NEWBIE 1858: MEDICAL MAFIA (fin)

[Shattiel]

To me this question doesn't really tell anything, and it could be spun into multiple different meanings. You said "there's a lot of words but it literally tells nothing" but what did you expect it to tell really?

…you know that’s one of the reasons I posted it? xD Like, I’m still quite sure no one except me here will bother trying to fortune-tell from those posts.
And lol, it was not useless. I’m kinda glad you think that way though.

I'd like to hear what you got from it
I just skipped everyones answer to that question tbh

Honestly, I think the 3-rd question was the best, but that’s probably just because it’s connected to the way I like to read people. If you want to, after someone dies, I can write what did I get from their answer, but in return re-answer seriously please. It's a good deal, I'll satisfy your curiosity, and you'll just waste a few minutes.

but my answer was serious

[Shattiel]

agree with Dray, that's a bit of an overreaction... and the last part is kinda defensive... but lol, the main part of the post was "your opinion is stupid", not "and what did you expect from me?", so I don't really think this should be scumread...

ejji's been ticking my scum radar.
"overreaction" "kinda defensive" "I don't really think this should be scumread... " - how is these words you describe his posts shouldn't be a scumread?
And you said "your opinion is stupid" - isn't this considered a deflection?

The way I see it you just threw some shade at rei while you townread him.

VOTE: ejjinami

no, this post could be considered defensive, but I’m not sure if it was caused by stress, or was it just anger. The bigger part seemed to be anger (“the arguments are stupid!”), the lesser part was stress/defense/deflection (“what did you expect from me?”).
So I don’t think I can tell if the post came from scum getting stressed and going defensive.
Lol, the arguments sound kinda bullshit, but anyways, I’m not confident in scumreading it. -_-

Btw, does that mean you’re scumreading him cause of that post?

You just said it shouldn't be a scumread? If you're not sure why would you say that?

Nope it's just the words you described his post should be a scumread yet you say that it shouldn't be a scumread

[ejjinami]

You could just rephrase "overanalyzing" to "nitpicking" or being overprotective. He doesn't really need to overanalyze two words you could even pour some wine on his reasons why soul's posting is nai but if he did it to push the game forward I get it.

I understood it more as him being overdiligent and trying to seriously analyze a post he himself didn’t even understand. I did that a lot as town in my first games, but I started cutting it out when I realized people aren’t even reading it... -_- I think I already said sth about it.
I got the feeling 2cre’s motivation could have been same, especially since he said he’s proud of his “eye for details”. This might be his town behavior. And since the reasoning really didn’t make sense, I don’t think scum would be as likely to fake that.

Your town meta isn't the same as his town meta -.-

"This might be his town behavior"

- don't use might when talking about meta. Dont even try to go there if you're not sure.

"And since the reasoning really didn’t make sense,"

- this isn't what you said when you quoted his post earlier. You said

"I agree about soul"

You agreeing with people to get on their good side?
You say "shouldn't be a scumread/not a scumread"
So who do you scumread? You don't want to play mr.nice and townread everyone

I was not talking about soul. -_- ok, my bad here cause it really could be understood like that. I was talking about him assuming the ”oh hey!” had a meaning of “I’m scumreading you.”. He clearly thought it through and it clearly didn’t make sense.
PEDIT: going back on that one. -_- I assumed shadd's 1'st vote was just RvS and he didn't do anything that might have indicated he was scumreading soul... lol, forget about it, it was a mistake -_-

And god dammit, you don’t need to insult me to ask me for scumreads. Just stop and ask me normally, it really won’t hurt you to do that.
Rn I don’t have any scumreads and honestly, d1 has more value in getting to know the other players, than in scumreading anyways. There's no real need ot force it. And it’s not like an extremely long time has passed since the SoD, I don't believe I'm not going to have anything through the entire day.

but I think I might be slightly townreading rei after all, after the last post. That one was more AI than the previous one imo.

I take back what I said about 2cre. -_- (said it in the pedit) it was my misinterpretation, shadd did indeed do stuff that could have meant he’s scumreading soul, so I can’t really say 2cre based his read on the “oh hey!”…that was stupid of me. Rn he’s null, I’m not determined enough to read all of his posts again yet.

I need to question soul, cuz I need to determine how to read him. Like, he did things that bother me, but I’m not just going to jump to conclusions. -_- That could have been fluff.
PEDIT: ok, sry, still not confident, but I don’t really like him after all.

And lol, honestly, I’m curious why are you focusing on me when I think other players did stuff that would have a bigger chance of being AI than your weird understanding of my wording. -_-

[ejjinami]

but my answer was serious

So you just enjoy being aggressive?

[ejjinami]

agree with Dray, that's a bit of an overreaction... and the last part is kinda defensive... but lol, the main part of the post was "your opinion is stupid", not "and what did you expect from me?", so I don't really think this should be scumread...

ejji's been ticking my scum radar.
"overreaction" "kinda defensive" "I don't really think this should be scumread... " - how is these words you describe his posts shouldn't be a scumread?
And you said "your opinion is stupid" - isn't this considered a deflection?

The way I see it you just threw some shade at rei while you townread him.

VOTE: ejjinami

no, this post could be considered defensive, but I’m not sure if it was caused by stress, or was it just anger. The bigger part seemed to be anger (“the arguments are stupid!”), the lesser part was stress/defense/deflection (“what did you expect from me?”).
So I don’t think I can tell if the post came from scum getting stressed and going defensive.
Lol, the arguments sound kinda bullshit, but anyways, I’m not confident in scumreading it. -_-

Btw, does that mean you’re scumreading him cause of that post?

You just said it shouldn't be a scumread? If you're not sure why would you say that?

Nope it's just the words you described his post should be a scumread yet you say that it shouldn't be a scumread

seriously? -_-
then our opinions differ. I explained why don’t I think it should be scumread and if you’re not getting it, it’s your fault.
So does that mean you’re scumreading him for that post? Don’t ignore my questions.

[ejjinami]

@shadd, actually, why were you scumreading soul?

And @dray

@2Create
Why is the OMGUS inherently scummy vs newbish

what did you want to get from this post? Why was the “@2cre” needed?

[Shattiel]

You could just rephrase "overanalyzing" to "nitpicking" or being overprotective. He doesn't really need to overanalyze two words you could even pour some wine on his reasons why soul's posting is nai but if he did it to push the game forward I get it.

I understood it more as him being overdiligent and trying to seriously analyze a post he himself didn’t even understand. I did that a lot as town in my first games, but I started cutting it out when I realized people aren’t even reading it... -_- I think I already said sth about it.
I got the feeling 2cre’s motivation could have been same, especially since he said he’s proud of his “eye for details”. This might be his town behavior. And since the reasoning really didn’t make sense, I don’t think scum would be as likely to fake that.

Your town meta isn't the same as his town meta -.-

"This might be his town behavior"

- don't use might when talking about meta. Dont even try to go there if you're not sure.

"And since the reasoning really didn’t make sense,"

- this isn't what you said when you quoted his post earlier. You said

"I agree about soul"

You agreeing with people to get on their good side?
You say "shouldn't be a scumread/not a scumread"
So who do you scumread? You don't want to play mr.nice and townread everyone

I was not talking about soul. -_- ok, my bad here cause it really could be understood like that. I was talking about him assuming the ”oh hey!” had a meaning of “I’m scumreading you.”. He clearly thought it through and it clearly didn’t make sense.
PEDIT: going back on that one. -_- I assumed shadd's 1'st vote was just RvS and he didn't do anything that might have indicated he was scumreading soul... lol, forget about it, it was a mistake -_-

And god dammit, you don’t need to insult me to ask me for scumreads. Just stop and ask me normally, it really won’t hurt you to do that.
Rn I don’t have any scumreads and honestly, d1 has more value in getting to know the other players, than in scumreading anyways. There's no real need ot force it. And it’s not like an extremely long time has passed since the SoD, I don't believe I'm not going to have anything through the entire day.

but I think I might be slightly townreading rei after all, after the last post. That one was more AI than the previous one imo.

I take back what I said about 2cre. -_- (said it in the pedit) it was my misinterpretation, shadd did indeed do stuff that could have meant he’s scumreading soul, so I can’t really say 2cre based his read on the “oh hey!”…that was stupid of me. Rn he’s null, I’m not determined enough to read all of his posts again yet.

I need to question soul, cuz I need to determine how to read him. Like, he did things that bother me, but I’m not just going to jump to conclusions. -_- That could have been fluff.
PEDIT: ok, sry, still not confident, but I don’t really like him after all.

And lol, honestly, I’m curious why are you focusing on me when I think other players did stuff that would have a bigger chance of being AI than your weird understanding of my wording. -_-

I didn't insult you.. I see you more saying "this shouldn't be a scumread" than saying you're scum. You're more on defending people so calling you mr.nice is just right and yeah we don't need him in this game. And no "getting to know other players" you could do that while tunneling them you don't have to stop scumreading people just to know them in fact you'll know them better with pressure. Finding scum is the objective of town focusing somewhere else will just be a waste of time.

Elaborate on the rei read quote the post you're talking about.

I find your actions scummy than the others which I already said in my previous posts what else could it be? It's not just the wording it's your actions you're being passive.
Probably gonna keep my vote on you til you do something productive.

[Shattiel]

but my answer was serious

So you just enjoy being aggressive?

deception and solving
Being aggressive is a play style

[Shattiel]

agree with Dray, that's a bit of an overreaction... and the last part is kinda defensive... but lol, the main part of the post was "your opinion is stupid", not "and what did you expect from me?", so I don't really think this should be scumread...

ejji's been ticking my scum radar.
"overreaction" "kinda defensive" "I don't really think this should be scumread... " - how is these words you describe his posts shouldn't be a scumread?
And you said "your opinion is stupid" - isn't this considered a deflection?

The way I see it you just threw some shade at rei while you townread him.

VOTE: ejjinami

no, this post could be considered defensive, but I’m not sure if it was caused by stress, or was it just anger. The bigger part seemed to be anger (“the arguments are stupid!”), the lesser part was stress/defense/deflection (“what did you expect from me?”).
So I don’t think I can tell if the post came from scum getting stressed and going defensive.
Lol, the arguments sound kinda bullshit, but anyways, I’m not confident in scumreading it. -_-

Btw, does that mean you’re scumreading him cause of that post?

You just said it shouldn't be a scumread? If you're not sure why would you say that?

Nope it's just the words you described his post should be a scumread yet you say that it shouldn't be a scumread

seriously? -_-
then our opinions differ. I explained why don’t I think it should be scumread and if you’re not getting it, it’s your fault.
So does that mean you’re scumreading him for that post? Don’t ignore my questions.

You said "I'm not sure" and "I don't think I can tell" so why would you defend him and say that shouldn't be a scumread when other people gave their opinion on a subject you're not sure?
Every post is ai even a fluff could be ai depending on the person who said it. Just because you can't see it being a scumread doesn't mean that others wouldn't see it too.

The answer to the your question was the second paragraph.

[Shattiel]

schadd_ Mar 17, 02:04pm Mar 20, 02:31am 0 days 19 hours 2
Not_Mafia Mar 17, 08:13am Mar 20, 01:30am 0 days 20 hours 2
Espeonage Mar 17, 08:50am Mar 19, 06:52am 1 day 14 hours 4
Rei Mar 17, 09:51pm Mar 19, 03:24am 1 day 18 hours 4

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[Shattiel]

Why do I have a vote?
@Not_Mafia
I'm locktown and triggered

[ejjinami]

I didn't insult you.. I see you more saying "this shouldn't be a scumread" than saying you're scum. You're more on defending people so calling you mr.nice is just right and yeah we don't need him in this game. And no "getting to know other players" you could do that while tunneling them you don't have to stop scumreading people just to know them in fact you'll know them better with pressure. Finding scum is the objective of town focusing somewhere else will just be a waste of time.

Elaborate on the rei read quote the post you're talking about.

I find your actions scummy than the others which I already said in my previous posts what else could it be? It's not just the wording it's your actions you're being passive.
Probably gonna keep my vote on you til you do something productive.

Yeeeah, ok, fair enough, I’ll take it.

But I disagree about the tunneling. I mean, ehm, ok, I kinda agree… -_- it might really be dumb, but I’m not really the type to do that. Pressure helps but I don’t feel ok with doing that if I don’t know what should I scumread them for to begin with…
well, ok, I know it’s stupid, but just give me a few days. -_- If I really wouldn’t get better, I’d just be a long-posting-deadweight the entire game… lol, I don’t think I even have enough motivation to do that.

[ejjinami]

About rei

Spoiler:

3) What do you enjoy most about playing mafia?: I love the mystery of the game, and the big reveal when we lynch someone and we find out if we were right or not about him. The whole rush I guess.
4) Can you say a few words about how you usually play? Like, say whatever you think you should say, how would you describe your usual game? I think I'm pretty contributive, I wouldn't call myself a good player by any means but I try. I like to remain friendly while playing but I can be a bit paranoid at times.

I think we can agree, the stuff she wrote here was both honest and NAI. Like, she most probably didn’t think it had any relevance to the game, so she wrote whatever she wanted.

I genuinely find it strange how out of my words you got that I was scum.
Very strange.
How is it a "non-answer"?
What makes this even stranger is that you picked the one question that to me doesn't really mean anything. Anyone can lie about how they play, especially a newbie like me whose gameplay isn't known here, and make it seem like their wolf gameplay is absolutely different from what they're doing now. To me this question doesn't really tell anything, and it could be spun into multiple different meanings. You said "there's a lot of words but it literally tells nothing" but what did you expect it to tell really? Also if you don't like my answer to that question so much, did you like the other answers? What did they tell you then? I'd like to know.

That's very strange as well considering your only answer to no.4 was that you have "an eye for detail" whatever that means.

I don't really mind being sused and it's happened to me a lot, but I'd like there to at least be sensible reasoning behind it not some nitpicking.

And yes I'm not afraid of calling out people who sus me for illogical reasons

so VOTE: 2create why aren't you voting me if I'm scum to you already?

If she honestly thought my question was bullshit, I don’t think it would be so weird to yell at 2cre as scum. The fact scum!she didn’t make a mistake when honestly being mad, doesn’t really say anything. That wasn’t really relevant to the game. (I still think it was a bit over the top as for scummates though.)

Good luck finding more than minor reasons for a scumread halfway on page 2 by the way. You've made 2 posts before that. What do you really think I have to go on? I've said with as many words that my reads are not reliable this early on. Why are you making such a big deal out of being placed on my scumlist? Seems like a knee-jerk reaction, which I don't look fondly on, hence my OMGUS accusation.

I have no idea what all these big abbreviations are tbh

and quite frankly I don't care.

Yeah the fact that you didn't vote me is part of what I find suspicious, since I'm scum to you why wouldn't you be voting me? If you think early reads aren't reliable then honestly you wouldn't be making scum and town lists already from 2 posts.

You didn't ask me to elaborate anything really, and let's be honest there's nothing to elaborate there, you just said things I didn't say like me being "unfriendly when paranoid" which wasn't even mentioned.

And the rest yes, I said I was a paranoid player and all that stuff you think is a non-answer so what else is there for me to elaborate.
You think my post in non-answer and I disagree, what elaboration did you want really?

I find it nitpicky tbh, and if you had done that to another player and not me I would've still lynched you for it, because that's such a general question that can be understood in many way.
You're saying "I seem to say a lot but there's actually no content" but I've only posted like twice so far.

This feels incredibly forced to me.

Listen, this whole thing is subjective. Something that's "an obvious tell" for you may not be an obvious tell for someone else, so I really doubt anyone can say "I sus 2create cause he missed this part and he said he has an eye for detail." Now that just sounds far fetched.

Also for the bolded part, this is exactly why i find it suspicious. Because it seems like you're just trying to force reads. You admit it there's not much to go off from 2 posts, so why place people as scum and town already if it's not enough material and you don't think its reliable. I'm not making a big deal about being sused, like I've said this isn't my first time playing this game and I've been suspected tons of times both as town and wolf, so I'd know better than to react in a way that gets such attention if I was wolf.

However, your reasoning simply frustrates me

as I always find it pretty bad for town when you just try to force reads and having scum for the sake of having scum.

The 2-nd post was more of a direct confrontation and she conveyed her anger without being defensive/over aggressive. It’s basically the same stuff I think people townread her from the previous post, but here I don’t see a reason for it to be NAI. This was a direct confrontation, I think as scum she could have more of a chance to slip/write sth wrong somewhere.

[ejjinami]

but my answer was serious

So you just enjoy being aggressive?

deception and solving
Being aggressive is a play style

Can you elaborate? What do you enjoy in game-solving? And what do you mean by deception?
Sry, those are the last questions in that matter, I most probably won’t bother you with it again. And thx.

[ejjinami]

You said "I'm not sure" and "I don't think I can tell" so why would you defend him and say that shouldn't be a scumread when other people gave their opinion on a subject you're not sure?
Every post is ai even a fluff could be ai depending on the person who said it. Just because you can't see it being a scumread doesn't mean that others wouldn't see it too.

Wait, if I think stuff other people are scumreading him for might be NAI, why shouldn't I defend him? (I don't think I did that btw, I don't remember there being any strong scumreads on him... :/ so lol)
And yeah, I agree fluff can be AI. But I wouldn't be confident in reading that in his case. :/ and why should I stop myself from saying my opinion if I'm just not confident? like, every opinion should be helpful imo.

[Shattiel]

I didn't insult you.. I see you more saying "this shouldn't be a scumread" than saying you're scum. You're more on defending people so calling you mr.nice is just right and yeah we don't need him in this game. And no "getting to know other players" you could do that while tunneling them you don't have to stop scumreading people just to know them in fact you'll know them better with pressure. Finding scum is the objective of town focusing somewhere else will just be a waste of time.

Elaborate on the rei read quote the post you're talking about.

I find your actions scummy than the others which I already said in my previous posts what else could it be? It's not just the wording it's your actions you're being passive.
Probably gonna keep my vote on you til you do something productive.

Yeeeah, ok, fair enough, I’ll take it.

But I disagree about the tunneling. I mean, ehm, ok, I kinda agree… -_- it might really be dumb, but I’m not really the type to do that. Pressure helps but I don’t feel ok with doing that if I don’t know what should I scumread them for to begin with…
well, ok, I know it’s stupid, but just give me a few days. -_- If I really wouldn’t get better, I’d just be a long-posting-deadweight the entire game… lol, I don’t think I even have enough motivation to do that.

ok the thing is this staggering of opinion and your friendly tone is what gives me the scum vibes is the staggering of opinion and your friendly tone but looks like it's just your style seeing how it didn't change even with pressure.

Meh wild guess this post is town
UNVOTE: ejjinami

I'll try to focus somewhere else

[Shattiel]

but my answer was serious

So you just enjoy being aggressive?

deception and solving
Being aggressive is a play style

Can you elaborate? What do you enjoy in game-solving? And what do you mean by deception?
Sry, those are the last questions in that matter, I most probably won’t bother you with it again. And thx.

I'm not really sure not good at expressing myself
I just enjoy finding scum and nailing him
And that feeling when you successfuly deceive others lol idk

[ejjinami]

Wow holy shit, are you really doing this? Big FOS.
Have you heard of OMGUS? Because this is pretty much it, save for the fact that I didn't actually vote you.
You know, I thought about doing it, but I decided that reads this early on aren't so reliable as to make that worthwhile.

I also dislike voting

, and I didn't see the need to put any pressure on, because all I really did was ask you to elaborate. But you're slowly changing my mind by making my read on you more reliable.

btw, what did you mean by the "dislike voting"?
and why did you include it in the post if you had another reason?

[ejjinami]

but my answer was serious

So you just enjoy being aggressive?

deception and solving
Being aggressive is a play style

Can you elaborate? What do you enjoy in game-solving? And what do you mean by deception?
Sry, those are the last questions in that matter, I most probably won’t bother you with it again. And thx.

I'm not really sure not good at expressing myself
I just enjoy finding scum and nailing him
And that feeling when you successfuly deceive others lol idk

nah, thx, it's good.

[Shattiel]

You said "I'm not sure" and "I don't think I can tell" so why would you defend him and say that shouldn't be a scumread when other people gave their opinion on a subject you're not sure?
Every post is ai even a fluff could be ai depending on the person who said it. Just because you can't see it being a scumread doesn't mean that others wouldn't see it too.

Wait, if I think stuff other people are scumreading him for might be NAI, why shouldn't I defend him? (I don't think I did that btw, I don't remember there being any strong scumreads on him... :/ so lol)
And yeah, I agree fluff can be AI. But I wouldn't be confident in reading that in his case. :/ and why should I stop myself from saying my opinion if I'm just not confident? like, every opinion should be helpful imo.

well the thing is 2creat posts was like 4-5 paragraphs.. you can't just summarize it into 1-2 sentences and call it nai or shouldn't be a scumread when you could scumread someone even with just a 1 sentence post

[Shattiel]

Anyway this game turned to just a 1v1 of me and you.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
Fite me

[soulshade55r]

Anyway this game turned to just a 1v1 of me and you.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
Fite me

yer!

Anyway I don't really understand the vote on Not_Mafia but sure?

[ejjinami]

Anyway this game turned to just a 1v1 of me and you.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
Fite me

yer!

Anyway I don't really understand the vote on Not_Mafia but sure?

what do you think is wrong with the vote?
and why did you write you understand the reason shadd voted you? what did you understand?

[ejjinami]

btw.... I got slight scumbuddy feelings from the "but sure?"
but whatever