NEWBIE 1858: MEDICAL MAFIA (fin)

[ejjinami]

taking it back. he doesn't random vote as town either. :/

[soulshade55r]

ejjinami - They have been posting a lot and they seem very townie, I'm worried that they are trying to act "too" townie at this point, because it would be a really valid for them to pretend to have intentions maybe ejjinami is purposely seeming "Townie", this is all wild speculations (

Slight Town Read

)

Espeonage - Too trusting of ejjinami They aren't "5000%" Town for asking about peoples past games, yes this is town motivated but I don't like how they don't have a slight suspicoion on ejjnami just because they seem town motivated other then that they are fine, I could see them in a possible team with ejj but I'm thinking ejji is more then likely town (

Null read

)

Why do you think I'm more likely town?

While it could be used has a Mafia strategy I think you had more Town intentions I'm not 100%thats all

[schadd_]

hello

[schadd_]

ejji preferred quotes to be in different posts

@shadd that was the only thing you wrote about 2cre:

For your convenience: Abbreviations!

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this post is trying to interface with rei in a way i found super town, it's like trying to help/de-escalate

Why do you think de-escalating is townie?
and do you think this is his only post that might be AI? What did you think about the other ones?

specifically in the context of rei i thought that is unlikely to be how he would go at the argument if scum (assuming she is town i guess, which seems p likely from an assumption 2c is scum)- especially with someone that isn't as active you have a range to be manipulative and discredit their points &c

63 looked like he was trying to do something i try to do pretty much always as town which is make clear all of what i'm thinking and try to clarify what the other person is thinking and suppose you can figure it out from that

not much from his other posts has stuck out. he is analytical and has posted a lot of stuff, which is kind of hard to do as new scum

[schadd_]

ejji has a lot of small emotive things that are rather town

Why are they town in particular?

a lot of experienced players tend to think that emotional reactions and patterns are the hardest thing to effectively fake as scum

it probably seems silly but like he has a bunch of emoticons and i just think it looks super natural

and also like 47 for example, it makes sense to me that that would be a "feeling"

[schadd_]

ejji has a lot of small emotive things that are rather town

Yeah I thought he was just faking but looks like not..

I'll lock schadd town I'm probably never gonna vote for him

can you elaborate?

What he's saying are things one will only notice if they're actively scum hunting.

i somewhat buy it

[schadd_]

I have played with all three of your se slots as well and they are all capable players.

............................I took a peek at not_maf's town meta.


P.E.R.F.E.C.T.

lmfoao

[schadd_]

VOTE: not_mafia

Suspect name is suspect. You're either mafia, or you're confusing town by making an unprompted alignment claim. Neither is good.
You're going to have to explain

how you dare

to have a funny username, or land yourself a place at the top of my scumlist.

This forced post is scummy
VOTE: 2Create

This vote based on RVS voting in a newbie game from a newbie slot is scummy.

can u elaborate on "from a newbie slot"

or do you mean "rvs voting...from a newbie slot" and not "this vote...from the newbie slot"

[schadd_]

Why do I have a vote?
@Not_Mafia
I'm locktown and triggered

In what world are you locktown

why don't you look or guess? I'm locktown in my perspective at least.

Everyone is locktown from their own perspective. Saying so just makes me think you're scum being cheeky

meeehhhh

people do that all the time either align

[schadd_]

I appreciate ejj's frustration with me, I'll try be more active. FTR it's mostly a playstyle thing. I check the thread regularly and post when something pops out at me. Often I'd rather watch 2 people interact with each other than jump in and interrupt.

@Shcadd
Who do you think is town / scum at this point?

town: 2c, ejji, espeon
not as town: shattiel, notmaf
more not as town: draynth, rei, soulshade

townlist is the only one that i really put credence into

[Bins]

Rei is being replaced. If he posts before I find a replacement, he can keep his slot.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: rei

[soulshade55r]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Nope I really don't like how Not_Mafia is playing they don't have a the excuse of being "New" please talk not mafia your not coming across has town.

[soulshade55r]

I appreciate ejj's frustration with me, I'll try be more active. FTR it's mostly a playstyle thing. I check the thread regularly and post when something pops out at me. Often I'd rather watch 2 people interact with each other than jump in and interrupt.

@Shcadd
Who do you think is town / scum at this point?

town: 2c, ejji, espeon
not as town: shattiel, notmaf
more not as town: draynth, rei, soulshade

townlist is the only one that i really put credence into

Explain why I'm right at the bottom I'd understand a null read

[Rei]

@2Create
Why is the OMGUS inherently scummy vs newbish

Hmm. Maybe it is newbish. It could be, but at the same time, on top of the scumread I already have, unreliable as though it may be, this seems to fit the pattern. Maybe it's confirmation bias...
But I'll dive into it a slight bit, all right?

You said "there's a lot of words but it literally tells nothing" but what did you expect it to tell really? Also if you don't like my answer to that question so much, did you like the other answers?

Sounds to me like an attempt at defending a scummy post, as well as trying to deflect discussion from them to others. It's fine if someone doesn't want to be suspected, but that doesn't mean you should make plays like that. Scum are the ones with the secrets here. You should be grateful for the chance to answer for your mistakes, since you have nothing to hide. Hence why I find this suspicious, pushing it to scum rather than newb.

I don't get how it sounds like defending a scummy post, if you attack a specific post of mine its natural I will defend it. I'm not keeping "secrets" and I still don't get what you wanted me to say. What does being grateful even have to do with what we're discussing.

I don't really mind being sused and it's happened to me a lot, but I'd like there to at least be sensible reasoning behind it not some nitpicking.

And yes I'm not afraid of calling out people who sus me for illogical reasons

This I also find kind of jarring, since this is basically calling me out as being illogical for no other reason than having this person at the bottom of my reads list. This is based off one post. I even said my reads aren't strong. I certainly wasn't ready to either vote or FOS.
Even as newbtown, some people are bound to have you low on their reads list. That's not a reason for this disproportionate kneejerk, especially if you're only this low because of an absence of posts to analyse. Not being able to take any suspicion at all, I'd call that scummy, not newb. If I'd voted I'd have more reason to call it newb.

Still, fair point. I may be a bit aggressive. That post is uncalled for simply because of being low on my reads list, though.

I'm not calling you unreasonable for having me at the bottom of your list, it's because of the reason which feels utterly forced. Saying your reads aren't strong makes it even scummier to me because if you had at least pushed for that sus stronger it would seem to me like it was genuine, but it sorta feels like "Here are some suses, I won't push for them but you know I'm just putting them out there" which is something I've seen a lot in past games I played from scum.

For your convenience: Abbreviations!

You didn't ask me to elaborate anything really, and let's be honest there's nothing to elaborate there, you just said things I didn't say like me being "unfriendly when paranoid" which wasn't even mentioned. And the rest yes, I said I was a paranoid player and all that stuff you think is a non-answer so what else is there for me to elaborate.
You think my post in non-answer and I disagree, what elaboration did you want really?

I'll reply to that with what I said before:

I think I'm pretty contributive

Can you elaborate on this answer? It's a bit of a non-answer and does need clarification. In what ways do you contribute? Are you primarily interested in producing reads, or picking people's posts apart in detail? Do you spend a lot of effort building up a case early on, or do you prefer to wait until later on in the day or even until a later day with building a case? These are just some of the ways in which contribution might be measured.

The thing I do is the most is always trying to cross out possibilities of partners, like for example here shattiel and ejji are most likely not partners to me. I don''t think scummates would react that way to eachother. I do make reads but tbh I'm a slow started, usually I need to wait till d2 to make solid reads and suses but in general I'm not the type to build cases early on. I also like to dissect how a wolf would react in a situation and if a certain player reacted that way or not. Basically try to get into the mind set of a wolf.

Listen, this whole thing is subjective. Something that's "an obvious tell" for you may not be an obvious tell for someone else, so I really doubt anyone can say "I sus 2create cause he missed this part and he said he has an eye for detail." Now that just sounds far fetched.

Maybe so. Missing a bunch of more obvious things in that situation would be slightly stronger, but regardless, as weak a case as that example might be, it would lead to discussion. Discussion is good, so long as someone doesn't throw that at town in an attempt to deflect the topic away from them.

Alright, I can agree with this.

I didn't insult you.. I see you more saying "this shouldn't be a scumread" than saying you're scum. You're more on defending people so calling you mr.nice is just right and yeah we don't need him in this game. And no "getting to know other players" you could do that while tunneling them you don't have to stop scumreading people just to know them in fact you'll know them better with pressure. Finding scum is the objective of town focusing somewhere else will just be a waste of time.

Elaborate on the rei read quote the post you're talking about.

I find your actions scummy than the others which I already said in my previous posts what else could it be? It's not just the wording it's your actions you're being passive.
Probably gonna keep my vote on you til you do something productive.

I genuinely find it strange how out of my words you got that I was scum.
Very strange.
How is it a "non-answer"?
What makes this even stranger is that you picked the one question that to me doesn't really mean anything. Anyone can lie about how they play, especially a newbie like me whose gameplay isn't known here, and make it seem like their wolf gameplay is absolutely different from what they're doing now. To me this question doesn't really tell anything, and it could be spun into multiple different meanings. You said "there's a lot of words but it literally tells nothing" but what did you expect it to tell really? Also if you don't like my answer to that question so much, did you like the other answers? What did they tell you then? I'd like to know.

That's very strange as well considering your only answer to no.4 was that you have "an eye for detail" whatever that means.

I don't really mind being sused and it's happened to me a lot, but I'd like there to at least be sensible reasoning behind it not some nitpicking.

And yes I'm not afraid of calling out people who sus me for illogical reasons

so VOTE: 2create why aren't you voting me if I'm scum to you already?

If she honestly thought my question was bullshit, I don’t think it would be so weird to yell at 2cre as scum.

The fact scum!she didn’t make a mistake when honestly being mad, doesn’t really say anything

. That wasn’t really relevant to the game. (I still think it was a bit over the top as for scummates though.)

Can you explain what you mean by the bolded?

Okay here's my reads: (Sorry if they are bad)
Rei - I don't have a massive opinion on them, but they seem to be posting big sentences seem somewhat helpful, just they have been inactive and may get replaced out soon (

Null Read

)
ejjinami - They have been posting a lot and they seem very townie, I'm worried that they are trying to act "too" townie at this point, because it would be a really valid for them to pretend to have intentions maybe ejjinami is purposely seeming "Townie", this is all wild speculations (

Slight Town Read

)
Shattiel - They have been active, I've not noticed anything out of the ordinary from them, I honestly think they are town (

Town Read

)
2Create - Eh I'm not too sure, I do like how they wanted me to talk more that doesn't seem something scum would ask for normally (

Town Read

)
Not_Mafia - They haven't really posted anything useful other then be afk all game (

Slight Mafia Read

)
Shadd - Not enough posts to make a bases off there few posts seem more townie then Not_Mafias (

Null Read

)
Draynth - Nothing Importent to say here I can't really make a read of them as well because while they have been semi active I don't think there is enough content to go off (

Null Read

)
Espeonage - Too trusting of ejjinami They aren't "5000%" Town for asking about peoples past games, yes this is town motivated but I don't like how they don't have a slight suspicoion on ejjnami just because they seem town motivated other then that they are fine,

I could see them in a possible team with ejj

but I'm thinking ejji is more then likely town (

Null read

)


Sorry if this isn't too detailed I tried to explain my points but there aren't much posts to go off.

For the bolded part, do you think espeonage who is an IC would be so obvious in defending his partner or town reading him?

I appreciate ejj's frustration with me, I'll try be more active. FTR it's mostly a playstyle thing. I check the thread regularly and post when something pops out at me. Often I'd rather watch 2 people interact with each other than jump in and interrupt.

@Shcadd
Who do you think is town / scum at this point?

town: 2c, ejji, espeon
not as town: shattiel, notmaf
more not as town: draynth, rei, soulshade

townlist is the only one that i really put credence into

Can you tell me why you think espeon is town?

[Shattiel]

Why do I have a vote?
@Not_Mafia
I'm locktown and triggered

In what world are you locktown

why don't you look or guess? I'm locktown in my perspective at least.

Everyone is locktown from their own perspective. Saying so just makes me think you're scum being cheeky

Why the facepalm? I don’t really agree your “locktown” posts are AI, but his reaction to it isn’t that stupid. It didn't deserve a facepalm at least -_-

He's either a paranoid town who would find scum motivation in a nai post or a scum who's really bad at shading either way idk how to reply to his post so a facepalm will do

[Shattiel]

I have played with all three of your se slots as well and they are all capable players.

............................I took a peek at not_maf's town meta.


P.E.R.F.E.C.T.

share. Was just about to look for his meta

1000% shitter. You’ll have a hard time finding any kind of contributive post. Perhaps he says sth about the votes sometimes, like he wants to vote X, or won’t vote Y, but there isn’t much besides that.
And I didn’t really calculate it in according to how much time has passed, so I can possibly be wrong, but he seems to be even more inactive in here than in the games I’ve checked.
I didn’t go much further than his d1s/d2s, so theoretically he could be getting more active mid/late game, but considering his d1s, I really doubt that’s the case.

did you take a look at his mafia meta though?

[Shattiel]

I appreciate ejj's frustration with me, I'll try be more active. FTR it's mostly a playstyle thing. I check the thread regularly and post when something pops out at me. Often I'd rather watch 2 people interact with each other than jump in and interrupt.

@Shcadd
Who do you think is town / scum at this point?

town: 2c, ejji, espeon
not as town: shattiel, notmaf
more not as town: draynth, rei, soulshade

townlist is the only one that i really put credence into

can you explain the espeon read?

[ejjinami]

not much from his other posts has stuck out. he is analytical and has posted a lot of stuff, which is kind of hard to do as new scum

Ok, this does sound kinda convincing. :/ looking at his early posts, I kinda agree with you on that one.
@2cre did you have any scum games before?

[ejjinami]

town: 2c, ejji, espeon
not as town: shattiel, notmaf
more not as town: draynth, rei, soulshade

townlist is the only one that i really put credence into

can you elaborate about dra, rei and soul? What makes you susp them?

[ejjinami]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Nope I really don't like how Not_Mafia is playing they don't have a the excuse of being "New" please talk not mafia your not coming across has town.

I'm pretty sure having a scumread just for the sake of having a scumread is not what the game is about. -_-
Why do you think inactivity is AI for him?

[ejjinami]

If she honestly thought my question was bullshit, I don’t think it would be so weird to yell at 2cre as scum.

The fact scum!she didn’t make a mistake when honestly being mad, doesn’t really say anything

. That wasn’t really relevant to the game. (I still think it was a bit over the top as for scummates though.)

Can you explain what you mean by the bolded?

I think this is a pretty good explanation:

a lot of experienced players tend to think that emotional reactions and patterns are the hardest thing to effectively fake as scum

If you’re scum and don’t have a reason to fake your emotions (you're legit angry), I don't think the anger should be read.

[ejjinami]

Can you tell me why you think espeon is town?

and actually, does that mean you're scumreading esp? Do you have any opinions about the other players?

[ejjinami]

did you take a look at his mafia meta though?

nah, I didn't find one yet. Not that I was looking much, lol. -_-
But I'd be honestly surprised if it was any different from his town meta. there were many pages in his "threads menu", so he prob had enough of them to learn how to fake his town meta. I'll look for it someday, but I don't really expect to get much out of it.

[ejjinami]

Btw, I still don’t really like most of dra’s posts, but this felt slightly town to me.

VOTE: Unvote

We're moving out of RVS, and Rei feels like newbTown to me right now

is there anything in particular that you can point to for this

Gut, mostly.
Obviously that's pretty useless for all of you so I'll try to solidify my gut feeling into something tangible

If he’s scum, I’d read the last post as: “it’s gut. But you can’t townread me for that so I’ll try to fix it.”
Obviously he didn’t fix it and went back to being inactive. This kinda feels more like town laziness, than scum laziness. :/