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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:43 am

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@oxy, so you have put all this effort in and came out with nothing because?
In post 146, skitter30 wrote:or that you're being kinda difficult with her but much more open with me.
I think he was tunneling me (I felt tunneled) and that's were his unwillingness to talk to me came from.
In post 146, skitter30 wrote:I actually think this is a fairly interesting bit of info tbh. If someone believes someone to be a stronger player, they'll read them differently than if they think they're a weaker player; the perceived capability of a player often affects the read.
Alright I understnad that, but how is it going to help eth0s solve the game? Is this meta related?
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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:58 am

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because mafia is not an easy game. I don't understand what you're trying to get out of this.
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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:06 am

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I want to know what conclusions you have come up with after reading my iso that your read on me stayed the same.
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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:08 am

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Would you be willing to share your reads, Sajj?
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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:09 am

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Sure, after I get what I want from you.
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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:12 am

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I read that as after I read your ISO of 1851 - correct?

I concluded that you are proficient at faking scum hunting when playing as scum. I concluded that you would be a difficult slot to pin down, and I concluded that your slot would best be left to analysis on a future day once VCA and NKs can be taken into account.
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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:31 am

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Yup, that's what I needed, thank you (sorry if getting on your nerves).

town lean: ofrhz
no read need more time: ruru, eth0s, Drixx, skitter30
need to figure out if I'm omgusing: oxy
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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:33 am

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Feel free to just ask the next time you need a compliment ;P
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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:35 am

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I'm not sorry at all about anything ever.
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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:36 am

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lolol
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:11 am

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In post 132, Scioness Sajj wrote:
In post 118, ruru wrote:I think it could give information about people's personalities which aren't AI by themselves but can be compared to their actions. (I also was trying to move the game forward.)
Could you elaborate on this? I mean, an example where chosing and aligment and acting in specific way gives you a result.
I would prefer to answer this later because answering it now could change people's behavior.
Why did you want to moved the game from the state it was in?
It's not easy to form reads based on the writing of people I haven't met before, since I don't have anything to compare it to, so I wanted to try a new approach.

BTW, so far I have answers from skitter, Oxy, and ofrhz, but not from eth0s, and Drixx, or you, Sajj. I'd love to hear from the rest!
In post 125, eth0s wrote:I will say there seems to be a lot of scum hunters in this game which I am not used to, especially in newbie queue. I think this game will be a head scratcher
I don't like this very much at all. Similar to "wow, that sucks" after a PR gets NKed, it just seems too easy for scum to post about how hard/confusing the game is without contributing much.
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:33 am

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I'd pick vig to shoot Oxy in the face.

If we are talking setup specific I'd go with vt or maybe jailkeep.
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:20 am

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In post 150, Scioness Sajj wrote:@oxy, so you have put all this effort in and came out with nothing because?
I don't like this. You come off as smarter than this.
In post 150, Scioness Sajj wrote:
In post 146, skitter30 wrote:or that you're being kinda difficult with her but much more open with me.
I think he was tunneling me (I felt tunneled) and that's were his unwillingness to talk to me came from.
Don't like this either. When has he demonstrated an unwillingness to talk? Your 1v1 with Oxy makes up like 30% of this game so far
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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:34 am

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You mean I come off as smarter the this (what is this?)?

Example being me having to make a trade with him just now. My reads for an answer to his to my question. I can quote examples if you want more. The 1v1 felt pretty one-sided to me though.
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:38 am

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Hmm maybe a different way.
Unwillingness to talk me as in he makes it hard for me to get answers from him/refuses to give them.
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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:22 pm

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In post 163, Scioness Sajj wrote:You mean I come off as smarter the this (what is this?)?
Forgive me because this is going to sound blunt, but the question you asked in was a stupid question. It's possible for people to read someone's posts and still walk away undecided about a slot. Based on what you've previously posted, I think you know enough about the game and are smart enough to know that. So I think post 150 was out of character.

Additionally, I don't like it when people ask things like "so you have put all this effort in and came out with nothing because?" because it discourages people from trying. Intent is a large part of this game, which includes trying to scumhunt.
In post 163, Scioness Sajj wrote: Example being me having to make a trade with him just now. My reads for an answer to his to my question. I can quote examples if you want more. The 1v1 felt pretty one-sided to me though.
Interesting. I didn't pick up on this earlier, but i'm going to go back and read with this in mind once I get off work.
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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:45 pm

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In post 165, ofrhz wrote:
In post 163, Scioness Sajj wrote:You mean I come off as smarter the this (what is this?)?
Forgive me because this is going to sound blunt, but the question you asked in was a stupid question. It's possible for people to read someone's posts and still walk away undecided about a slot.
139, 144, 148 and 150 is me trying to find out why his read stayed the same. It feels like you assume everytime I ask a question I ask it becuase I'm suspecting somebody, but that's not it.
You have read 150 and had thoughts about it, has it chnaged your read on me or created an new one? I don't know but you have had an opinion you have shared with me/everybody. I understand what makes you think the way you do. Oxy has read 200 or so of my posts, he had to think something when he read them but he wouldn't tell me why his read stayed the same. I'm fine with him being undecided about my slot, but I want to know why his read stayed the same, because there is a reason it stayed the same.
Based on what you've previously posted, I think you know enough about the game and are smart enough to know that. So I think post 150 was out of character.
That's really generous of you, but I'm nowhere close to knowing enough or 'knowing' anyhing at all. And it's not like there is one right way to solve the game.
Additionally, I don't like it when people ask things like "so you have put all this effort in and came out with nothing because?" because it discourages people from trying. Intent is a large part of this game, which includes trying to scumhunt.
:roll: Wanna talk about discouragment? Shall we talk about four questions I've had to ask and one trade becasue Oxy woulnd't tell me why his read on my stayed the same? And when I finally get an answer it soon after gets dissmissed with a joke about me looking for compliments.
I don't think that question, or anything I will say, would discourage Oxy. He has started with an early scumread on me and has been poking around ever since. I believe his thoughts on me are developing he just don't want to share them.
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:52 pm

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I didn't mean to discourage you. I tried to answer your questions earnestly. Please regard this post as an invitation to ask any questions you have of me whenever you have them.
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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:57 pm

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In post 167, Oxy wrote:I didn't mean to discourage you. I tried to answer your questions earnestly. Please regard this post as an invitation to ask any questions you have of me whenever you have them.
This post deserves no town points.
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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:58 pm

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It wasn't meant to. Games are about having fun. I'm not looking to discourage someone from having fun. Let's find a way to have fun. =)
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:00 pm

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The joke also wasn't meant to dismiss your question. Just to return your joke from earlier - I thought you took it well with and . I'll refrain from teasing you in the future if you would prefer it?
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:15 pm

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If you didn't take it well, and wasn't a joke, were you saying that you think I should be the lynch today?
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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:31 pm

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169 - I don't take anything that has happend in this game personally, you can stop ate'ing.
In post 170, Oxy wrote:The joke also wasn't meant to dismiss your question.
Never said it did. You have dismissed your own answer.
In post 171, Oxy wrote:If you didn't take it well, and wasn't a joke, were you saying that you think I should be the lynch today?
You've got my readlist.
In post 167, Oxy wrote:I didn't mean to discourage you.
I tried to answer your questions earnestly.
Please regard this post as an invitation to ask any questions you have of me whenever you have them.
Sure you did, honey. Example below.
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In post 151, Oxy wrote:because mafia is not an easy game. I don't understand what you're trying to get out of this.
In post 152, Scioness Sajj wrote:I want to know what conclusions you have come up with after reading my iso that your read on me stayed the same.
In post 153, Oxy wrote:Would you be willing to share your reads, Sajj?
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:41 pm

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In post 172, Scioness Sajj wrote:169 - I don't take anything that has happend in this game personally, you can stop ate'ing.
I'm glad to hear that. I'm all for friendly ribbing, but I'm like super not about ruining someone else's fun.

Back on the game: I can't help but notice that you're finding a lot of ways to imply that you think I'm scum without actually calling me scum. 1)Your vote isn't on me. 2)In your read list you didn't call me scum, you said "need to figure out if I'm omgusing." 3)You said I would be a good vigi shot 4)When asked if you thought I was a good lynch you said "You've got my readlist."

I won't beat around the bush. I think that behavior is scummy.
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:41 pm

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lmao good one
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