Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Mathdino]

So the only possible scumpartner Marangal can have is Beefster.

Step me through this?

On D2, Marangal asked mastina if she received a message saying "I'm town".

mastina said no.

Marangal said "wtf".

Beefster said "Oh yeah I blocked Marangal because I'm a jailkeeper".

Marangal believed her message had legitimately gone through (unless she planned in advance a fakeclaim with Beefster). This means Marangal is either really a messenger, or is scum with Beefster.

Additionally, for Marangal to be scum, she would have to believe that scum could not perform a night action and kill at the same time.

So in the situation that she's a scum messenger who legit believed her message went through, her partner must have performed the nightkill on Iconeum. This means scum is either me (which makes me a scum roleblocker), Beefster (who jailed me on N1), or:
the worst: Fakeclaiming weak cop as mafia strongman? no.
Not_Mafia: Would have to be a strongman AND a mafia roleblocker. Which doesn't jive with Marangal's idea that scum can kill and act on the same night.

[the worst]

Ok fair. That was pretty well thought through.

[the worst]

Kinda starting to townread Beef

[the worst]

So here's the deal. This game has either 1 or 2 mafia remaining.

If there is 1 mafia remaining, it is confirmed to be Beefster.

Therefore if we lynch town today and the game isn't over by tomorrow, we autolynch Beefster. I think this is something we can all agree on.

So we should act as if there's 2 mafia remaining. Find all the possible scumteams and lynch once we've ruled out some of them.

If we assume Marangal townslipped earlier, scumteams available are:
Mathdino/TW (massive fakeclaim plan)
Mathdino/Beefster (Beefster jailkeeper, Mathdino anything)
Mathdino/Not_Mafia (Mathdino strongman, N_M roleblocker)
TW/Beefster (TW strongman, Beefster jailkeeper)
TW/Not_Mafia (TW strongman, N_M anything)
TW/IB (TW strongman, IB double-dayer)
Beefster/Not_Mafia (Beefster jailkeeper, N_M strongman)

I don't know how it happened, but I've been set up.

I holstered last night.

VOTE: the worst

Anyone around to talk to me about this?

He was actually genuinely thrown off. His vote on me feels like 100% ridiculous un-thought-through craziness.

Scum would have known this turn of events was coming. Is this likely to be staged?

[the worst]

Just trying to avoid the NKA WIFOM because that incriminates exactly nobody

[Mathdino]

If you had 3 days to prepare getting past a gamebreaking massclaim strategy, wouldn't you know exactly how you'd respond to a soft guilty?

[the worst]

Ehhh I guess but the vote is such an interesting choice...

[the worst]

Talk to me about N_M

Hard defending A50 is a red mark against him. How else do you consider his play this game to line up with his scum meta?

[the worst]

Will you be here in about an hour? I'll try and >half ass once I'm at my PC.
I feel like there's something not quite right about the Mom/Beef logic.

[Mathdino]

yeah i'll be here

go check my ISO for not_mafia case, it's in there somewhere

[the worst]

Spoiler: quoted for laziness

Okay nope. I have a very good amount of meta showing Not_Mafia is scum here.

He doesn't make shit arguments as town to get his way. See my game (Stack the Deck).

The idea that Kthx-scum claims a guilty on someone to save acryon and mastina, when that results in all 3 of them being lynched in succession, is utterly ludicrous.

Paragraph-posting Not_Mafia always has a reason to suddenly start caring enough to argue a point. I've seen him do it to pull a mislynch in MyLo.

I'm doing a votecount.

Spoiler: VoteCount Settings

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[spoiler=Day 1][/spoiler][spoiler=Day 2][/spoiler]

Wait acryon your Not_Mafia argument sucks.

Here's a compendium of N_M posts in a high stress MyLo with his arch-mafia-nemesis Mathdino trying to mislynch him upon arrival.

Spoiler:

Lynch it, lynch it with fire

And yes I know that random guess scumteam is pretty fucking wrong but it was a daystart guess cuz NSG was curious

So fake

I thought it was Hopkirk when day started but I've thought it was flubb since sheep scumclaim

I have sheep and not mafia meta that only works when I'm not in the game because they adapt their meta to my presence
So I need to do that

Sheep is claimed scum, no one cares

You know when you're about to leave a party and then you don't, then you get trapped in an incredibly long-winded and pointless conversation with another guest and spend the whole time wishing you'd just left when you had the chance. This is that moment.

Town Mathdino doesn't pass up the opportunity for a good old fashioned pissing contest

I can't do it guys, I can't make serious posts only

Because I didn't have a role pm yet

Like had my slot not replaced out I'd be scumreading it

The lurkout and lack of anyone screaming for a replacement made me go

Oh fucking shit that slot is town and it's gonna be me isn't it
Fakkk

Sooooooo fake omg

VOTE: Sheep

Fine let's be boring

I really REALLY want to lynch Mathdino but I'm going to do the "right thing"

Okay no fuck this

VOTE: Mathdino

VOTE: Sheep

VOTE: Math

Sheep is literally claimed scum, there is no Hopkirk/Fire/Me possibility

I don’t see any of the arguments as compelling or interesting at all, just dilettante word vomit. The only time you’ve done anything with any conviction was when you accused Fire of talking about ongoing games, this isn’t town Mathdino the LyLo saviour swooping in to save the helpless visigoths in the town, it’s scum Math chatting shit.

Also there are no conf towns, not even Kat and HEM, but Flubber certainly isn’t

My vote isn’t moving, so you can carry on this unrequited 1v1 or you can just vote the claimed scum

It’s taking all my impulse control not to vote Math

sheep, why didn't you ever get to sorting Hopkirk in particular?

Why are you asking claimed scum about their reads?

No. I'm irritated

Why do you think I'm scum/might be scum/could be scum or wherever your read is at?

I think Sheep is a valuable scum PR btw, scum's clearly wants one of the 1v1s forced through today

I mean this is an okay argument as to Fire/N_M not scum together but this also implies that they would ever plan anything, which is a faulty assumption

I trolled you as a teammate and plotted out the whole game, you know I have the ability to anticipate reactions and plan a scum gambit accordingly, so does Fire

Mathdino did scumclaim yes, several other times too

Perfect example is Hopkirk who suddenly became more enlightened than the Dalai Lama tripping balls on LSD once I started making real arguments for sheep/Hop/N_M.

Yes who has been calling the team sheep/Fire/Me and pushing

me

as the lynch, he's made no attempt to get Fire, his theoretical mislynch in your scenario, lynched

You're literally arguing "town-Mathdino wouldn't rule out me/Fire as a scumteam" which is...

I'm arguing that you thinking that Fire and I couldn't pull a scum theatre gambit is transparently bullshit

pedit: no really like............. what would town!dino have done here n_m in your opinion

Lynch scum, not me, not refuse to vote conf scum when we still have 8 players and what? 4 or 5 players unclaimed?

Okay cool, lynch me because Math makes long posts with words in them, his arguments are crap and his commentary on me and what he thinks I'd do is transparently bogus. Just do me a favour and lynch the confirmed scum first

what reason do scum have to waffle

obviously here n_m!scum would be trying to look town in the first place by unvoting so i guess it's kind of a dumb question but i dont think saying "scum would stick to their guns" is an unreasonable assumption, theyre the ones who come into the game with a planned agenda in mind

Scum can't plan shit. Look at the timestamps on that interaction; it was all within a span of minutes. Turbospeed.

I'm arguing that N_M knew Fire was town already and was setting him up to fall.

But then he realised Fire wouldn't go down so easily and 1v1ing Fire would have the strong potential to just confirm N_M as scum down the line.

None of it was planned because he didn't plan for Fire's fakeclaim.

Math is now moving the goalposts to distract from his bullshit argument. No one is saying we did plan it, just that your argument that we couldn't was manure

monkey am i being too easily swayed? where am i going wrong?

Renaming myself monkey temporarily.

Yes, seriously go over Math's posts with a fresh mind, there's nothing there, it's all style no substance

I'm gonna piss myself if Math is actually town, both out of hilarity and frustration

Town Dino doesn't attempt to justify his play to me, he just laughs at me and talks about policy lynches

And fire still isn't conftown, conf is a strong word, can we please not use it on just extremely strong reads

What seems weird to you about stuff I've done Kat? List some things and I can explain them to you

I honestly don't remember where exactly my read was, I wanted to lynch Hopkirk that day but wanted to see the results of a Seph wagon, I think I had Seph as a scum lean and then he self hammered

Your slot was basically a non-presence until you subbed in

Your mum is a non-presence

Scum tend to interact with partners who are playing and partners who aren't

His play is completely different. Idk what you're smokin.

[the worst]

Flummery.

[Mathdino]

WAGONS(Sort By: Alphabetical Data Type: Simple LSort: On)

Note from vote counter. These votes include any vote on or off that impacted said wagon.

Spoiler: Day 1

acryon (1)

~

Carrot and Stick

8

acryon (1)

~

Iconeum

534

acryon (1)

~

Momrangal

618(795)

Almost50 (1)

~

InfernoBrafin

4

Beefster (1)

~

the worst

29

Beefster (1)

~

Almost50

129

Beefster (1)

~

Iconeum

175(313)

Beefster (1)

~

Momrangal

463

Beefster (1)

~

acryon

586(618)

BuJaber (1)

~

InfernoBrafin

22

BuJaber (1)

~

Momrangal

141(459)

Carrot and Stick (1)

~

TheGoldenParadox

19

Carrot and Stick (1)

~

the worst

385

Carrot and Stick (1)

~

Iconeum

539(619)

Iconeum (1)

~

Beefster

189

Iconeum (1)

~

Almost50

313

InfernoBrafin (1)

~

acryon

5

InfernoBrafin (1)

~

BuJaber

20(400)

InfernoBrafin (1)

~

Mathdino

450

Mathdino (1)

~

TheGoldenParadox

52

Mathdino (1)

~

Not_Mafia

331

Momrangal (1)

~

Beefster

244

Momrangal (1)

~

BuJaber

419

No Lynch (1)

~

InfernoBrafin

737

Not_Mafia (1)

~

Mathdino

269

Not_Mafia (1)

~

TheGoldenParadox

295(394)

the worst (1)

~

Iconeum

109

the worst (1)

~

Mathdino

827

TheGoldenParadox (1)

~

Mathdino

33

TheGoldenParadox (1)

~

the worst

40(65)

TheGoldenParadox (1)

~

Iconeum

395(450)

TheGoldenParadox (1)

~

Beefster

500(534)

acryon (2)

~

Carrot and Stick, Momrangal

618

Beefster (2)

~

Almost50, Iconeum

175

Beefster (2)

~

Momrangal, acryon

586

Beefster (2)

~

acryon, BuJaber

669

BuJaber (2)

~

InfernoBrafin, Momrangal

141

Carrot and Stick (2)

~

the worst, acryon

400

Carrot and Stick (2)

~

Iconeum, Mathdino

566(606)

Iconeum (2)

~

Almost50, the worst

607

Iconeum (2)

~

Almost50, BuJaber

666

Iconeum (2)

~

Almost50, Mathdino

679(681)

Iconeum (2)

~

TheGoldenParadox, acryon

887(978)

InfernoBrafin (2)

~

acryon, BuJaber

20

Mathdino (2)

~

Not_Mafia, Carrot and Stick

343

Mathdino (2)

~

Not_Mafia, InfernoBrafin

459(570)

Mathdino (2)

~

Not_Mafia, Iconeum

710(737)

No Lynch (2)

~

InfernoBrafin, the worst

749

Not_Mafia (2)

~

Mathdino, TheGoldenParadox

295

TheGoldenParadox (2)

~

Mathdino, the worst

40

TheGoldenParadox (2)

~

Mathdino, Iconeum

395

TheGoldenParadox (2)

~

Iconeum, Beefster

500

acryon (3)

~

Carrot and Stick, Momrangal, Mathdino

619

acryon (3)

~

Carrot and Stick, Momrangal, Beefster

626(679)

Carrot and Stick (3)

~

the worst, acryon, Iconeum

539

Carrot and Stick (3)

~

the worst, Iconeum, Mathdino

566(586)

Iconeum (3)

~

Almost50, the worst, Mathdino

679

Iconeum (3)

~

Almost50, Mathdino, TheGoldenParadox

754

Iconeum (3)

~

Almost50, TheGoldenParadox, Beefster

763(827)

Iconeum (3)

~

TheGoldenParadox, Beefster, acryon

887(963)

InfernoBrafin (3)

~

acryon, BuJaber, the worst

25

InfernoBrafin (3)

~

acryon, BuJaber, Beefster

51

Mathdino (3)

~

Not_Mafia, Carrot and Stick, Beefster

348

Mathdino (3)

~

Not_Mafia, Carrot and Stick, InfernoBrafin

459(500)

Mathdino (3)

~

Not_Mafia, InfernoBrafin, Iconeum

710

No Lynch (3)

~

InfernoBrafin, the worst, Kthxbye

752

acryon (4)

~

Carrot and Stick, Momrangal, Mathdino, Beefster

626

Carrot and Stick (4)

~

the worst, acryon, Iconeum, Mathdino

566

Iconeum (4)

~

Almost50, Mathdino, TheGoldenParadox, Beefster

763

Iconeum (4)

~

Almost50, TheGoldenParadox, Beefster, BuJaber

874

Iconeum (4)

~

Almost50, TheGoldenParadox, Beefster, acryon

887(917)

InfernoBrafin (4)

~

acryon, BuJaber, Beefster, Mathdino

65

InfernoBrafin (4)

~

acryon, BuJaber, Mathdino, the worst

161(189)

Mathdino (4)

~

Not_Mafia, Carrot and Stick, Beefster, InfernoBrafin

459

No Lynch (4)

~

InfernoBrafin, the worst, Kthxbye, Carrot and Stick

795

Iconeum (5)

~

Almost50, TheGoldenParadox, Beefster, BuJaber, Iconeum

877

Iconeum (5)

~

Almost50, TheGoldenParadox, Beefster, BuJaber, acryon

887(889)

InfernoBrafin (5)

~

acryon, BuJaber, Beefster, Mathdino, Iconeum

92

InfernoBrafin (5)

~

acryon, BuJaber, Beefster, Mathdino, the worst

161

No Lynch (5)

~

InfernoBrafin, the worst, Kthxbye, Carrot and Stick, Iconeum

810

No Lynch (5)

~

InfernoBrafin, the worst, Kthxbye, Carrot and Stick, Momrangal

910

Iconeum (6)

~

Almost50, TheGoldenParadox, Beefster, BuJaber, Iconeum, acryon

887

No Lynch (6)

~

InfernoBrafin, the worst, Kthxbye, Carrot and Stick, Momrangal, BuJaber

917

No Lynch (6)

~

InfernoBrafin, the worst, Kthxbye, Carrot and Stick, Momrangal, Almost50

963

No Lynch (7)

~

InfernoBrafin, the worst, Kthxbye, Carrot and Stick, Momrangal, Almost50, Beefster

978

Spoiler: Day 2

acryon (1)

~

Momrangal

1028

acryon (1)

~

Carrot and Stick

1036(1046)

acryon (1)

~

Kthxbye

1621

acryon (1)

~

Mathdino

1971

Almost50 (1)

~

Mathdino

1135

Almost50 (1)

~

Carrot and Stick

1557(1799)

Carrot and Stick (1)

~

Momrangal

1046

Carrot and Stick (1)

~

Not_Mafia

1080(1306)

Kthxbye (1)

~

Not_Mafia

1024

Kthxbye (1)

~

Beefster

1210

Kthxbye (1)

~

Momrangal

1306(1715)

Momrangal (1)

~

Kthxbye

1785

Not_Mafia (1)

~

Beefster

1628

acryon (2)

~

Momrangal, Carrot and Stick

1036

acryon (2)

~

Carrot and Stick, BuJaber

1215

acryon (2)

~

Mathdino, Kthxbye

1972

Almost50 (2)

~

Mathdino, Kthxbye

1294

Almost50 (2)

~

BuJaber, Carrot and Stick

1557(1701)

Almost50 (2)

~

Carrot and Stick, Mathdino

1819

Carrot and Stick (2)

~

Momrangal, Not_Mafia

1080

Carrot and Stick (2)

~

Not_Mafia, Almost50

1630

Kthxbye (2)

~

Beefster, acryon

1260

Kthxbye (2)

~

acryon, Momrangal

1306(1620)

Momrangal (2)

~

Kthxbye, BuJaber

1799

Not_Mafia (2)

~

Beefster, Mathdino

1701

Not_Mafia (2)

~

Mathdino, the worst

1707(1716)

Not_Mafia (2)

~

the worst, Beefster

1717(1819)

acryon (3)

~

Mathdino, Kthxbye, Momrangal

2007

Almost50 (3)

~

Mathdino, Kthxbye, BuJaber

1324

Almost50 (3)

~

Mathdino, BuJaber, Carrot and Stick

1557(1580)

Almost50 (3)

~

Carrot and Stick, BuJaber, Momrangal

1878(1971)

Carrot and Stick (3)

~

Momrangal, Not_Mafia, Beefster

1110

Carrot and Stick (3)

~

Not_Mafia, Almost50, Beefster

1716

Carrot and Stick (3)

~

Not_Mafia, Almost50, Momrangal

1737

Carrot and Stick (3)

~

Not_Mafia, Almost50, acryon

2003

Kthxbye (3)

~

Beefster, acryon, Momrangal

1306

Kthxbye (3)

~

acryon, Momrangal, Not_Mafia

1314(1619)

Not_Mafia (3)

~

Beefster, Mathdino, the worst

1707

Not_Mafia (3)

~

the worst, Beefster, Kthxbye

1722(1724)

acryon (4)

~

Mathdino, Kthxbye, Momrangal, the worst

2119

Almost50 (4)

~

Mathdino, Kthxbye, BuJaber, Carrot and Stick

1557

Almost50 (4)

~

Carrot and Stick, Mathdino, BuJaber, Momrangal

1878(1911)

Kthxbye (4)

~

Beefster, acryon, Momrangal, Not_Mafia

1314

Not_Mafia (4)

~

Beefster, Mathdino, the worst, Kthxbye

1710

acryon (5)

~

Mathdino, Kthxbye, Momrangal, the worst, Beefster

2131

Almost50 (5)

~

Carrot and Stick, Mathdino, BuJaber, Kthxbye, Momrangal

1878

Kthxbye (5)

~

Beefster, acryon, Momrangal, Not_Mafia, Almost50

1335

Spoiler: Day 3

acryon (1)

~

Carrot and Stick

2166

Almost50 (1)

~

Mathdino

2134

Almost50 (2)

~

Mathdino, Beefster

2135

Almost50 (3)

~

Mathdino, Beefster, the worst

2136

Almost50 (4)

~

Mathdino, Beefster, the worst, BuJaber

2163

Almost50 (5)

~

Mathdino, Beefster, the worst, BuJaber, Kthxbye

2219

Almost50 (6)

~

Mathdino, Beefster, the worst, BuJaber, Kthxbye, Almost50

2227

Spoiler: Day 4

Beefster (1)

~

Kthxbye

2268

BuJaber (1)

~

Mathdino

2233

BuJaber (1)

~

Beefster

2259(2321)

Momrangal (1)

~

Kthxbye

2255

Beefster (2)

~

Kthxbye, BuJaber

2278

BuJaber (2)

~

Mathdino, Beefster

2259

BuJaber (2)

~

Beefster, Momrangal

2339

Beefster (3)

~

Kthxbye, BuJaber, Not_Mafia

2291

BuJaber (3)

~

Beefster, Momrangal, Mathdino

2353

Beefster (4)

~

Kthxbye, BuJaber, Not_Mafia, Mathdino

2321

BuJaber (4)

~

Beefster, Momrangal, Mathdino, the worst

2357

Gamma's online. Lynch anyone who doesn't follow the plan.

Fuck it, Not_Mafia has been against every single pro-town wagon: No Lynch, acryon, AND Almost50
And on every anti-town wagon: Mathdino, Iconeum, Kthx, mastina, Bujaber.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

You can only openwolf so much before it becomes impossible to let slide. N_M isn't THIS bad.

When N_M flips scum (when, not if):
I actually don't have a good nightplan here now that I think about it.

@Mod: If a bodyguard were to target a weak cop while the weak cop checked mafia, who would die?
Second, what would happen in this situation if mafia also shot the weak cop?

[the worst]

leaving his buddy as Mom?

[Mathdino]

Or Beefster

[the worst]

if you had to nail a scumteam right now who would it be?

[the worst]

I'd call Mom/N_M but I still need to think on this.

[Mathdino]

If N_M straight up flips strongman, then N_M/Marangal seems likely. Although if N_M is strongman after all, we can just win the game by having me protect you and Beefster protect InfernoBrafin.

If N_M flips anything other than strongman or roleblocker, then it's Beefster.

[the worst]

I want to find a partner I believe before committing to this but in a pinch I'm probably down.

[the worst]

there is a reason I'm being hesitant (for once!)

[Mathdino]

Figured people with shit abilities were less likely to be scum, more likely not to get NK'd and made better town clears.

Specifically I tried to keep my NA list down to players I felt were likely to be town.

Just trying to decide whether scum would have seen me crumbing.

Can you quote all the posts in your ISO that are evidence of these?

[the worst]

yas
ngl I think I forgot to for the entirety of D1

[Mathdino]

The weird thing here is that Hider is literally a variation on Weak Cop.

That puts us at:

Investigatives: Hider, Weak Cop, Follower
Protectives: Bodyguard, Jailkeeper
Combos: JOAT, Backup JOAT
Misc: Messenger, Compulsive Visitor, Double Dayer

Which is a hilariously stacked town that's only really solvable by there being 4 scum.
One scum was given a motion detector safeclaim. One was given a commuter fakeclaim (and is investigation immune, which strongly points to Weak Cop existing). One is a gladiator.

The only way I can justify this nonsense setup is if scum also has roleblocking ability in the Jailkeeper.

[the worst]

For full-disclosure, here is a full list:
Town
Almost50
the worst
Carrot & Stick

Lean-town
Not_Mafia
InfernoBrafin (James Brafin + Inferno390)
Momrangal

Null
Kthxbye
Mathdino

Lean-scum
TheGoldenParadox
Iconeum
BuJaber

Scum
Beefster

Can you talk me through how you got from here to selecting these two players? Do you think they're scum together?

quoted for thinking

[the worst]

I'm gonna confess my idea of crumbing is probably what others call "vomiting vague details at people".
Totally thought I was being more subtle than this.

Spoiler: here u go

I'm about 5 pages behind but just to clarify.

I didn't receive anything from Mom last night. Also I refuse to roleclaim atm but I did not target Mom last night. This will be important later.

@TW - does later mean today or on later days? Because if you have any info that tells us carrot's alignment it would be really helpful.

This games balancing is gonna be really interesting.

I can confirm town players as town. Won't be targeting anyone I'm scumreading.

Honestly I'm starting to really consider the idea that Mastina is scum here. more importantly I'm struggling to actually process everything that's going on through the epic walls of text...

Ico.. seriously?
Doesn't matter you're either scum or town who made a mistake. Not interested in your rationale now that it's done. It's just a sucky situation
Sigh.

Elaborate

I'll fullclaim and give reasoning if needed

Nonono don't guard me that ruins the magic

I'll protect you as long as mastina's doc goes on Kthx.

Kthx should obviously not out his target at all.

Do not protect me tonight.

Actually fuck yes

Math is allowed to protect me but no one else is

Acryon pinkie promise you're town right now

Pinkie promise.

If you're scum you will not be coming to my birthday party.

Confirm I'm targeting acryon tonight.