NEWBIE 1858: MEDICAL MAFIA (fin)

[Rei]

If she honestly thought my question was bullshit, I don’t think it would be so weird to yell at 2cre as scum.

The fact scum!she didn’t make a mistake when honestly being mad, doesn’t really say anything

. That wasn’t really relevant to the game. (I still think it was a bit over the top as for scummates though.)

Can you explain what you mean by the bolded?

I think this is a pretty good explanation:

a lot of experienced players tend to think that emotional reactions and patterns are the hardest thing to effectively fake as scum

If you’re scum and don’t have a reason to fake your emotions (you're legit angry), I don't think the anger should be read.

I see.

Can you tell me why you think espeon is town?

and actually, does that mean you're scumreading esp? Do you have any opinions about the other players?

No, it doesn't mean I'm scumreading espeon. I'm still neutral about him and he hasn't really posted enough for me to form an opinion, but I still find it strange if someone town reads him especially since I don't remember schadd mentioning espeon before or why he might be town.
I don't need to question things I don't agree with, but more things that I find inconsistent or want explanations for.

So far you're pretty contributive so I like that, same for shattiel.

[ejjinami]

No, it doesn't mean I'm scumreading espeon. I'm still neutral about him and he hasn't really posted enough for me to form an opinion, but I still find it strange if someone town reads him especially since I don't remember schadd mentioning espeon before or why he might be town.
I don't need to question things I don't agree with, but more things that I find inconsistent or want explanations for.

So far you're pretty contributive so I like that, same for shattiel.

you didn't mention 2cre anywhere. Does that mean you dropped the scumread on him? If yes, can you write what made you do so?

[Rei]

No, it doesn't mean I'm scumreading espeon. I'm still neutral about him and he hasn't really posted enough for me to form an opinion, but I still find it strange if someone town reads him especially since I don't remember schadd mentioning espeon before or why he might be town.
I don't need to question things I don't agree with, but more things that I find inconsistent or want explanations for.

So far you're pretty contributive so I like that, same for shattiel.

you didn't mention 2cre anywhere. Does that mean you dropped the scumread on him? If yes, can you write what made you do so?

I haven't dropped it. I still don't like the way he forces reads and nitpicks stuff with the excuse of "having an eye for detail", hence why my lynch is still on him.

[soulshade55r]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Nope I really don't like how Not_Mafia is playing they don't have a the excuse of being "New" please talk not mafia your not coming across has town.

I'm pretty sure having a scumread just for the sake of having a scumread is not what the game is about. -_-
Why do you think inactivity is AI for him?

1. They have only posted votes, not even explaining the reasoning
2. They have been semi active enough to discuss things
3. They are a SE they are more experienced and not a newbie
4. Scum think they can hide behind being "Inactive"

[soulshade55r]

Also the content of not mafia's posts have been terrible if you honestly think they are a player worth keeping alive you are a fool, even if they are town they are the best misslynch choice, but I just think they are hiding behind being "afk"

[ejjinami]

Also the content of not mafia's posts have been terrible if you honestly think they are a player worth keeping alive you are a fool, even if they are town they are the best misslynch choice, but I just think they are hiding behind being "afk"

you've read 14F on the other site, right? Like, I can't really think of a better example, so bear with it for now. :/ how do you think notM is different from Timur?

[ejjinami]

Also the content of not mafia's posts have been terrible if you honestly think they are a player worth keeping alive you are a fool, even if they are town they are the best

misslynch choice

, but I just think they are hiding behind being "afk"

and lol, why "mislynch"? :I
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did you mean PL? can you just elaborate on that?

[ejjinami]

you didn't mention 2cre anywhere. Does that mean you dropped the scumread on him? If yes, can you write what made you do so?

I haven't dropped it. I still don't like the way he forces reads and nitpicks stuff with the excuse of "having an eye for detail", hence why my lynch is still on him.

nah, I’m pretty sure, besides the 1-st post I was the only one to mention the "eye for details". Rn you did it too, but it shouldn’t count. He never really tried to explain himself with it. :/
If you think he's scum, who should be his scummate? Do you think you could take a guess at that?

[Rei]

you didn't mention 2cre anywhere. Does that mean you dropped the scumread on him? If yes, can you write what made you do so?

I haven't dropped it. I still don't like the way he forces reads and nitpicks stuff with the excuse of "having an eye for detail", hence why my lynch is still on him.

nah, I’m pretty sure, besides the 1-st post I was the only one to mention the "eye for details". Rn you did it too, but it shouldn’t count. He never really tried to explain himself with it. :/
If you think he's scum, who should be his scummate? Do you think you could take a guess at that?

Yeah it's not about him mentioning it, he wouldn't say he did it because of that or it would be obvious.
But no, there's no way for me to know rn who could be his scummate if he's indeed scum, it can be anyone rn.

[ejjinami]

Also the content of not mafia's posts have been terrible

if you honestly think they are a player worth keeping alive you are a fool, even if they are town they are the best misslynch choice,

but I just think they are hiding behind being "afk"

I was sure I already said it, but it seems I didn't. :/ that post makes a soul&notM scumteam reeeeally unlikely. I don't believe soul would bus his scummate that hard.

[soulshade55r]

Also the content of not mafia's posts have been terrible if you honestly think they are a player worth keeping alive you are a fool, even if they are town they are the best

misslynch choice

, but I just think they are hiding behind being "afk"

and lol, why "mislynch"? :I
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did you mean PL? can you just elaborate on that?

I mean it's the best misslynch because they aren't really helping us out anyway, I know misslynches are bad but, I'm just saying it would end up being better then hanging someone more "useful" (Unless Not_Mafia is a PR) Seriously not mafia has said one thing and made 3 votes, yeah they could be town they are just not actively helping town. Or contributing anything.

I feel like I might be the Day 1 lynch :/

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: soulshade55r

[ejjinami]

I feel like I might be the Day 1 lynch :/

it's possible. :/ rn I think I'd prob prioritize you over notM.
how about you explain your view on notM first? Like, i don't really believe you didn't ever play with a 100% shitter. I'd understand you saying notM is the best policy lynch and needs to be thrown out of the game, cuz he's utterly useless, but you're saying he's maf.
Do you know what Timur was I talking about?

[ejjinami]

VOTE: soulshade55r

again

I have played with all three of your se slots as well and they are all capable players.

P.E.R.F.E.C.T.
god dammit, it just hurts

[soulshade55r]

I feel like I might be the Day 1 lynch :/

it's possible. :/ rn I think I'd prob prioritize you over notM.
how about you explain your view on notM first? Like, i don't really believe you didn't ever play with a 100% shitter. I'd understand you saying notM is the best policy lynch and needs to be thrown out of the game, cuz he's utterly useless, but you're saying he's maf.
Do you know what Timur was I talking about?

I'm not saying he's 100% mafia just highly scummy and useless, and can someone un-vote me for now? I don't really want to be in close hammer ranged right now, we should use the full 2 weeks to discuss So far we haven't done much

"Do you know what Timur was I talking about?"
Ehh no?

[ejjinami]

If nothing changes, today I’d like to lynch someone among soul/notM or eventually shad/dray if someone makes a case against them. I don’t have a read strong enough to be confident in them.
I took a peek at sha's scum iso and And holly shit he’s good. :I I gut-like him, but I most prob wouldn’t be able to catch him just by his acting.
I don’t want to lynch him though, cuz if he’s town he could be helpful… same with esp.
As I said, I’d prob want to lynch soul before notM, cuz of the latest posts, but I prob should wait for him to answer it first…

Gonna try to read them again later.

[ejjinami]

I'm not saying he's 100% mafia just highly scummy and useless, and can someone un-vote me for now? I don't really want to be in close hammer ranged right now, we should use the full 2 weeks to discuss So far we haven't done much

"Do you know what Timur was I talking about?"
Ehh no?

I don't remember anyone voting you besides notM? but ok.

:/ I hoped you'd recognize him. He's officially my nr.1 hated maf player, I'm never, ever playing with him again.
but whatever. idk how else to talk about it. Did you not play any games with serious shitters? Like, where did the idea that he's hiding behind inactivity come from? He could be doing that, but I don't think it's possible to read him based on it.

[Espeonage]

Ok I had completely forgotten about the wiki links.
Firstly my favourite town guide: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... em_Lynched
And then my favourite scum guide: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Scum_Games

These are both just one viewpoint and somewhat outdated but they provide fundamental concepts hard to grasp otherwise. Tells come and go in reliability, but general concepts will always hold weight.

Ok Imma do a spam of catchup throughout today.

[Espeonage]

ejji has a lot of small emotive things that are rather town

This is basically my feelings as well.

[Espeonage]

Caught up now..
Draynth is probably town
Rei could go either way
Not sure about soul could be faking his town meta
Not_Mafia isnt doing anything so he's probably town

Where I'm at right now. Still have to backread later. I skipped some textwalls

NM could be either actually and the incorrect reading of easy to find meta is a really terrible associative for later. It's actually about time NM hard bussed all game.

[Espeonage]

@ejjinami
I'm not trying to run away, I'm just no good with long posts, I'm either thinking you're smart scum or decent town right now not too short, but the long post about your fm history could be just a use to make yourself townie.

I'm sorry If I'm not the smartest when it comes to FM, I'll try my best to get us too win.

Well, you kinda are running away from answering my questions, aren’t you? -_- I was not asking you to write long posts, you could have answered shortly. But seriously, just answer. It’s kinda frustrating to see that after a day of waiting for you to answer some questions, you come in with a pure fluff post, ignore everything and go away. Just don’t do that, it’s rude.
The stuff I asked you about were:

can you include the other site too? Like, the meta is still the same so I don't see the point of excluding it.
...and it can't really harm you to do it? so please?
[…]

Early scum reads are trashy, but I can understand why.

What do you understand?

and please answer my previous question. I'd really appreciate some games from you.
btw, idk if you realize, but stuff like "the town cop game" doesn't really give me much info. Even if you don't wanna give links, a name of the game would be good.
[…]

Very productive day.

why are you against saying anything about your previous games?

Btw, shadd asked the “what do you understand” question in a better way, so just answer his question. It’s the same stuff anyways.

EDIT: noticed your answer to his post. :/
In the 1-st post, you said sth like: “I understand why you’re thinking I’m scummy”, so my and his questions said: “what do you think he thought was scummy about you?”
That was not a pressure question. …..well, ok, it kinda was, but still, answer please. If it was a fluff post, don’t really do that again.
And you do realize the “I know I’m bad” conviction might harm your development? :/ like, lol. trying to change it might be good, even if you don't actually get better

I'm just gonna jump in here and say, I've been skimming big posts as well. I generally hate when people wall post but it is positive so I'm doing my best to work with it. But I wouldn't scumread anyone for not reading wallposts because so many people quite literally will never read a post that has multiquotes. Especially once you get out of newbies. Consider this me defending soul. I thought the honestly seemed genuine and towny.

[Espeonage]

I really dislike this death tunnel by shat.

[Espeonage]

soul
Rei
Draynth
Not_Mafia
Espeonage

As of right now I'm pretty sure 1 scum is here and around 70% sure two scums are here. It's still pretty early but let's see.

btw these names I listed are nulls.
I just pretty much town hunted and poed to get these names because there aren't really much posts to read them

Honestly, this is very 2010 scum. Call everyone scum, back down when questioned, then bring it up when you are correct and ride to the endgame. You need to be flipped.

I'll vote here when I have read/skimmed everything methinks.

[Not_Mafia]

Soul + Shat

[Espeonage]

I have played with all three of your se slots as well and they are all capable players.

............................I took a peek at not_maf's town meta.


P.E.R.F.E.C.T.

Fun fact, it's the same as his scum meta. No free passes here.