational posts which I found scum that I just didn't quote not even in there. And even of the ones I have quoted, only a fraction I've given my reasoning for. I SHOULD be giving it, but honestly the more behind I am the less inclined I am to give it since typing up reasoning = taking up time which I have precious little of.)

She DOES want my help (in our hydra PT she asked for advice), but I want to

help

her. Not

strangle

her. So, apologies, but behind closed doors is where most of my content will remain. (For instance, I made a comment in the PT that Gamma's strategy was much the same as what my intention this game is, rather than stating so out here; I need to be doing a lot more of that.)

[Dunnstral]

So family night went pretty late (we're talking like 11 pm late), and I get up early (we're talking 6 am with it being 1 am right now), meaning I obviously don't have time to do so now.
No promises for any time date where I will.
I'm honestly swamped with work, is another reason why the idea was to let Yume drive in that I know I'm busy, so.

BUTSTILL.

Something I meant to post before I went to bed when I did my catchup--a readslist. I posted this in the PT (Yume can verify), but here it is in thread as promised.
Chara
OnTheMark

Bronya Zaychik

Dunnstral
Iconeum
Tibor and Lumia
Venmar
Micc
Almost50
SnarkySnowman

Creature (CAVEAT: need more time, could be much, much higher, will let you know when I can)


(YES THE GAP IS ACTUALLY THIS FUCKING HUGE)

Baku and Munna
Taly/Alisae
Maid Cafe
Reasonably Rational
Skybird

My expectation is that there is either 4 or 5 scum in the game. (5 is high but not impossible, so I'd rather be on the safe side and assume five as a precaution.)
Given that I have 5.5 scumreads, that's .5-1.5 too many, I know.
As it just so happens, and I said this in the PT, my scumreads happen to have a certain degree of mutual exclusivity to them. This is strongest in Skybird-Maid Cafe, in that while I firmly scumread both slots, I don't think they work as scumbuddies. In fact I am positive at least one is town. (And it's not impossible both are.)

I'll take a look at Maid Cafe/Skybird tomorrow, my initial feeling is that Maid Cafe is town while I haven't looked at Skybird's posts (also this isn't me necessarily subscribing to the idea that 1 is scum)

[Purple Heart]

Mastina chances are we lynch you before you get fully caught up.

[Dunnstral]

Mastina chances are we lynch you before you get fully caught up.

Don't do this

[Purple Heart]

And I mean
As appealing as waiting for you to catch up is.
I don't feel like seeing multiple scumclaims from you over and over insisting that MC is scum with how you've been pushing them currently.

[Purple Heart]

Mastina chances are we lynch you before you get fully caught up.

Don't do this

I AM DOING THIS.
IT IS HAPPENING

[Purple Heart]

Like Dunn
I am not entertaining a scum!beeboy or a scum!maki and neither should you or anyone in the game for that matter unless you want to openwolf like mastina and Micc.
Especially with how disingenuously Mastina pushed beeboy.