VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Taly]

The answer to your question, Taly, will be no. Because I literally told him I'd replace out if shit changed again the same way, and he said he hoped I'd stay, and couldn't tell me anything more.

-Cerb

Alisae:

okay then we have 2 different interpretations. You can have your interpretation and I can have mine. They can both exist

[Reasonably Rational]

That's not quite an answer, though?

The conversation continued, with me lambasting him because I would have been happy playing a game advertised as having changing roles, but because it wasn't advertised that way I felt like I had something very enjoyable taken from me(not to mention all the time and effort Drixx and I always invest into figuring out how to best use our ability), and he apologized for things not being the way I expected, and for his inability to advertise the game in a way that accurate reflected what would happen for design reasons.

That last part is why he won't answer your questions. You can always ask though. ^^ I just already did effectively, so, *shrug*.

-Cerb

[Taly]

In post 3254, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 3240, Taly wrote:
Explain why you tracked who you tracked.


I didn't have any thoughts on who might have a visiting power so I just scattershotted to learn as many as possible.



Alisae really dislikes this post, and I'm not sure about it.

This seems pretty random.

1) You had no reads to try and emphasize here? Even out of that pool of people you say you tracked?

2) Nobody you wanted to confirm who could've been lying?

3) Also, what do you mean by visiting power? What is the relevance here for you?

1) No good PR reads, yes.
2) I didn't recall any claims of night visiting PRs.
3) Visiting power equals anything that can be tracked. If I'd suspected someone of of having one and figured they's use it I'd likely have tracked only them to get my 2 white mana. But since I had no ideas there I just figured it would be smarter to track the max and look to get results to use on later nights to gain mana.

1)

Why track PR reads and not scumreads?

2)

How would claims have changed your targets?

3)

So the amount of people you track changes the mana you get from it?

That's not quite an answer, though?

The conversation continued, with me lambasting him because I would have been happy playing a game advertised as having changing roles, but because it wasn't advertised that way I felt like I had something very enjoyable taken from me(not to mention all the time and effort Drixx and I always invest into figuring out how to best use our ability), and he apologized for things not being the way I expected, and for his inability to advertise the game in a way that accurate reflected what would happen for design reasons.

That last part is why he won't answer your questions. You can always ask though. ^^ I just already did effectively, so, *shrug*.

-Cerb

I'm sorry that you feel this way, but there may have been miscommunication here.

That's why I posed an in-thread question, because

Alisae

has a very set interpretation of the mechanics, and based on what I've read myself, I agree with her.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon, can you clarify what exactly changes with each dayphase?

No, because that aspect of the setup is not intended to be public information.

[Reasonably Rational]

Varsoon, can you clarify what exactly changes with each dayphase?[/b][/size]

No, because that aspect of the setup is not intended to be public information.

Yay I'm right again!



-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

@Varsoon: When someone flips, will all of their previous role cards flip as well?

-Cerb

[Varsoon]

When a player flips, all role cards that player has ever had will flip.
This will include their starting hand of cards from Magic the Gathering, as well.
This was the intention behind having OnTheMark flip two different role cards, as the Alphys rolecard would be the rolecard they would have today if they had not died.

[Maid Cafe]

Also, what was the benefit of timing it that way? Random knows Varsoon allows the submission of actions with triggers, the only timed thing we knew about was my question asking ability. Had up to 49 hours to separate themselves from that action in your mind if they just let me get the one additional question.

I don't think a majority of players would be aware of this option

~B

[Maid Cafe]

These are who scum will try and get lynched to win (also town)

Iconeum
Skybird
Dunnstral
Purple Heart

These are Town (I assume you guys are good to not lynch these)

Chara
Bronya Zaychik
Reasonably Rational

Not "Obvious Town" but is still town enough

Creature

-------------------------------DO NOT LYNCH ABOVE THIS LINE-------------------------------

Other scum

SnarkySnowman
Venmar (If Gamma flips town move this to Creature tier)
Nancy Drew 39

All these are scum

Almost50
Gamma Emerald
Baku and Munna

Let it be known I do not fully agreee with this list
~maki

[Maid Cafe]

Oh Maki might just be familiar with those anyway. Thanks for covering. Woof!

^_~ That was a great game
~Maki

[Reasonably Rational]

@Gamma, I need answers on how your tracking results would have been returned for multiple positives.

Also, the questions Taly is asking are reasonable ones. You should probably answer those too.

@MC: You should explain how you screwed up your interpretation of a mod result?

-Cerb

pedit: @B: I know they wouldn't be, but random(and shiro) have both been in numerous PT's with me in previous Varsoon games...and it's the sort of thing I've talked about in those games.

They know.

[Reasonably Rational]

Also @MC: Why is gamma still scum after you admit your interpretation of your varsoon result was wrong? That would indicate that whatever you did, the results confirmed them as scum, which could easily mean the corollary is true, an opposite results confirms them as town. That's not guaranteed, of course, but I believe you understand my point.

-Cerb

[Maid Cafe]

back to lurking I go
if you have a question you need from the lurker head who just tells bee what to do in discord lmk
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

I was voting Gamma EoD yesterday, I literally just think he flips scum.
I'll fully explain later, I want to hold onto all the details.

~B

[Reasonably Rational]

And even if they weren't aware of the trigger option, btw, they could have just *waited* to do it. Again, the only thing that I'm aware of that gave them any reason to rush was my new question unlocking.

If Nancy had expressed a scumread on them I could see them rushing, to avoid having their mana stolen, but in the absence of that, the rush is just really bad play, uncharacteristic of both the plays in the B&M slot.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I wanna hear from more people than just the three of us. Recommend we go silent until the morning and let everyone else weigh in.

-Cerb

[Maid Cafe]

How does a Gamma scum flip impact whether or not they needed to rush the mastina lynch?

~B

[Reasonably Rational]

How does a Gamma scum flip impact whether or not they needed to rush the mastina lynch?

~B

It doesn't, you're misreading what I wrote, and I don't understand how you arrived at that conclusion so I don't know how to correct it. :-/

-Cerb

[Maid Cafe]

And even if they weren't aware of the trigger option, btw, they could have just *waited* to do it. Again, the only thing that I'm aware of that gave them any reason to rush was my new question unlocking.

Sorry, since Gamma was the 2nd largest wagon at the time and people were generally ok with the idea of lynching him.
Do you think that maybe they were worried Mastina would not be at L-3/The Creature unvoted if they waited?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Like I see motivation to rush.
And I also just buy that it could have been a mistake or a condition on the role.
Or they expected me to TR it since I TR odd stuff like, Dunnstral saying "hi".

Those make more sense to me then a really odd coincidence.

Errr I'll step away for now but I am also ok lynching Gamma today.

~B

[Reasonably Rational]

And even if they weren't aware of the trigger option, btw, they could have just *waited* to do it. Again, the only thing that I'm aware of that gave them any reason to rush was my new question unlocking.

Sorry, since Gamma was the 2nd largest wagon at the time and people were generally ok with the idea of lynching him.
Do you think that maybe they were worried Mastina would not be at L-3/The Creature unvoted if they waited?

~B

Depends on how much of their team was already on the wagon. I doubt they were concerned about the creature unvoting though, given that the individual who controlled it had already doubled down with the crusade.

IDK, I feel like the wagon diffusing within, say, 24 hours, was pretty unlikely. I was pretty clearly only passively opposing it, rather than actively doing so, nobody currently voting was expressing any wavering of their position, nobody was strongly defending them, and mastin kept digging the hole deeper.

-Cerb

[Maid Cafe]

Me and Claire decided claiming this was correct. (lol day roleblocker if thats a thing).

We can put 3 people in a hood RBing all of them.

We kinda want to use this to win the game on the spot.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

People in the hood are informed they are roleblocked.
So it's not like scum won't know about this.

[Reasonably Rational]

Me and Claire decided claiming this was correct. (lol day roleblocker if thats a thing).

We can put 3 people in a hood RBing all of them.

We kinda want to use this to win the game on the spot.

~B

I kind of want you to use this on us to prevent us from using the thing I don't want to use.

Requires Drixx input to know if that's the right call.

-Cerb

[Gamma Emerald]

1) You had no reads to try and emphasize here? Even out of that pool of people you say you tracked?

2) Nobody you wanted to confirm who could've been lying?

3) Also, what do you mean by visiting power? What is the relevance here for you?

1) No good PR reads, yes.
2) I didn't recall any claims of night visiting PRs.
3) Visiting power equals anything that can be tracked. If I'd suspected someone of of having one and figured they's use it I'd likely have tracked only them to get my 2 white mana. But since I had no ideas there I just figured it would be smarter to track the max and look to get results to use on later nights to gain mana.[/quote]

1)

Why track PR reads and not scumreads?

2)

How would claims have changed your targets?

3)

So the amount of people you track changes the mana you get from it?[/quote]
Because I wanted the mana, tracker is actually more useful lategame. Claims would have changed my targets by making me go for them specifically. I always get 2 mana if I get them all right or none if any are wrong, but I had no leads so I wanted to get as many leads as possible.