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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:17 am

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In post 15, ejjinami wrote:and I'd like everyone to answer a few questions:
1) How many games have you played?
2) Name your
-best scum game
-normal scum game
-best town game
-normal town game
Doesn't matter if it's on this site or on another one. Links could be helpful, but if it's on this site I guess I could find the game myself.
3) What do you enjoy most about playing mafia?
4) Can you say a few words about how you usually play? Like, say what ever you think you should say, how would you describe your usual game?

credits to xUltiix (not from this site), from whom I have blatantly stolen the 2 first questions from. thx dude, btw.
that's alot of questions.
You that guy with a meta folder for each players?
Anyway
1. probably 4 in this site
2. Only have 1 scum game here
But it's a perfect win so you could call it my best
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=75123
As for my town game just look for it here
3. Do you really need this question?
I just like killing people

4. I play risky
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:27 am

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In post 36, soulshade55r wrote:Very productive day.
In post 38, ejjinami wrote:and
In post 32, ejjinami wrote:
In post 31, soulshade55r wrote:Early scum reads are trashy, but I can understand why.

What do you understand?
this was not a rhetorical question. talk a bit please
this persistence could be bus tbh
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:30 am

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Fritters is still a scumbutt
Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.
I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:37 am

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I just realize that I subbed in a game with players who talks in paragraphs
This is gonna be a pain
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:52 am

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In post 43, ejjinami wrote:
In post 40, 2Create wrote:
In post 27, schadd_ wrote:
In post 16, soulshade55r wrote: 4) people normally scum read me all the time even when I am Town so probably badly :c
oh hey!
What do you mean by this? Are you saying you're scumreading soul already? If not, I have no idea what you could mean. You're being a bit ambiguous here.
If you are saying that soul is being scummy however, allow me to disagree. Let's actually pull up the thing you quoted earlier before you put the vote on:
In post 8, soulshade55r wrote: Like your random voting style c: I'm bad at starting up so I'm gonna just wait until something comes up.
I can understand why that's not great play, but I can't understand why you would find such a thing scummy. Surely scum wouldn't say such a thing? It attracts the wrong kind of attention. Sure, lurking is a valid scum strategy.
Saying
you're going to lurk is not, in my opinion. Especially so early on, when you could easily just keep under the radar for a little bit before jumping in when some discussion has already taken place.
I would not call this a towntell at all, but it's also not a scumtell.
/free townread for overanalyzing the post and adding your own motivation to it. Like, idk what he meant by the “oh hey!”, but the fact you already started to analyze it is townie.
And I agree about soul. I played less than a day with him but I think I can say he is exactly the type to do stuff like that as town. I think he might really feel he’s a bad player, so his “running away from playing” shouldn’t be scumread (especially if there was no pressure on him and he did it totally on his own).
Like, that post was NAI for him.
You could just rephrase "overanalyzing" to "nitpicking" or being overprotective. He doesn't really need to overanalyze two words you could even pour some wine on his reasons why soul's posting is nai but if he did it to push the game forward I get it.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:55 am

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Hello Shattiel! Welcome.
In post 67, Draynth wrote:the fact that you appeared to be trying to legitimately justifying the vote is what I find strange (ignoring the logic itself)
Why do you think so?
In post 72, Shattiel wrote:This forced post is scummy
Why? So you think it's LAMIST just as Ejji suggested?
In post 76, Shattiel wrote:
In post 36, soulshade55r wrote:Very productive day.
In post 38, ejjinami wrote:and
In post 32, ejjinami wrote:
In post 31, soulshade55r wrote:Early scum reads are trashy, but I can understand why.

What do you understand?
this was not a rhetorical question. talk a bit please
this persistence could be bus tbh
I don't understand what the fluffpost you quoted has to do with that.
That aside, it is a bit of an odd interaction. I also think the question Ejji asked is sort of weird.
Let's see... Soul, what do you think that question means? And why did you ignore it?
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:58 am

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In post 45, ejjinami wrote:
In post 40, 2Create wrote: My reason for putting Rei in scum is posting a complete non-answer to Ejji's question 4. Seriously, it doesn't get any more non-answer than that.
Rei contributes?
Rei tries her best to be good, but might not be very good??
Rei is friendly, but can also be unfriendly if paranoid???
This is a lot of words, but it tells us literally nothing.
Again, disagree. It tells what she most remembers about the games… like, idk what to write here, cuz I really think it was good.

and @rei, when writing the answers did you mean “unfriendly when paranoid” or “sometimes paranoid, but uncorrelated with being friendly”?
oh if ejji is scum then this post right here is him buddying rei
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:59 am

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In post 79, Shattiel wrote:
In post 43, ejjinami wrote:
In post 40, 2Create wrote:
In post 27, schadd_ wrote:
In post 16, soulshade55r wrote: 4) people normally scum read me all the time even when I am Town so probably badly :c
oh hey!
What do you mean by this? Are you saying you're scumreading soul already? If not, I have no idea what you could mean. You're being a bit ambiguous here.
If you are saying that soul is being scummy however, allow me to disagree. Let's actually pull up the thing you quoted earlier before you put the vote on:
In post 8, soulshade55r wrote: Like your random voting style c: I'm bad at starting up so I'm gonna just wait until something comes up.
I can understand why that's not great play, but I can't understand why you would find such a thing scummy. Surely scum wouldn't say such a thing? It attracts the wrong kind of attention. Sure, lurking is a valid scum strategy.
Saying
you're going to lurk is not, in my opinion. Especially so early on, when you could easily just keep under the radar for a little bit before jumping in when some discussion has already taken place.
I would not call this a towntell at all, but it's also not a scumtell.
/free townread for overanalyzing the post and adding your own motivation to it. Like, idk what he meant by the “oh hey!”, but the fact you already started to analyze it is townie.
And I agree about soul. I played less than a day with him but I think I can say he is exactly the type to do stuff like that as town. I think he might really feel he’s a bad player, so his “running away from playing” shouldn’t be scumread (especially if there was no pressure on him and he did it totally on his own).
Like, that post was NAI for him.
You could just rephrase "overanalyzing" to "nitpicking" or being overprotective. He doesn't really need to overanalyze two words you could even pour some wine on his reasons why soul's posting is nai but if he did it to push the game forward I get it.
@ejjinami
I'm not trying to run away, I'm just no good with long posts, I'm either thinking you're smart scum or decent town right now not too short, but the long post about your fm history could be just a use to make yourself townie.

I'm sorry If I'm not the smartest when it comes to FM, I'll try my best to get us too win.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:00 am

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*Not too sure.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:02 am

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In post 80, 2Create wrote:
In post 72, Shattiel wrote:This forced post is scummy
Why? So you think it's LAMIST just as Ejji suggested?
In post 76, Shattiel wrote:
In post 36, soulshade55r wrote:Very productive day.
In post 38, ejjinami wrote:and
In post 32, ejjinami wrote:
In post 31, soulshade55r wrote:Early scum reads are trashy, but I can understand why.

What do you understand?
this was not a rhetorical question. talk a bit please
this persistence could be bus tbh
I don't understand what the fluffpost you quoted has to do with that.
That aside, it is a bit of an odd interaction. I also think the question Ejji asked is sort of weird.
Let's see... Soul, what do you think that question means? And why did you ignore it?
kinda it's a bad opening.
The soul quote is just a misclick
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:05 am

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In post 46, ejjinami wrote:
In post 41, Rei wrote: To me this question doesn't really tell anything, and it could be spun into multiple different meanings. You said "there's a lot of words but it literally tells nothing" but what did you expect it to tell really?
…you know that’s one of the reasons I posted it? xD Like, I’m still quite sure no one except me here will bother trying to fortune-tell from those posts.
And lol, it was not useless. I’m kinda glad you think that way though.
I'd like to hear what you got from it
I just skipped everyones answer to that question tbh
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:05 am

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Which question did Ejji Ask?
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:08 am

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In post 47, ejjinami wrote:
In post 41, Rei wrote:
I genuinely find it strange how out of my words you got that I was scum.
Very strange.
How is it a "non-answer"?
What makes this even stranger is that you picked the one question that to me doesn't really mean anything. Anyone can lie about how they play, especially a newbie like me whose gameplay isn't known here, and make it seem like their wolf gameplay is absolutely different from what they're doing now. To me this question doesn't really tell anything, and it could be spun into multiple different meanings.
You said "there's a lot of words but it literally tells nothing" but what did you expect it to tell really? Also if you don't like my answer to that question so much, did you like the other answers? What did they tell you then? I'd like to know.

That's very strange as well considering your only answer to no.4 was that you have "an eye for detail" whatever that means.

I don't really mind being sused and it's happened to me a lot, but I'd like there to at least be sensible reasoning behind it not some nitpicking.

And yes I'm not afraid of calling out people who sus me for illogical reasons

so VOTE: 2create why aren't you voting me if I'm scum to you already?
…..I kinda get the feeling it’s a little over the top as for scummates. So as for d1, I’d say 2cre&rei shouldn’t be the team.
you just townread both of them earlier..
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:29 am

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In post 53, ejjinami wrote:
In post 48, 2Create wrote: Wow holy shit, are you really doing this? Big FOS.
Have you heard of OMGUS? Because this is pretty much it, save for the fact that I didn't actually vote you.
You know, I thought about doing it, but I decided that reads this early on aren't so reliable as to make that worthwhile.
I also dislike voting, and I didn't see the need to put any pressure on, because all I really did was ask you to elaborate. But you're slowly changing my mind by making my read on you more reliable.

Okay, let's pick apart your post now.

I already said why it's a non-answer, so I'm going to skip over that. Next up is your question why I picked the answers to that particular question to dissect.
The answer is simple. Questions 1 and 2 are meta. Question 3 is irrelevant. Question 4 is neither of those things.
Yes, people can lie about how they play. But if someone plays substantially different than what they've said, that's weird, right? So the answer to that question might actually have some repercussions, such as forcing people to be more active. It's a bad thing to say you're a lurker. It's also a bad thing to say you're an active scum hunter and then lurk. So in a sense, getting people to actually go into a bit of detail here might well be a good thing.

As for what I expected it to tell? Not much, really? Just a general outline of your playstyle. That's not a hard thing to accomplish. But what you're doing is not even that. In fact, I'm not even that concerned with the actual answer, just with the way you chose to answer it. Everyone else has given at least something to go by, and moreover, they've been succinct about it.
This is where we get to your post. There has been no one who's said as little while seeming to say as much. And this is a scummy thing. Often, scum will try to dodge questions by seeming to answer them, while giving a non-answer. This is not an important question by any stretch of the imagination, but the fact that you're doing it at all is suspicious.

No comment on the "eye for detail" thing, since I've elaborated in the very post you quoted, and also since it's a lot more substantive than what you have posted. With my answer at least, you might get suspicious of me if I miss or ignore too many obvious tells. With yours, all bets are off.

Good luck finding more than minor reasons for a scumread halfway on page 2 by the way. You've made 2 posts before that. What do you really think I have to go on? I've said with as many words that my reads are not reliable this early on. Why are you making such a big deal out of being placed on my scumlist? Seems like a knee-jerk reaction, which I don't look fondly on, hence my OMGUS accusation.

I'll get to your posts soon, Ejji. Just wanted to get this out of the way first.
agree with Dray, that's a bit of an overreaction... and the last part is kinda defensive... but lol, the main part of the post was "your opinion is stupid", not "and what did you expect from me?", so I don't really think this should be scumread...
ejji's been ticking my scum radar.
"overreaction" "kinda defensive" "I don't really think this should be scumread... " - how is these words you describe his posts shouldn't be a scumread?
And you said "your opinion is stupid" - isn't this considered a deflection?

The way I see it you just threw some shade at rei while you townread him.

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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:31 am

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In post 31, soulshade55r wrote:Early scum reads are trashy, but I can understand why.
tell me then, why did i vote you?
In post 40, 2Create wrote:
In post 27, schadd_ wrote: 4) i try to be concise and i try to engage with people in ways that aren't obvious. i tend to think that most of the most valuable pieces of information are in things people didn't expect to be important. generally people have an easy time calling me town
What kind of inobvious ways?
for instance i will ask u a question and expect something specific other than the answer, etc
In post 40, 2Create wrote:
In post 27, schadd_ wrote:
In post 16, soulshade55r wrote: 4) people normally scum read me all the time even when I am Town so probably badly :c
oh hey!
What do you mean by this? Are you saying you're scumreading soul already? If not, I have no idea what you could mean. You're being a bit ambiguous here.
he said people scumread him all the time and i was doing that which i thought was neat

would there be a reason other than me scumreading him that i would vote soul?
In post 63, 2Create wrote:
For your convenience: Abbreviations!


...
this post is trying to interface with rei in a way i found super town, it's like trying to help/de-escalate
In post 68, Draynth wrote:VOTE: Unvote

We're moving out of RVS, and Rei feels like newbTown to me right now
is there anything in particular that you can point to for this


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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:32 am

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In post 86, soulshade55r wrote:Which question did Ejji Ask?
In post 38, ejjinami wrote:
In post 31, soulshade55r wrote:Early scum reads are trashy, but I can understand why.

What do you understand?
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:55 am

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Caught up now..
Draynth is probably town
Rei could go either way
Not sure about soul could be faking his town meta
Not_Mafia isnt doing anything so he's probably town

Where I'm at right now. Still have to backread later. I skipped some textwalls
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:53 am

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In post 80, 2Create wrote:
In post 67, Draynth wrote:the fact that you appeared to be trying to legitimately justifying the vote is what I find strange (ignoring the logic itself)
Why do you think so?
Because he went on to say it was a part of RVS
why try to justify it with a 'legitimate' reason (I've said already why I think the logic is incorrect either way) if it's just a random vote
In post 89, schadd_ wrote:
In post 68, Draynth wrote:VOTE: Unvote

We're moving out of RVS, and Rei feels like newbTown to me right now
is there anything in particular that you can point to for this
Gut, mostly.
Obviously that's pretty useless for all of you so I'll try to solidify my gut feeling into something tangible
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:49 am

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In post 89, schadd_ wrote:
In post 31, soulshade55r wrote:Early scum reads are trashy, but I can understand why.
tell me then, why did i vote you?
Guessing you want to pressure me? I don't know why else maybe you're scum reading me.
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:22 pm

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In post 79, Shattiel wrote:You could just rephrase "overanalyzing" to "nitpicking" or being overprotective. He doesn't really need to overanalyze two words you could even pour some wine on his reasons why soul's posting is nai but if he did it to push the game forward I get it.
I understood it more as him being overdiligent and trying to seriously analyze a post he himself didn’t even understand. I did that a lot as town in my first games, but I started cutting it out when I realized people aren’t even reading it... -_- I think I already said sth about it.
I got the feeling 2cre’s motivation could have been same, especially since he said he’s proud of his “eye for details”. This might be his town behavior. And since the reasoning really didn’t make sense, I don’t think scum would be as likely to fake that.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:27 pm

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In post 82, soulshade55r wrote:@ejjinami
I'm not trying to run away, I'm just no good with long posts, I'm either thinking you're smart scum or decent town right now not too short, but the long post about your fm history could be just a use to make yourself townie.

I'm sorry If I'm not the smartest when it comes to FM, I'll try my best to get us too win.
Well, you kinda are running away from answering my questions, aren’t you? -_- I was not asking you to write long posts, you could have answered shortly. But seriously, just answer. It’s kinda frustrating to see that after a day of waiting for you to answer some questions, you come in with a pure fluff post, ignore everything and go away. Just don’t do that, it’s rude.
The stuff I asked you about were:
ejjinami wrote:can you include the other site too? Like, the meta is still the same so I don't see the point of excluding it.
...and it can't really harm you to do it? so please?
[…]
In post 31, soulshade55r wrote:Early scum reads are trashy, but I can understand why.

What do you understand?

and please answer my previous question. I'd really appreciate some games from you.
btw, idk if you realize, but stuff like "the town cop game" doesn't really give me much info. Even if you don't wanna give links, a name of the game would be good.
[…]
In post 36, soulshade55r wrote:Very productive day.
why are you against saying anything about your previous games?
Btw, shadd asked the “what do you understand” question in a better way, so just answer his question. It’s the same stuff anyways.

EDIT: noticed your answer to his post. :/
In the 1-st post, you said sth like: “I understand why you’re thinking I’m scummy”, so my and his questions said: “what do you think he thought was scummy about you?”
That was not a pressure question. …..well, ok, it kinda was, but still, answer please. If it was a fluff post, don’t really do that again.
And you do realize the “I know I’m bad” conviction might harm your development? :/ like, lol. trying to change it might be good, even if you don't actually get better
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:29 pm

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In post 85, Shattiel wrote:
In post 46, ejjinami wrote:
In post 41, Rei wrote: To me this question doesn't really tell anything, and it could be spun into multiple different meanings. You said "there's a lot of words but it literally tells nothing" but what did you expect it to tell really?
…you know that’s one of the reasons I posted it? xD Like, I’m still quite sure no one except me here will bother trying to fortune-tell from those posts.
And lol, it was not useless. I’m kinda glad you think that way though.
I'd like to hear what you got from it
I just skipped everyones answer to that question tbh
Honestly, I think the 3-rd question was the best, but that’s probably just because it’s connected to the way I like to read people. If you want to, after someone dies, I can write what did I get from their answer, but in return re-answer seriously please. It's a good deal, I'll satisfy your curiosity, and you'll just waste a few minutes.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:34 pm

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In post 87, Shattiel wrote:
In post 47, ejjinami wrote: …..I kinda get the feeling it’s a little over the top as for scummates. So as for d1, I’d say 2cre&rei shouldn’t be the team.
you just townread both of them earlier..
I didn’t townread rei. :/ I was thinking if based on that post I should, but I’m not sure cuz even as scum, I think she could get normally mad. Like, even as scum she could think the scumread on her was bulshit… but if 2cre was her teammate, I think she wouldn’t have yelled at him as much.
And honestly, that has nothing to do with me townreading 2cre. I am doing that, but it would seriously be stupid to throw away analisys just because of that. and like, it isn't even that strong. -_-
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:37 pm

Post by ejjinami »

In post 88, Shattiel wrote:
In post 53, ejjinami wrote: agree with Dray, that's a bit of an overreaction... and the last part is kinda defensive... but lol, the main part of the post was "your opinion is stupid", not "and what did you expect from me?", so I don't really think this should be scumread...
ejji's been ticking my scum radar.
"overreaction" "kinda defensive" "I don't really think this should be scumread... " - how is these words you describe his posts shouldn't be a scumread?
And you said "your opinion is stupid" - isn't this considered a deflection?

The way I see it you just threw some shade at rei while you townread him.

VOTE: ejjinami
no, this post could be considered defensive, but I’m not sure if it was caused by stress, or was it just anger. The bigger part seemed to be anger (“the arguments are stupid!”), the lesser part was stress/defense/deflection (“what did you expect from me?”).
So I don’t think I can tell if the post came from scum getting stressed and going defensive.
Lol, the arguments sound kinda bullshit, but anyways, I’m not confident in scumreading it. -_-

Btw, does that mean you’re scumreading him cause of that post?
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:02 pm

Post by Shattiel »

In post 94, ejjinami wrote:
In post 79, Shattiel wrote:You could just rephrase "overanalyzing" to "nitpicking" or being overprotective. He doesn't really need to overanalyze two words you could even pour some wine on his reasons why soul's posting is nai but if he did it to push the game forward I get it.
I understood it more as him being overdiligent and trying to seriously analyze a post he himself didn’t even understand. I did that a lot as town in my first games, but I started cutting it out when I realized people aren’t even reading it... -_- I think I already said sth about it.
I got the feeling 2cre’s motivation could have been same, especially since he said he’s proud of his “eye for details”. This might be his town behavior. And since the reasoning really didn’t make sense, I don’t think scum would be as likely to fake that.
Your town meta isn't the same as his town meta -.-
"This might be his town behavior"
- don't use might when talking about meta. Dont even try to go there if you're not sure.
"And since the reasoning really didn’t make sense,"
- this isn't what you said when you quoted his post earlier. You said
"I agree about soul"

You agreeing with people to get on their good side?
You say "shouldn't be a scumread/not a scumread"
So who do you scumread? You don't want to play mr.nice and townread everyone
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