VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[OnTheMark]

Playing scum is about controlling perception.
Take a look at my scum meta in Shadowrun.

I controlled the perception.

Shadowrun >> Scum doesn’t full claim d1. Except I did to assure JaeReed I was town and then people started dropping pants. Scum doesn’t invent a code so “scum” don’t know about things. Except I did so I never had to worry about cross docs. Scum wouldn’t tell the truth about mechanics. Except I did because it resulted in mislynches when the group perception was bad.

Anytime someone says scum wouldn’t do this my alarm bells go up to 50.

[OnTheMark]

Along those lines I would like to know is
Did anyone have flavor and/or role information for someone besides themselves or someone of the same alignment before 5 minutes into D1 and after the distribution of role PMs?

[Maid Cafe]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Might as well let a replacement happen.

~B

[OnTheMark]

That question may require smoothing since it’s a compound question.

Another good one would be did scum choose anything during pregame?

So then when we get a scum flip is there some choice we can analyze.

[Almost50]

@Chara: I said you get TR'd for doing it THIS TIME. Obviously you don't get any Town cred in any future game(s) in which you do something similar because that would be "knowingly banking on a previous example".

[Almost50]

VOTE: Gamma

If Sky isn't going through this one is as good for me.

[Maid Cafe]

@alisae what your thoughts on doing this?

~B

[Gamma Emerald]

What the shit? When did I become the hot topic?

[Reasonably Rational]

See I think I finally realized why I am having a hard time with RR read on the drive home.

I feel like to excuse the analogy RR is kinda like an infomercial. Like he’s saying things in order for me to buy into him being town.

Like here have a lie detect check. So? He could have known that was in the game before hand. Furthermore even if that stemmed is the truth it doesn’t make it not premeditated on his part.

Like for a buy it now ad on TV. They have testimonials and show the product off. Like “look at all these customers satisfied by the Snuggie. It can’t be wrong.” That’s what I feel RR is doing. I just don’t know how to explain a feeling.

You basically think we're doing what we did in SU2 with our claim. That's understandable.

-Cerb

[Bronya Zaychik]

If he is, the proper thing though is to force him to eliminate paranoia and see how town roles interact. For instance, based on the amount of double voting perhaps scum have a lynchproof player or there is a lynchproof mechanic.

I fought RR's D1 lynch because I felt his town utility was OP. He has that feature. Look at that perspective.

~Titus

[OnTheMark]

If he is, the proper thing though is to force him to eliminate paranoia and see how town roles interact. For instance, based on the amount of double voting perhaps scum have a lynchproof player or there is a lynchproof mechanic.

I fought RR's D1 lynch because I felt his town utility was OP. He has that feature. Look at that perspective.

~Titus

I could see that if roles were alignment dependent.

But they aren’t.

And the key problem is no person can eliminate paranoia because of it.

Sure he can do what I say, but is it what I need? And no one can force powers to be used a certain way. If someone could scum would be two steps ahead. That’s the issue I have. Cerb called it a smoking gun. I just don’t see it.

[Reasonably Rational]

What did I call a smoking gun??

Titus, clever question suggestions?

-Cerb

[OnTheMark]

Hell I am damn near close to vanilla with the sheer luck I would have to have to get mana and no I am not sharing what. So that means scum will keep me alive which means I have to figure out whether it’s a car salesman or my best friend.

[Reasonably Rational]

Oh! And to everyone suggesting finding out if scum have something or not, that's not possible, unless it's via a scum factional. I can check if x exists in the game, unrelated to alignment....so I can't use the qualifier of "do scum have"

I have to ask if it exists period within roles/cards.

-Cerb

[OnTheMark]

So, Venmar, why now and not earlier?

-Cerb

because it's silly now

eh i think im going to change my vote to the guy that has been all voice and... that's it

vote: reasonably rational

BUT CAN I INTEREST YOU
IN MICC?

for 2 anime coins, maybe

Reasonably Rational will never get majority.

I agree with the read but it’s a horrible vote.

You and I will never outspeak Cerb. Unless someone well liked and respected hops on the wagon is done, unfortunately.

Plus I have an ace up my sleeve! Though mastina slot is already on the wagon! But mastina head probably isn't the one that placed the vote. :p

-Cerb

You literally can’t. There is no role that provides an ace up the sleeve. It’s why I don’t give a shit about what people claim. There is no deck or rational basis. Roles are not alignment indicative.

Hell you could be a scum with what would be the scum equivalent of an IC and just claim IC. Until and unless a moderator confirms someone as town I don’t give a monkey’s butt what you claim I don’t care about mechanics in terms of alignment. So no you don’t have an ace and if you believe you do save it don’t fucking talk about it now.

\Actually, I think I might be lynchable today, if I didn't speak again. I think total number of players-expressed townreads=lynch threshold right now, but just barely.

And sure, i know I don't have an actual card up my sleeve, but it's fun to act like I do!

Can we do something productive? I feel like nothing productive is really happening. :-/ And yes, I'm part of the problem right now, but I don't really feel like putting the thought into initiating something, but I'm okay with reacting to stuff.

-Cerb

Card up your sleeve wrong phrase sorry.

[Reasonably Rational]

Ah yeah. Honestly, this wasn't even the thing I was talking about.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Serious question: is everyone having fun?

If you're not having fun, let's talk about it and figure out how to make this fun. I think Micc left because he wasn't having fun, and that sucks.
-Cerb

[Bronya Zaychik]

@RR, At this point, I don't have enough info to "get clever". I think traditional questions about strongman, roleblockers, card nullifiers/destroyers and things like that might prove more prudent. You know things that are traditionally scummy. I don't know enough to get creative. Blame it on not being an IC/hood network.

@Math, That's a typical Varsoona disclaimer. RR has a thing where they are shrewdly logical. They cannot help it. Regardless of alignment, they put in copious amounts of effort. It is their blessing...and leash. Given our no bullshit policy to each other (due to our natural paranoia levels), RR and I could frankly never pull a fast one on each other due to fear of them outwitting us. The closest either of us came was me stealing RR's Rb and misleading as to the strength of my block. The latter never really fooled them though. If you suspect RR scum, step back and look at his larger plans. They leave a signature amount of coordination. (Please take this as a compliment RR.)

Also, don't write yourself off yet. There are new planets and new cards to draw. You just might be a gated role that you yourself are unaware of. :-p

[Reasonably Rational]

See I think I finally realized why I am having a hard time with RR read on the drive home.

I feel like to excuse the analogy RR is kinda like an infomercial. Like he’s saying things in order for me to buy into him being town.

Like here have a lie detect check. So? He could have known that was in the game before hand. Furthermore even if that stemmed is the truth it doesn’t make it not premeditated on his part.

Like for a buy it now ad on TV. They have testimonials and show the product off. Like “look at all these customers satisfied by the Snuggie. It can’t be wrong.” That’s what I feel RR is doing. I just don’t know how to explain a feeling.

I realize others already explained this, but I laughed so hard at this. Literally everything we do, no matter what we are, is logical and planned. We will sit on stuff for weeks real time before putting something in motion. You likely aren't who I think or else you would know that and wouldn't be getting a "used car salesman" vibe. We're not trying to sell you a shamwow: I promise.

~Drixx

[Gamma Emerald]

Serious question: is everyone having fun?

If you're not having fun, let's talk about it and figure out how to make this fun. I think Micc left because he wasn't having fun, and that sucks.
-Cerb

I feel like I'm having fun

[Varsoon]

I'm having fun.
That said, large games can be a huge undertaking and this one already has 100+ pages, so just keeping up with all of it on top of the mechanics I tend to put into a game can be overwhelming.
I want you all to know that I appreciate your dedication to the game. I know staying up to date with a game like this one can be difficult, so thanks for sticking with it.

[Maid Cafe]

This is why I am taking a step back tbh.

~B

[Bronya Zaychik]

Serious question: is everyone having fun?

If you're not having fun, let's talk about it and figure out how to make this fun. I think Micc left because he wasn't having fun, and that sucks.
-Cerb

I am having so much fun. This is the most exciting game I have ever played on this site, thanks to Varsoon and Titus.

However, Day 1 is getting boring. But this is not Varsoon's fault, it is RR's fault for extending the day and increasing the scale of town apathy.

~Kiana

[Bronya Zaychik]

Trying asking if there are roles that can give mana to other players. Sounds easy enough.

How about giving cards? That sounds fun too.

What about hand nukes. Are they available in the game?

Your role since it doesn't apply to alignments is only a rather buffed Rolecop ability.

~Kiana

[Bronya Zaychik]

UNVOTE:

I want to see

Micc's

replacement post if he truly can't contribute to the game anymore.

Not all of this is in order, but most of it.

Though, Top 3 reads are the only reads I can say I'm pretty confident in and they're town. So yay.

Also, I haven't done in depth ISOs yet, and I'm scared too because there's just so much filler in this game and multiple players with over 200 posts... So some of these reads are based a bit off gut.

Readslist

Spoiler: Town

Town

Reasonably Rational

- I've been waffling on

Cerb

for a while, because we have similar mindsets but different approaches to this game and playstyle is NAI. However, such a detailed and investigative claim like in 2455 would've never benefited scum. Coupled with 2466 and 2467 which I really liked, makes this a solid townread. Widely-agreed reads often skew perception in the game, and scum wouldn't try and take away from townreads. Also, their reasons for prolonging the day makes sense here, since it aligns perfectly with giving information to them, where they can rely it to the town.

Skybird

- I'll still need to ISO more, but nothing particularly strikes me as off. I've already stated this before, but her outing the neighborhood with

Iconeum

and

Shining Dreamers

screams town to me.

If she were scum and those were her buddies;

then outing her team would be playing directly against her wincon.

If she were scum that was apart of that hood,

then outing would've done nothing but shift more focus onto her, plus, assuming scum have daytalk; she'd probably have told them privately.
She willfully noted interactions and potential associations for later review while stating her opinion of those she was hooded with. 2199

OnTheMark

- Most of his game has been overanalyzing mostly common knowledge facts or new ideas. His game-solving mode and sense of genuine feeling I get from his posts make him a stronger townread. Still, I don't want to sort him out D1. He appears to play the game by thinking up many theories, and I cannot see scum falsely fabricating them.

Almost50

1337 and 2145 - while those full readslists aren't much explained, skimming and rereading a bit of Almost50's post strike me as though he's hunting and gauging for information. That's more than what I can say with the majority of the playerlist.

Almost50

; what do you think about

Skybird

outing the hood, and the

Shining Dreamers

wagon?

Bronya Zaychik

- They've been consistently trying to keep town on the same page, expressing their reads and thoughts on wagons. While I'm going to read them a bit more in depth later, my gut tells me they are genuine, and I haven't seen something that tells me otherwise. 2102 and 2294 are some examples here.

Maid Cafe

- Is there a post or discussion point where one of them hasn't placed their thought or questioned something? Very vocal. Points out inconsistencies in others' reasoning and has been straightforward with their reads and opinions.

Chara

- Honestly, part of me still townreads

Chara's

fakeclaim in 888. I don't see scum claiming Miller and thinking that's ever a good idea... I've been Miller once, and the amount of times I was wagoned, scumread, and discredited was unbelievable... That slot was mislynched in that game, after I replaced out because of life stuff.
However,

Chara

will have to link me all his town games before I believe the fact he's never been mislynched.
I don't know what to feel about him retracting because of scumreads, but my gut tells me this can come from town as well.

((His posts Page 99-100))

...I've been mislynched. A lot. Specifically in Mylo/Lylo. So I relate his pushback and confusion to the reads. If this was some form of scum AtE trick, it's working. Right now, I'm not interested in pushing

Chara

much.

Spoiler: Neutral

Neutral

Gamma Emerald

- Wishy-washy here. Nothing has struck out to me as fully towny or scummy, and my read here is not very confident. Though, he's the most town-esque nullread, I think. He's engaged with me more than the others in this category.

Creature

- He's been meta-read this whole game and after some thought, it's annoying AF. Literally, I've never played with half of you people before; if you come at me with a meta-read argument, good luck convincing me.

Just like what I've seen him in other games, he just posts one-liners and multiple posts at once. If someone wants to tell me how his activity is AI, then

LINK GAMES

. So far, he's null.

Snarky Snowman

- Who? I'm waiting for him to get caught up.

Iconeum

- Partially waiting for more content by

Skybird

and

Shining Dreamers

to help me see his POV in this game. I think he's been making some pushes, and I don't quite get the suspicion on him? I want someone to elaborate their reads on him more. Aside from this, I haven't seen much to indicate much town or scum motivation.

Venmar

- He's pushing for progression, but he hasn't really done much of any push himself or showed a lot of independent reasoning. I'm going to ISO him soon.

Spoiler: Scum

Scum

Dunnstral

- 12 posts in 100 pages. His ISO is dull. He's been here since the beginning of the game though, to my understanding.

1)

What is your reads?

2)

Are you fully caught up?

3)

Thoughts on wagons at the moment?

Baku and Munna

- 281 Townlean because of shitposting? .__. I don't like that this slot is painting game stuff as OMGUS. 1222 1940 - Hasn't given much content or reasons for their thoughts. This is not a confident read, though.

Micc

- ISO

Alisae's

individual posting and this hydra's. If you want a further elaboration, then ask. However, I want to see where people are townreading him.

Shining Dreamers

- ISO

Alisae's

individual posting and this hydra's. If you want further elaboration, then ask. I want to see people's grievances with the wagon here, though.

I dislike having weak general scumreads, this readslist is liable to change very soon, but my most reasoned-for reads are my most confident.

~ Taly

This is a good readwall. This is what we wanted Mathblade to do but it seems it is too hard for him or something.

Unfortunately Purple Heart can't get even townier than this. The towny get townier and the scummy get scummier I guess.



PS: Bronya can code anything. Bronya is robot master.