VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Bronya Zaychik]

*We have lock towned

Our assessment of the two players' alignments have not been affected by Champion/Crusade speculation.

I am just stating my reads on those two players a bit off-topically.

~Kiana

[Bronya Zaychik]

So, I was thinking.

I'm almost certain that color PT is for people who are W and W/X(short version being because Micc/Nancy Drew was not named as being part of that PT, and when Alisae/PH gave an elemental to someone, it was green aligned, meaning that of the two most likely color PT options, Green and White, White is the only reasonable option).

Which means that the Champion/Crusade are controlled by either Skybird or Icon.

Is it more likely that Skybird deliberately split her vote from her creature, or that Icon is piling as much pressure as he can on SD?

Do note this is all speculation.

-Cerb

Ask Varsoon if a neighborhood exists for White | Green.

Since you have to spend them on game mechanics questions anyway.

I mean, just ideas since you need them.

What are we waiting for now actually? I'm bored and we can end the day soonish please.

Who are we ending the day lynching?

Can't rush to end the day without a consensus actually existing, and one doesn't.

-Cerb

Shining Dreamers appears to be the lynch for today.

[OnTheMark]

Man I wish I was a vig.

The amount of absolutely wrong mechanics, assumptions, and crap on these few pages is staggering.

Varsoon May I please be a vig? Pretty please[/v]

[OnTheMark]

Man I wish I was a vig.

The amount of absolutely wrong mechanics, assumptions, and crap on these few pages is staggering.

Varsoon May I please be a vig? Pretty please

Oh right someone else made a wish and got turned down *sniffles*

Crap

[Bronya Zaychik]

I don't trust anybody with a vig except me. Only we practice gun safety.

That means to say, I don't trust OnTheMark to be on the mark with any form of vig shots.

~Kiana

[Bronya Zaychik]

Varsoon, I wish that our slot wins the game.

[Reasonably Rational]

Yume, I'd like some participation from you. :-/ You're supposed to be driving your hydra, and you have at least a bit of a reprieve since you're not longer at l-2...so use it.

-Cerb

pedit: They're far from the lynch for today. They have an additional double voter on them. Without that, they'd be at 3. If everyone who unvoted them went back to them, they'd be at 7, without that voter.

And there's essentially no chance that double voting creature will actually enable a lynch on them if they're scum.

So, they're only the lynch for today if they're town. Which is bad.
-Cerb

[OnTheMark]

Varsoon, I wish that our slot wins the game.

Kiana that was a joke

[Reasonably Rational]

Oh, and I guess they could also still end up the lynch for today even as scum if they're being bussed, but that player wouldn't be getting bussed D1, and if they were, they'd want to get a lot more credit out of it than anyone can currently claim.

-Cerb

[Bronya Zaychik]

They're far from the lynch for today. They have an additional double voter on them. Without that, they'd be at 3. If everyone who unvoted them went back to them, they'd be at 7, without that voter.

What does this mean. I don't understand your sentence.

Some reason why unvoting happened was to give you time to do whatever you wanted to do. And for Snarky Snowman.

Also we were wary of the wagon because it grew too fast but I did an ISO of both Micc and SD and SD looks way worse by comparison. I told Titus this but I see no harm in sharing this here now.

I'm not sure what you mean by double voting creature. Did we not deduce that they were more than likely town aligned? Titus being a VCA expert discussed this with me too and we came to the same conclusion.

~Kiana

[Bronya Zaychik]

Oh, and I guess they could also still end up the lynch for today even as scum if they're being bussed, but that player wouldn't be getting bussed D1, and if they were, they'd want to get a lot more credit out of it than anyone can currently claim.

-Cerb

If the double voting creature is town, then it's way easier to get a lynch on scum without bussers.

~Kiana

[Reasonably Rational]

Oh, and I guess they could also still end up the lynch for today even as scum if they're being bussed, but that player wouldn't be getting bussed D1, and if they were, they'd want to get a lot more credit out of it than anyone can currently claim.

-Cerb

If the double voting creature is town, then it's way easier to get a lynch on scum without bussers.

~Kiana

I'm saying I find it very doubtful that none of the scum slots in the game have the ability to remove a creature from play.

That means even though there are currently 5(as of last VC) votes on SD, you can only count on 3 of those votes remaining in play when SD hits L-1, if they're scum(or scum want us to THINK they're scum). The highest they ever got was L-2, I believe, so if all those vote come back, they'd only be at 5 votes, ignoring the creature, because it doesn't count if we're voting scum.

That means we're far from a consensus.

-Cerb

[Bronya Zaychik]

That means even though there are currently 5(as of last VC) votes on SD, you can only count on 3 of those votes remaining in play when SD hits L-1, if they're scum(or scum want us to THINK they're scum). The highest they ever got was L-2, I believe, so if all those vote come back, they'd only be at 5 votes, ignoring the creature, because it doesn't count if we're voting scum.

I cannot parse this at all. Maybe you need to rephrase.

I need rest. We will talk about this when I return.

~kiana

[Bronya Zaychik]

Or Titus can discuss this with you when she comes online because she is the voting analysis expert.

[Reasonably Rational]

All I'm saying is that the Champion of the Parish DOES NOT EXIST AS FAR AS LYNCHING SCUM IS CONCERNED, or at least you shouldn't count on their votes.

-Cerb

[Gamma Emerald]

also chara is scum caught in a gambit
skybird is lynch bait and ico possibly is as well but i'm not sure yet

OK wow this is horrible, this feels calculated

that just isnt me as scum tho

Oh yeah or random.

Forgot Random was in the hood.

Until they put the fourth or we get a scum we never lynch outside it.

im not in the hood...

We have two people claiming you're in the hood. Wanna think that over a bit?

[baku and munna]

one of those is mark who had 0 comprehension during that entire discussion
who is the other person?
also skybird fucking outed the hood
and
im
not
in
it

[Reasonably Rational]

It's not even voting analysis.

There are ways to remove creatures in M:tG.
There are multiple scum slots on a team, so 9-12 cards available to them.
It's unlikely none of those cards can remove a creature.
2 of the votes on SD are from a creature.
If they're scum and look like they're going to be lynched, I would expect one of those removal cards to be used to get rid of the creature and reduce the votes on SD by 2.
If they're town, then nothing will be used, most likely, and we'll just mislynch.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

@Gamma: Unless Maid Cafe is coordinating with Skybird/SD/Iconeum, they are not in the hood SD was originally talking about.

-Cerb

[OnTheMark]

also chara is scum caught in a gambit
skybird is lynch bait and ico possibly is as well but i'm not sure yet

OK wow this is horrible, this feels calculated

that just isnt me as scum tho

Oh yeah or random.

Forgot Random was in the hood.

Until they put the fourth or we get a scum we never lynch outside it.

im not in the hood...

We have two people claiming you're in the hood. Wanna think that over a bit?

No. Someone used shorthand for random numbers and I took it to be randomidget.

[Gamma Emerald]

one of those is mark who had 0 comprehension during that entire discussion
who is the other person?
also skybird fucking outed the hood
and
im
not
in
it

Skybird has a different hood?
Like there's the Sky/Ico/SD hood, and then the one with you and 3 others including SD
PEdit: oh god damnit

[Bronya Zaychik]

It's not even voting analysis.

There are ways to remove creatures in M:tG.
There are multiple scum slots on a team, so 9-12 cards available to them.
It's unlikely none of those cards can remove a creature.
2 of the votes on SD are from a creature.
If they're scum and look like they're going to be lynched, I would expect one of those removal cards to be used to get rid of the creature and reduce the votes on SD by 2.
If they're town, then nothing will be used, most likely, and we'll just mislynch.

-Cerb

So, you're supposing that Creature is either a) arrogant dumb town, or b) scum? Why not C) that Champion uses their powers to influence a scum lynch. Scum lynches can occur because scum lack the power or do not want to take the risk saving a partner.

There are more conversations with assumptions flowing through and it's rather annoying.

[Reasonably Rational]

It's not even voting analysis.

There are ways to remove creatures in M:tG.
There are multiple scum slots on a team, so 9-12 cards available to them.
It's unlikely none of those cards can remove a creature.
2 of the votes on SD are from a creature.
If they're scum and look like they're going to be lynched, I would expect one of those removal cards to be used to get rid of the creature and reduce the votes on SD by 2.
If they're town, then nothing will be used, most likely, and we'll just mislynch.

-Cerb

So, you're supposing that Creature is either a) arrogant dumb town, or b) scum? Why not C) that Champion uses their powers to influence a scum lynch. Scum lynches can occur because scum lack the power or do not want to take the risk saving a partner.

There are more conversations with assumptions flowing through and it's rather annoying.

OMG NO.

...

You people need to learn how to read.

I'm not talking about Creature, the player.

I'm talking about the Champion of the Parish, the fucking creature(lower fucking case) that is responsible for 2 of the votes on SD, and which, if they are scum, will almost certainly be REMOVED before the lynching vote is placed, so the assumption that SD is the lynch for today is really friggin dumb, because the pressure on them is WAY less than it appears if they're actually scum.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

And..what's the risk for scum n using a removal spell to force town to put more votes into a lynch they don't hvae the support for?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

The fundamental point Im' making is Kiana was making a silly assumption when she was thinking that SD was the lynch for today, when there are only 3 *real* votes on the slot, and there were never more than 5 *real* votes on the slot at any point.

-Cerb