VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Chara]

Yume not mentioned in the above post because i find mastina the easier head to read, not because they aren't both relevant. i don't know the difference between Yume's scumplay and townplay, but i don't find the part of Alisae's case that's related to Yume to be very convincing. the mastina half is ok.

i wish there was less yelling from that corner. it doesn't make things any easier to understand. and i didn't ask for the extra vote, i certainly would have said no to it if you'd asked first. :>

[Iconeum]

I know my play has been underwhelming this game, but I really can't help it. First time in a game this size, and I'm having actual trouble keeping up the pace.

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I cannot believe Purple Heart/Shining D is a tvt fight, I feel it is TvS. In that scenario, I'd be lynching Shining D over Purple Heart and upon a town flip, lynch Purple Heart.
The lack of effort in the PT by mastina to sell us the scum!Alisea lynch, and the strange 'townread before I posted' + the strange 'scumread on Skybird' before posted is enough for me.

I'm also questioning RR for his opportunistic attack on OTM, i've had a pretty solid townread on OTM and it really felt like attemting to shade the slot.
2876 RR begins shading OTM, for underwhelming reasons. Calling that an awful post but continuing to quote others regarding games isn't very impressive.

After reading RR's iso (hoping i didn't miss anything), I feel the slot is dancing around Shining D's wagon. Not trying to stop it, not pushing it, just keeping distance. Of all things, RR chooses to attack OTM.

I'm pushing RR after we lynch Shining D.

[Purple Heart]

IM NOT IT A HOOD

Cool. Didn't think you were.

I just literally need a translator for ALL of

OnTheMark's

posts.

@Alisae/Taly that’s a towntell
If nancy was scum she’d have just asked her buddies.

Why is this the only thing in the game that you're taking at face value?

I only voted Iconeum halfway through, and I haven't seen a reason to leave

.____.

I starting to see what

Maid Cafe

and

Alisae

saw in the fact that you're being pretty vague and not open much at all.

Why haven't you replied to

Iconeum

? He's posted multiple times and you haven't engaged. I highly doubt, with 16 players other than yourself, and with this much to read in the game; that's your only scumread, or the only person worth pushing.

What did I miss of his?

....Any possible post he's had since your vote on him about 1500 posts ago.

I'm still mentally voting you.

Um I did respond by saying I didn't really have a good counter? Like on the surface it's a decent case but I myself feel like it's not accurate.

If you disagree, then say something about it.

Seriously, why am I coaching you? Do I have to elaborate on why it's anti-town to

NOT

respond to a wagon,

ESPECIALLY

if the person in question IS actually town?

The only thing I'm taking away from this is that you skimmed through

Micc's

ISO or something, and did vague follow-up posts about your reads.

Oh and FYI I think those Creatures belong to scum.

The white ones.

Just a hunch.

Self-Reminder to wagon the shit out of this if both of us make it to D2.

I would think removal of Creatures is town aligned. But what do I know?

To be honest, I don't know what you know.

Except for the fact that literally almost this entire dayphase, you've been creating dichotomies and discredited anyone's differing reads.

Hell, I even wrote it off as playstyle because I don't know what else you're doing.

The ability to remove a creature might actually be a spell card, I think I remember seeing that somewhere that there are cards that let you send a creature back to its owner, maybe not for mtg but I feel like even if so it would be similar across trading card games
PEdit: OTM confirms my suspicions

What suspicions? What could you POSSIBLY have other than an Iconeum scumread?

You claimed Miller. Your replacement rescinded.

1)

If you're talking about

"Alisae's"

replacement, then it's me. Hi.

2)

And if you ARE referring to me; then I don't know what you're talking about here.

Chara

fakeclaimed Miller and my claim was pretty clear in 263.

Me, RR, Alisae, Dunnstral, MathBlade, Venmar, Bronya Zaychik
(I am explicitly leaving chara out since we shouldn't stack votes openly)

There roll a dice in that pool take out anyone you don't like but keep the pool big.
Roughly what I think we should do if we are making suggestions.

~B

Take me out please.
Everyone thinks I am an idiot. The rest of the list I am okay with.

I don't think you're an idiot at all. Quite the opposite, actually.

That's why I'm beginning to rethink my read on you.

oh i was just referring to the non-stop altslips being done by everyone

EXCUSE me.
My 'altslips' were because the account wasn't actually active; it was impossible to post on the right account at the time.
If I had trouble posting on mastina in a game I was playing as that account, you can bet your ass I'd post on mastin2 or some well-known hydra account or the like, since I'm gonna play and not wait for the stupid activation.

..............

You can be less overt in ignoring my posts 1869 - 2109 - 2281 - 2309 - 2520 - 2748 that have ANY mention of direct questioning to you.

Honestly, I don't care whether it's

Yume

or

Mastina

who responds to me at this point, I cannot see town doing this.

Though that does remind me.

Spoiler: mastina posts, pre-hydra

Btw,

-Hydra isn't activated yet, but inevitably-it'll-be-Aristophanes doesn't take long to activate hydras, but at the moment can't post within it for this game.

-For the most part, I'm intending to let Yume drive. I have a very, very, VERY bad tendency when I hydra with players to more or less smother them out--yet I'm only in this game because Yume was kind enough to offer me the chance to hydra, so at all costs I want to avoid that. The IDEA is to let her do her own thing and to only do my thing when it doesn't interfere with her thing and/or when she specifically wants/needs me to do my thing (e.g. needing feedback). I don't intend to slack off, but I don't intend to rob her of her chance to play.

In other words,
No Worries, For those who want a Rest from me; you'll get that during every Day phase.

Oh, also.
I think this is important to claim.

NOBODY CAST ANY VOTES UNTIL OUR HYDRA HAS HAD A CHANCE TO CAST VOTES.

We have a very, very strong ability which has a very, very specific trigger--and every time a player votes before we use this, the ability becomes weaker.
Go ahead and FoS all you want, but for the duration of the time we are alive, this will apply at the beginning of every day phase.

Oh.

Orrrrrr...our ability could be ridiculously, ridiculously week of the mod correction means anything.
Disregard my message then.

(THIS IS WHY WORDING IN ROLE PMS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE MY INTERPRETATION OF THE ROLE WAS A GAMEBREAKINGLY POWERFUL ABILITY AND YET V IS TELLING ME HE MEANT SOMETHING ELSE WITH THAT WORDING. /rant )

Also, mastina, is it a rule that you HAVE to start every game making some claim about your role?
-Cerb

Only in a Varsoon game.

I never actually quoted them before now.

I AM JUST ANNOUNCING THAT I AM TOWN DON'T MIND ME.

Sorry, but I counterclaim. I sincerely doubt you are town given that I am town.

It's taken you several hundred posts to move a vote on our slot, but this entire time you've been saying lynch us, and dismissing my points of engagement to you.

Did it take you this long to commit to a push on us because you KNOW we're town?

Also @Bee - Ur probably town judging by post count cuz either you lurk early and Claire does the heavy lifting if you were scum tell me where to vote.

So this is 100% a scum post.

The question isn't whether Alisae is scum.

The question is whether this is Alisae talking to a scumbuddy openly (Maid Cafe is scum) or Alisae blatantly buddying the FUCK out of bee who is the person that above all others Alisae as scum would be aiming to pocket here (Maid Cafe is town).

Surprisingly enough--I'd actually buy the latter as more likely.

This ENTIRE reasoning IGNORES ME.

Did Creature disappear or did you guys post a whole lot in a smal amount of time?

The answer is yes.

Thats not what makes me concerned.
What does make me concerned is that during the day, Micc can steal mana from people.
Say he makes me lose all of the mana I gain during the day and I had 3 mana.
He then gains 3 mana.

I probably fucked up in the first place by claiming I copied Micc but oh well.
If he's scum, now he's forced to target a scummy person and we can leash that.

Also if anyone wants to know why I targetted Micc, I targetted Micc because when I ISO'd him, his push on my predecessor looked really scummy to me. He was basicly pushing a lot of "facts" and it didn't really come across as a read. It felt like something that was really easy to justify a push off of.

Not to mention I feel like the strength of the read given how far the day has progressed is unnaturally strong.
Like, I read it and I am concerned about how he was able to form a read of that strength so early. It makes me feel like he already has all of the answers already.

Plus, 703 is actually bad imo. I disagree with claiming to spur discussion, but that IS a town motivated thought of wanting people to talk. And it completely feels like he's not even attempting to analyze Taly's motivation. Like, what does scum!Taly have from claiming that besides towncred? Why would scum!Taly claim it in the first place? Like, it doesn't make sense for him to claim that as scum at all imo.

The whole read to me feels unnatural and agenda based so...

VOTE: Alisae

ALISAE IS IN A HYDRA WITH ME.

I AM TALY.

WE ARE PURPLE HEART.

HELLO. THANKS FOR SAYING ALISAE IS SCUM FOR DEFENDING OUR SLOT.

I have never seen so many terrible mastina posts
I have never faced scum!mastina
I think this might be scum!mastina

I have never seen so many terrible Alisae posts
I have never faced scum!Alisae
I think this might be scum!Alisae

Btw should prolly stop here for the night; I still have to eat and it's almost midnight, the time I should be going to bed and it does take me time to eat.

Stopping at 58.

You're only halfway in the game?

I... I don't believe this. You're in a hydra. You can pose questions. Why would you even post WITHOUT trying to fully review the thread.

You're focused entirely on

Maid Cafe

and

Purple Heart (us)

, and it doesn't sense anymore.

I didn't get the

Skybird

push either.

Yes please

Hope this helps.

Titus/Kiana.

I need a video too D:

actually not sure how i managed to get behind here, when i thought i was reading every page. certainly an impressive pace. :<

i'm also scumreading mastina (i think she's firmly in her scum meta right now, though she could certainly still be town) but Alisae's play is giving me some worried vibes and i'm having a hard time managing to read em.

You know, you CAN actually engage discuss ANYTHING with me if you have doubts with the Alisae slot.

Because, well, I don't mean to out people but like....

We're in a hydra together.

Try to play less safe if you're town.

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I can waste more time saying why my scumread on Shining Dreamers is restrengthened; but I feel like I'm just an extra voice right now.

VOTE: Shining Dreamers

I know

Alisae

already voted. This is to make myself feel a little better.

~ Taly

[Purple Heart]

RR, Venmar, MC, Bronya, A50, Sky

Please help my sanity.

~ Taly

[Purple Heart]

omg, even

Creature

.

he could do something for a change.

~ Taly

[Chara]

You know, you CAN actually engage discuss ANYTHING with me if you have doubts with the Alisae slot.

i know you're a hydra. i said Alisae's play. not Alisae and Taly's play. i'll get to you.

[Chara]

Iconeum: sort of townreading it. just a little. whalere are your thoughts on me right now, Ico?

[Chara]

However, it seems there are a couple of people who think otherwise. Like, I don't want to tell you what to do with your role, but I'm legit pissed at Ali for coming up with this shit.

Almost isn't lying about losing his vote. if he is, it's not a scum lie.
the last time we lost it, we were scum. and powers don't have alignments.
you can lie detect it if you want, though. considering there'a nothing else you want to lie detect, Snarky!

Almost, i'm pretty lost this game. it's cool if you're lost too, but if you're not, help me out?

[Chara]

whalere

what + where = whalere?

[Maid Cafe]

Hey Chara what are your thoughts on A50.

~B

[Chara]

undecided. no reason to think scum, though. last post has the rest.

[Iconeum]

Iconeum: sort of townreading it. just a little. whalere are your thoughts on me right now, Ico?

I would have lynched you if there was actual support for it. Yet for some reason a lot of players believe the fake claim and pushing a town lynch strategy = Chara town

Your readlist in 1719 is also something that bothers me. RR and Shining D is way too high, and Skybird way too low. I also don't see you pushing baku and muna (lowest on your list), so in all I really don't like your slot.

Shining D flip would provide me with more information, and there is literally no support to push you, so that's the reason I'm not. Yet.

[Purple Heart]

In reflection, 2927 is an unnecessarily charged post and I redact its intensity.

I'm not going to let myself get fumed or seem aggressive to that extent. I'm not even angry, I just typically hold strong convictions whenever I'm not waffling or uncertain about something.

I also take interest and a liking in this game quite a bit, and I want to provide a good atmosphere to reflect that.

However, the sentiments and thoughts in that post still stand.

~ Taly

[Reasonably Rational]

Well done Icon, you managed to notice that I'm not sure if I think SD is scum or not, and that in the absence of certainty, I prefer to not lynch good players, especially not before they're caught up with the game!

Though to be fair, were I scum with her and inclined to try to save her(which I wouldn't be, because, saving teammates who get themselves lynched D1 is for losers), this would *probably* be similar to the method I'd employ,finding mechanical reasons to extend things and thus move us past the critical moments when sentiment is against them, while simultaneously doing things like dissuading people of the strength and certainty of their lynch, so a CW can be swung as soon as someone who isn't me starts pushing it.

So, your instincts are good, if this were the kind of thing I did, and I were scum with them. ^^

Speaking of CW's: @MC, didn't you mention something about having a counterwagon planned?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Oh.

I should probably also mention my distaste for Icon's plans as laid out. Lynch 1 strong player, if they flip town, lynch another strong player that's guiding the game, and then if they flip town, lynch *another* strong/vocal player.

...

Don't care so much about my place in that set of plans, but the SDvPH=TvS with such certainty that he wants to just lynch through the two of them certainly isn't acceptable.

-Cerb

[OnTheMark]

I want to see what Bryona makes of Iconeum hopping on but that is a good point Cerb.

Bryona has been pushing me to consider Iconeum and I find it rather telling that both Ico and Skybird are on Shining once someone else votes there but they don’t start it.

I have a strong feeling Mastina is town. This wagon composition on Dreamers is crap.

[OnTheMark]

Oh.

I should probably also mention my distaste for Icon's plans as laid out. Lynch 1 strong player, if they flip town, lynch another strong player that's guiding the game, and then if they flip town, lynch *another* strong/vocal player.

...

Don't care so much about my place in that set of plans, but the SDvPH=TvS with such certainty that he wants to just lynch through the two of them certainly isn't acceptable.

-Cerb

@Cerb what do you make of the Taly head of the hydra doing the same?
Lynch Shining a strong player, lynch me, a strong player.

[Maid Cafe]

I think we should just read people based on play and not wagon composition.
I don't think SD is scum so I don't actually care in this situation but for future reference I am going to be against that line of reasoning.

~B

[OnTheMark]

I think we should just read people based on play and not wagon composition.
I don't think SD is scum so I don't actually care in this situation but for future reference I am going to be against that line of reasoning.

~B

Who do you think is scum?

[Maid Cafe]

I mean I am voting someone who I think is scum right now.

~B

[Purple Heart]

Oh.

I should probably also mention my distaste for Icon's plans as laid out. Lynch 1 strong player, if they flip town, lynch another strong player that's guiding the game, and then if they flip town, lynch *another* strong/vocal player.

...

Don't care so much about my place in that set of plans, but the SDvPH=TvS with such certainty that he wants to just lynch through the two of them certainly isn't acceptable.

-Cerb

@Cerb what do you make of the Taly head of the hydra doing the same?
Lynch Shining a strong player, lynch me, a strong player.

Did I say I want to lynch you? I'm pointing out things that make me question my read on you. Don't twist it.

I need to leave. I have class. I'll be back later.

~ Taly

[Maid Cafe]

Micc/Gamma/+2

Is where I am at.
+2 is staying at +2 though since I am unsure on one and the other I need to wait for something to develop.

~B

[OnTheMark]

@Taly yes you did. In post 2927 you redact its loudness but keep its points.

One of which was “Self-Reminder to wagon the shit out of this if both of us make it to D2.”

So chaining lynches. First Dreamers then me sans flip.

@Cerb would love your thoughts

[Maid Cafe]

Does anyone have a Gamma town case?

~B

[Bronya Zaychik]

@Mark, What is your read on Iconeum? I don't like repeating myself.

Also, I would not like any more votes out early ty.