VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Bronya Zaychik]

Oh Maki might just be familiar with those anyway. Thanks for covering. Woof!

[Taly]

Yes, and you just fucked catching the other scum today, based on their associatives with your guilties, by stating it outright for no fucking reason 4 hours into the phrase.

-Cerb

Sorry I have literally 0 idea how to approach this day phase when like none of the town want to cooperate.

~B

You should have shut up until everyone spoke if you wanted to get more information and people weren't cooperating, instead of just saying that to what is effectively no benefit.

Yes, you might get some reactions, but it would be way stronger to specifically push people you suspect of being teammates of your confirmed scum to condemn said scum, to either strengthen or weaken your scumread on them, at the least.

Now you can't do that nearly as effectively.

-Cerb

You do know

Maid Cafe

was also referencing you when she was talking about town not cooperating, right?

Please, come back when you're more willing to game solve. :/

Explain why you tracked who you tracked.

I didn't have any thoughts on who might have a visiting power so I just scattershotted to learn as many as possible.

Alisae

really dislikes this post, and I'm not sure about it.

This seems pretty random.

1)

You had no reads to try and emphasize here? Even out of that pool of people you say you tracked?

2)

Nobody you wanted to confirm who could've been lying?

3)

Also, what do you mean by visiting power? What is the relevance here for you?

I mean I have to do the following things.

All within 48 hours.
Get my town reads to cooperate.
Sell you on my reads being correct.
Make sure people don't waste day actions.

Like idk it's hard to play this correctly.

~B

If you have two guilties, Cerb is correct that you should have waited. Since you did not, I'd recommend creating two pools that contain your guilties (could be 1 1 or 0 2) to test reactions on lynching.

~Titus

I can see the value in doing this, but that could paint townplayers unfavorably and create WIFOM. Can you explain this a bit more?

Also, I don't like how

Nancy

looks, but she's done nothing yet. Pushing there at the moment seems fruitless.

Gamma

has posted things that have pinged both heads of this hydra.

@Venmar

Alisae:

you should also explain to venmar that we have an idea what is going on because we're reading varsoon's mechanic posts and it explains what exactly is going on in those

^^ This is for

Drixx

, too... and honestly everyone else.

[Maid Cafe]

@cerb/snarky did your lie detect give you mana?

~B

[Bronya Zaychik]

@Taly, By dividing up players into pools but leaving the possibility as to a pool being completely innocent, scum may try to FoS an innocent pool. Or, if they hard bus, they'll lock themselves out of mls for later. It's a method of forcing associatives and getting talking.

@Maid, I'll have my hydra partner do more detail on each name in the list.

[Maid Cafe]

So 15 minutes before the day ended yesterday we were put into a hood with the Baku slot. Which I don't think is a coincidence given how short 15 minutes is.

We think that putting us in a hood was a requirement for Baku to get mana, kinda like how Micc needed to grant tokens in order to gain mana so Baku added us to a hood in order to cast the U/G sword to quick hammer SD.

They probably didn't have much of a regard for how obvious that was because we were probably supposed to die but since Mathblade got a guilty on them they didn't have the ability to kill us.

Also Baku claimed there role was U/G which is the exact color of the sword and by play they are being kinda evasive in regards to the thread so they aren't really town by play either.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I thought I had a guilty on Gamma but I misread mod communication kek.

~B

[Reasonably Rational]

@cerb/snarky did your lie detect give you mana?

~B

I did not have a lie detect, and as I previously stated, my ability did not generate mana.

@Taly: I'm well aware that I'm among those they found uncooperative, which is immaterial to the salience of my point that there were plenty of people who hadn't spoken yet, who could easily be among those who'd be willing to follow their lead.

Alisae, I'm also reading the mechanics post, clearly, and they don't support the suppositions you're making, in the context of the previous mechanics posts.

-Cerb

[Maid Cafe]

These are who scum will try and get lynched to win (also town)

Iconeum
Skybird
Dunnstral
Purple Heart

These are Town (I assume you guys are good to not lynch these)

Chara
Bronya Zaychik
Reasonably Rational

Not "Obvious Town" but is still town enough

Creature

-------------------------------DO NOT LYNCH ABOVE THIS LINE-------------------------------

Other scum

SnarkySnowman
Venmar (If Gamma flips town move this to Creature tier)
Nancy Drew 39

All these are scum

Almost50
Gamma Emerald
Baku and Munna

[Taly]

@Taly, By dividing up players into pools but leaving the possibility as to a pool being completely innocent, scum may try to FoS an innocent pool. Or, if they hard bus, they'll lock themselves out of mls for later. It's a method of forcing associatives and getting talking.

@Maid, I'll have my hydra partner do more detail on each name in the list.

Both Alisae and I agree with this method in helping force associatives.

But the hesitation, is that if we don't lynch soon, abilities will be triggered and that could cause more issues.

That's why she wants me to to help out guilties, and why claiming MtG roles now is what I'm pushing.

Alisae:

what I want is whatever

Bee

wants.

@cerb/snarky did your lie detect give you mana?

~B

I did not have a lie detect, and as I previously stated, my ability did not generate mana.

@Taly: I'm well aware that I'm among those they found uncooperative, which is immaterial to the salience of my point that there were plenty of people who hadn't spoken yet, who could easily be among those who'd be willing to follow their lead.

Alisae, I'm also reading the mechanics post, clearly, and they don't support the suppositions you're making, in the context of the previous mechanics posts.

-Cerb

Elaborate on your view of the mechanics post.

So 15 minutes before the day ended yesterday we were put into a hood with the Baku slot. Which I don't think is a coincidence given how short 15 minutes is.

We think that putting us in a hood was a requirement for Baku to get mana, kinda like how Micc needed to grant tokens in order to gain mana so Baku added us to a hood in order to cast the U/G sword to quick hammer SD.

They probably didn't have much of a regard for how obvious that was because we were probably supposed to die but since Mathblade got a guilty on them they didn't have the ability to kill us.

Also Baku claimed there role was U/G which is the exact color of the sword and by play they are being kinda evasive in regards to the thread so they aren't really town by play either.

~B

This and 3280 are reaffirming a lot of me and

Alisae's

scumreads.

Maid Cafe, if you vote on the Baku-Munna Wagon, I

WILL

follow. Alisae has permitted be to do this under that condition.

Also, Alisae agrees with your readslist, but still thinks Creature is town.
I'd also say to move Nancy town a tier.
I don't know about Almost50.

[Reasonably Rational]

Roles created before alignments.

Why would B&M hood you when they could hood their teammates instead? Other than a clause specifically saying the ability could only be used on people who you did not already share a PT with.

-Cerb

[Taly]

DOWN* a tier. Not town, in regards to Nancy's read.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Taly: I already did? They're identical, except one specifically references the unique characteristics of the game(spells, mana generation, etc), and the other references the *only* characteristic of this game, one's role.

-Cerb

[Maid Cafe]

Roles created before alignments.

Why would B&M hood you when they could hood their teammates instead? Other than a clause specifically saying the ability could only be used on people who you did not already share a PT with.

-Cerb

Maybe I wasn't meant to die, and I just wasn't expected to make the connection.
Or there was a condition.

Do you really think it was a coincidence, like I am not joking we got the hood and then the day ended all within 15 minutes.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I can get into play but do you even town read that?

~B

[Taly]

Roles created before alignments.

To be clear, all roles for Undertale Mafia were made AFTER alignments were assigned.

Why would B&M hood you when they could hood their teammates instead? Other than a clause specifically saying the ability could only be used on people who you did not already share a PT with.

-Cerb

Alisae:

Easy. They didn't think about it.

Alisae:

I mean I am interpretting that mechanic as "each day phase there the game/theme changes and we play a different setup"

[Taly]

Alisae:

shut the fuck up and sheep beeboy thank you

My words would've been nicer with kitty pics. But yeah.

[Maid Cafe]

I don't know about Almost50.

I feel like no one is going to ever lynch A50 this game lol.

[Reasonably Rational]

Roles created before alignments.

To be clear, all roles for Undertale Mafia were made AFTER alignments were assigned.

Why would B&M hood you when they could hood their teammates instead? Other than a clause specifically saying the ability could only be used on people who you did not already share a PT with.

-Cerb

Alisae:

Easy. They didn't think about it.

Alisae:

I mean I am interpretting that mechanic as "each day phase there the game/theme changes and we play a different setup"

Alisae, you're making a dumb assumption. Never make assumptions. There is no basis for you to assume that's the case. There is also no basis to assume that it isn't the case, particularly since the original mechanics information did not mention that roles could change. That throws all other "planeschase" like mechanics into doubt regarding how informative they'll be, or how accurately they'll reflect what could possibly happen.

We're talking about M:tG mechanics, not Undertale mechanics, so the fact that undertale roles were made *after* alignments were assigned is irrelevant.

Do you have so little respect for the players in that slot(and their teammates, whoever they might be) to think they would just leave a trail leading to themselves like that? Particularly since it was so obvious that the artifact was played by scum, and the board was wiped, preventing it from being tracked to them...which would indicate enough foresight that they were concerned with it being tracked to them.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

A50 will be lynched within the next 1.5 day phases if I'm still alive and he remains terrible.

And yes, he's terrible so far.

-Cerb

[Maid Cafe]

Do you think how a lot of my reads revolve around scum being "too self aware to do X" would mean that they really just didn't expect me to scum read them for that?

~B

pedit: <3

[Taly]

I don't know about Almost50.

I feel like no one is going to ever lynch A50 this game lol.

I mean, when/if my scumreads are validated and flip scum, I'll probably be more open to this.

But personally, I don't know at the moment.

@Cerb

I'm not going to continue discussing this. Neither head sees the point with what you're bringing up here.

Varsoon, can you clarify what exactly changes with each dayphase?

[Reasonably Rational]

Do you think how a lot of my reads revolve around scum being "too self aware to do X" would mean that they really just didn't expect me to scum read them for that?

~B

pedit: <3

Here's the thing man.

There's so many other players they could have put into a PT with themselves that way.

People who are less observant, and less vocal, and less RISKY...even ignoring the teammate option.

You...just don't make sense as the person to use to set that ability up.

Also, what was the benefit of timing it that way? Random knows Varsoon allows the submission of actions with triggers, the only timed thing we knew about was my question asking ability. Had up to 49 hours to separate themselves from that action in your mind if they just let me get the one additional question.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

The answer to your question, Taly, will be no. Because I literally told him I'd replace out if shit changed again the same way, and he said he hoped I'd stay, and couldn't tell me anything more.

-Cerb

[Taly]

That's not quite an answer, though?

[Gamma Emerald]

In post 3254, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 3240, Taly wrote:
Explain why you tracked who you tracked.


I didn't have any thoughts on who might have a visiting power so I just scattershotted to learn as many as possible.



Alisae really dislikes this post, and I'm not sure about it.

This seems pretty random.

1) You had no reads to try and emphasize here? Even out of that pool of people you say you tracked?

2) Nobody you wanted to confirm who could've been lying?

3) Also, what do you mean by visiting power? What is the relevance here for you?

1) No good PR reads, yes.
2) I didn't recall any claims of night visiting PRs.
3) Visiting power equals anything that can be tracked. If I'd suspected someone of of having one and figured they's use it I'd likely have tracked only them to get my 2 white mana. But since I had no ideas there I just figured it would be smarter to track the max and look to get results to use on later nights to gain mana.