Mother of Runes has Protection from Black.
Spells in play: (Champion of the Parish, Crusade) (Elemental) (Mother of Runes)
Spoiler: List of all Spells in play
Champion of the Parish
Creature
CREATURE SPELLS MAY BE CAST DURING ANY PHASE.
THIS SPELL COSTS one White mana to cast.
Creature spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game.
This creature gains votes equal to the number of creatures you control.
This creature's total casting cost is equal to the number of creatures you control.
I stand for every cobbler, tamer, and fool in this town--and they stand for me.
Crusade
Enchantment
ENCHANTMENT SPELLS MAY BE CAST DURING ANY PHASE.
This spell costs two white mana to cast.
Enchantment spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game.
Any time a White Creature votes for a player, an extra vote is added.
Finally, I understand. Home isn't where you rest.
It's what you fight for.
Elemental
Creature
Creature spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game.
This Creature may vote.
Mother of Runes
Creature
Creature SPELLS MAY BE CAST DURING ANY PHASE.
This spell costs one White mana to cast.
Creature spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game.
When you cast this Spell, choose a color and target a Creature.
Until the end of the next Night Phase, that Creature is immune to Spells and effects of that color.
You may repeat this ability at the start of each Day phase that Mother of Runes is in play.
Last edited by Varsoon on Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:53 am, edited 1 time in total.
where one of us gave any kind of reads early, and in that game we were a 3rd party who town could win with if the win happened fast enough or who otherwise won alone, and we played that game specifically to win with town and accomplished that goal. That's not
exactly
good meta to point at that and ask why we're not doing that again ... unless you believe this is another Varsoon game with 3 factions AND believe we're in the faction that isn't explicitly scum.
I mean ... you could make that argument but I'm pretty sure you would be wrong. Just cool your jets until we hear from Varsoon and dump some stuff for consideration.
In case it wasn't really obvious from the previous post: in Protomen we were partially informed and I (against Cerb's wishes if I recall correctly) ran with a crazy gambit and then somehow made it work. So if you're really evaluating us on a meta basis, you actually have weak evidence that we're not {partially?} informed.
For every 48 hours that pass during the Day phase, we may guess about any non-public aspect of this setup.
We are informed if we are correct in our guess.
All guesses must be declaring that something is extant in the setup.
We may not guess about player-specific information (alignment, role, actions, etc.).
We may not guess about the same aspect of the setup twice in one Day phase.
No effect in the game will interfere with the accuracy of the mod's response to our guesses.
We have made 3 guesses so far.
The first was that there exists a means by which players can gain access to more mana than just that which their role card gives them access to. That guess was correct.
The second was that there exists a Sparkbearer role which investigates as The End in this game. That was incorrect.
The third was that The End has access to factional abilities beyond their kill. That was also correct.
The above is the thing that SS is welcome to lie detect.
It's also the reason why I was annoyed at Chara. There was no loss of a resource in checking them, but it does mean that we can't ask any other role related questions today because we spent our role related question confirming that they weren't a miller.
The reason why it took so long was because we wanted to make sure the way we were rephrasing parts of our role PM(pretty minimal, just swapping out the word "You" for "We" was acceptablet o Varsoon.
Also, Varsoon screwed up on the miller question, and says he should not have answered it as presented, because it does specifically call out the alignment of a slot. He should have declined to answer, and forced me to rephrase it as "Does a role exist that regardless of their alignment will investigate as The End"
Anyways, the part where you guys get involved is..........what do we ask next??? We have a question waiting to be used!
We have already asked questions about "Scum Factional Abilities", "Roles in the game", and "Mana Generation"
Cerb and I are divided about Chara. I don't see any town motive to fake claim Miller. There are only two possible outcomes to claiming miller when you aren't a milller:
1.) Any actual miller in the game counterclaims and "best" case (for the fake claimer) is a 1-for-1 trade.
1a.) A town player doing this costs the town two days and uses up two mislynches. Fucking awful.
2.) There is no miller and said person gets to ride out the game assumed to be honest.
2a.) I don't believe the whole "Crusade against millers must be lynched before M/LYLO" explanation.
In short: I think we have scum.
Also ... Varsoon clarified something. His answer is really to the question "Is there any role that has an ability besides its normal alignment that would make it investigate as scum?" -- We're not actually allowed to ask the question the way Cerb wanted to, since the wording Cerb used restricted the question to just town. Varsoon was very specific in the question he actually answered, and I put that in quotation marks ... just for clarity.
, 2455 - is that an ability, because I don't see a post of
Varsoon
saying people can have guesses?
~ Taly
Yes, that is the claim about our role that we wanted to make and have available as something SS could lie detect, so people could then get involved in helping us maximize the information we can gain about the setup.
In post 2462, Maid Cafe wrote:"Does there exist a role that can steal someones vote"
I want A50 to retract or for that to be answered.
~B
Can't ask it today, because we already asked a question about roles in the game.
We could do it tomorrow though!
Might be better options in the realm of roles though, but it's a good question if you really don't trust A50 on that, since he never verified it.
Why do you think he would have lied about that?
-Cerb
pedit: we would have, except a lie detector and a role cop already exist, so scum already know they can't get away with fake claims made in public. Unless those slots are both scum, of course.
, 2455 - is that an ability, because I don't see a post of
Varsoon
saying people can have guesses?
~ Taly
Yes, that is the claim about our role that we wanted to make and have available as something SS could lie detect, so people could then get involved in helping us maximize the information we can gain about the setup.
-Cerb
Why the claim now, though? To reinforce your read on
, 2455 - is that an ability, because I don't see a post of
Varsoon
saying people can have guesses?
~ Taly
Yes, that is the claim about our role that we wanted to make and have available as something SS could lie detect, so people could then get involved in helping us maximize the information we can gain about the setup.
-Cerb
Why the claim now, though? To reinforce your read on
Chara
?
~ Taly
Two reasons.
1) We're too widely townread, and we wanted there to be a reason for scum to think we may be protected, to minimize the chance of us getting shot at.
2) To allow us to share the information we have freely with the town.
, 2455 - is that an ability, because I don't see a post of
Varsoon
saying people can have guesses?
~ Taly
Yes, that is the claim about our role that we wanted to make and have available as something SS could lie detect, so people could then get involved in helping us maximize the information we can gain about the setup.
-Cerb
Why the claim now, though? To reinforce your read on
Chara
?
~ Taly
Two reasons.
1) We're too widely townread, and we wanted there to be a reason for scum to think we may be protected, to minimize the chance of us getting shot at.
2) To allow us to share the information we have freely with the town.
-Cerb
3) So I didn't need to keep fighting with people about letting the day go long.
Well, that cleared up most questions I had on your playstyle so far in this game.
Is
Chara
your biggest scumread at the moment?
In light of
Alisae
taking a short break, I'm going to reevaluate some reads because I dislike the stagnation of the gamestate. Furthermore; this hydra's current scumreads and pushes have not even messaged in the game, and it's frustrating.
I hate short posts like these, but there's severe weather happening tonight where I live, so my posting size and time will be inconsistent.
Well, that cleared up most questions I had on your playstyle so far in this game.
Is
Chara
your biggest scumread at the moment?
In light of
Alisae
taking a short break, I'm going to reevaluate some reads because I dislike the stagnation of the gamestate. Furthermore; this hydra's current scumreads and pushes have not even messaged in the game, and it's frustrating.
I hate short posts like these, but there's severe weather happening tonight where I live, so my posting size and time will be inconsistent.
~ Taly
I believe Chara is the only scumread any part of this hydra has, however, we're torn on that. I dislike bringing dissonance into play when hydraing, so forgive me if I'd rather not go into further detail on this until Drixx and I come to agreement.
Well, that cleared up most questions I had on your playstyle so far in this game.
Is
Chara
your biggest scumread at the moment?
In light of
Alisae
taking a short break, I'm going to reevaluate some reads because I dislike the stagnation of the gamestate. Furthermore; this hydra's current scumreads and pushes have not even messaged in the game, and it's frustrating.
I hate short posts like these, but there's severe weather happening tonight where I live, so my posting size and time will be inconsistent.
~ Taly
I believe Chara is the only scumread any part of this hydra has, however, we're torn on that. I dislike bringing dissonance into play when hydraing, so forgive me if I'd rather not go into further detail on this until Drixx and I come to agreement.
-Cerb
It kind of now is in Chara's hands. They have to make a reasonable explanation for why town would fake claim miller. Perhaps we overlooked some reason ... but the whole idea of doing it to make some meta-point doesn't convince me.
In post 2459, Reasonably Rational wrote:1.) Any actual miller in the game counterclaims and "best" case (for the fake claimer) is a 1-for-1 trade.
1a.) A town player doing this costs the town two days and uses up two mislynches. Fucking awful.
2.) There is no miller and said person gets to ride out the game assumed to be honest.
2a.) I don't believe the whole "Crusade against millers must be lynched before M/LYLO" explanation.
1) there's no bad case here. any miller should claim anyway. i would have retracted.
1a.) no mislynches. at most it would be me getting lynched, but that wouldn't happen.
2) this isn't an argument against town doing so, and i investigate as town so i can't ride out anything. :>
2a.) that wasn't my explanation for why i did it. i haven't explained why i did it.
"Sibling," Farkran asked, starting slowly.
"The CORE is full of lasers, and Chemist1422's entire existence depends on her eye. If she looks into a laser, she will almost certainly die. Did you think about that?"
"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
where'd you get the impression i did it because of a meta-point, Drixx?
i did it because i wanted to be scumread. that's the reason. i decided that i wasn't going to be mislynched for it because scum buddy me and i can reliably obvtown to most kinds of players, so it seemed an alright risk to take. it's too bad your role-related question was wasted because of it, but i don't think the tradeoff was that bad.
"Sibling," Farkran asked, starting slowly.
"The CORE is full of lasers, and Chemist1422's entire existence depends on her eye. If she looks into a laser, she will almost certainly die. Did you think about that?"
"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
In post 2458, Reasonably Rational wrote:Anyways, the part where you guys get involved is..........what do we ask next??? We have a question waiting to be used!
We have already asked questions about "Scum Factional Abilities", "Roles in the game", and "Mana Generation"
can you ask about scum involvement with plane selection, or do we already know they're responsible?
"Sibling," Farkran asked, starting slowly.
"The CORE is full of lasers, and Chemist1422's entire existence depends on her eye. If she looks into a laser, she will almost certainly die. Did you think about that?"
"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
