NEWBIE 1858: MEDICAL MAFIA (fin)

[Espeonage]

VOTE: not_mafia

Suspect name is suspect. You're either mafia, or you're confusing town by making an unprompted alignment claim. Neither is good.
You're going to have to explain

how you dare

to have a funny username, or land yourself a place at the top of my scumlist.

This forced post is scummy
VOTE: 2Create

This vote based on RVS voting in a newbie game from a newbie slot is scummy.

it's not the rvs why I voted him.
It's the "You're going to have to explain

how you dare

to have a funny username" believe it or not. Scum usually say bad jokes in their first few posts on d1.

Anyway my vote on him is pretty much semi rvs

Actually the only thing scum are usually going to do is vote their partner in rvs, everything else is on a personal level so that claim is actually bullshit. And you can't go off at someone from their RVS reasoning then turn around and go it's not about how he acted in rvs, but rather how he acted in rvs.

You can eat rope.

Vote: Shattiel

[Espeonage]

Initially feeling that Rei wasn't really OMGUS. The belief that it was a bad case seems justified, especially without a vote backing the reads. And the admission that 2create was avoiding vote cognitively seems iffy.

So what do you think about their conversation? Besides the “conscious/subconcious” stuff, do you think you can read anything else in there? And you said you’ve played with each of the SEs, anything bout them?

NM is unreadable, anyone that says otherwise is lying. Dray I haven't played with in a long time and schadd I have played one game with and it was a very different style of game, but I can see them being useful already and I agree with alot that they are saying.

[Espeonage]

Oh right and to the first bit.

Not every time someone votes the person that votes them is it OMGUS. For it to be a tell they have to be lashing out, which really didn't seem to be the case. Most of my reading in games is about reading mentality.

[Espeonage]

VOTE: not_mafia

Suspect name is suspect. You're either mafia, or you're confusing town by making an unprompted alignment claim. Neither is good.
You're going to have to explain

how you dare

to have a funny username, or land yourself a place at the top of my scumlist.

This forced post is scummy
VOTE: 2Create

This vote based on RVS voting in a newbie game from a newbie slot is scummy.

can u elaborate on "from a newbie slot"

or do you mean "rvs voting...from a newbie slot" and not "this vote...from the newbie slot"

So I am saying that reading in to the mentality of a newbie in rvs on such a microscopic level of determining a town joke from a scum joke is super contrived, and effectively baseless. Like you could do an anlysis of how I vote in rvs because I have 8 years of games with RVS to go through. If I didn't know anyone in the game I'd probably vote NM too because of the name, and I bet NM can attest to being voted in rvs a lot because of the username.

[Espeonage]

VOTE: soulshade55r

again

I have played with all three of your se slots as well and they are all capable players.

P.E.R.F.E.C.T.
god dammit, it just hurts

I actually respect NMs reading capability. He never talks though which is really damn annoying. The flip flopping might actually lean town though.

[Espeonage]

Ok, up to date. NM vote Shatt, lets get this wagon going.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Shat

[soulshade55r]

Soul + Shat

Hi can you start posting more I don't know why you're being edgy and not but it's really not helping out

[Not_Mafia]

[Bins]

2Create has not picked up his prod and is being replaced. If he responds before I find a replacement, I will allow him to keep his slot.

[Shattiel]

Caught up now..
Draynth is probably town
Rei could go either way
Not sure about soul could be faking his town meta
Not_Mafia isnt doing anything so he's probably town

Where I'm at right now. Still have to backread later. I skipped some textwalls

NM could be either actually and the incorrect reading of easy to find meta is a really terrible associative for later. It's actually about time NM hard bussed all game.

that was a snap read it doesnt really mean anything for later

[Shattiel]

I really dislike this death tunnel by shat.

if anyone is actually active besides eji I'd tunneling someone in his place earlier

[Shattiel]

soul
Rei
Draynth
Not_Mafia
Espeonage

As of right now I'm pretty sure 1 scum is here and around 70% sure two scums are here. It's still pretty early but let's see.

btw these names I listed are nulls.
I just pretty much town hunted and poed to get these names because there aren't really much posts to read them

Honestly, this is very 2010 scum. Call everyone scum, back down when questioned, then bring it up when you are correct and ride to the endgame. You need to be flipped.

I'll vote here when I have read/skimmed everything methinks.

This read of yours is shit btw
And guess what it's 2018 right now not 2010

[Shattiel]

You're an IC so I assume you should know how town hunting works?
You could even iso yourself and you'll understand why you're in there.

[Espeonage]

Which is why I am townreading Rei, NM, schadd, ejj, and Dra.

[Shattiel]

VOTE: not_mafia

Suspect name is suspect. You're either mafia, or you're confusing town by making an unprompted alignment claim. Neither is good.
You're going to have to explain

how you dare

to have a funny username, or land yourself a place at the top of my scumlist.

This forced post is scummy
VOTE: 2Create

This vote based on RVS voting in a newbie game from a newbie slot is scummy.

it's not the rvs why I voted him.
It's the "You're going to have to explain

how you dare

to have a funny username" believe it or not. Scum usually say bad jokes in their first few posts on d1.

Anyway my vote on him is pretty much semi rvs

Actually the only thing scum are usually going to do is vote their partner in rvs, everything else is on a personal level so that claim is actually bullshit. And you can't go off at someone from their RVS reasoning then turn around and go it's not about how he acted in rvs, but rather how he acted in rvs.

You can eat rope.

Vote: Shattiel

another shitty vote
Anyone could vote anyone on rvs?
It's the wording I even quoted it what makes it hard to understand?

[Shattiel]

I'll just reply some stuffs right now I'll read the others later.

Espeo - is so bad I'd be fine lynching him
NM - needs to check he's just oppurtunistic voting right now.
We can't bring him in lylo so he is either checked or lynched

[Draynth]

Reading now

[Draynth]

soul
Rei
Draynth
Not_Mafia
Espeonage

As of right now I'm pretty sure 1 scum is here and around 70% sure two scums are here. It's still pretty early but let's see.

btw these names I listed are nulls.
I just pretty much town hunted and poed to get these names because there aren't really much posts to read them

Honestly, this is very 2010 scum. Call everyone scum, back down when questioned, then bring it up when you are correct and ride to the endgame. You need to be flipped.

I'll vote here when I have read/skimmed everything methinks.

This read of yours is shit btw
And guess what it's 2018 right now not 2010

Think I agree with Espeonage here
Seems super flippant, and the follow up 'Everyone here is null by the way' feels like an excuse to try and prevent and pressure being applied because of it

[ejjinami]

I'm just gonna jump in here and say, I've been skimming big posts as well. I generally hate when people wall post but it is positive so I'm doing my best to work with it. But I wouldn't scumread anyone for not reading wallposts because so many people quite literally will never read a post that has multiquotes. Especially once you get out of newbies. Consider this me defending soul. I thought the honestly seemed genuine and towny.

Well, yeah -_- I was actually gonna write sth about it, but I got uncertain when I reread my post. I don't know what do you find townie about soul's answer, but I'm not scumreading it.
and please, if you're saying stuff like: "consider this me defending soul" just because you're the IC, stop. It's unreadable anyways and I think if anyone wanted to look for a esp&soul scumteam, your affirmation wouldn't be needed. It's harder to read you because of that, so please, if that's really your motivation, stop.
I don't think anyone here actually needs that.

[ejjinami]

I really dislike this death tunnel by shat.

Why do you dislike it? I think he could pretty much do it as both alignments.

[ejjinami]

NM is unreadable, anyone that says otherwise is lying. Dray I haven't played with in a long time and schadd I have played one game with and it was a very different style of game, but I can see them being useful already and I agree with alot that they are saying.

I can see you agreeing with shadd, but what about dray? On what are you agreeing with him?
And actually, I’m not gonna quote the later post, but why are you townreading them?

[ejjinami]

So I am saying that reading in to the mentality of a newbie in rvs on such a microscopic level of determining a town joke from a scum joke is super contrived, and effectively baseless. Like you could do an anlysis of how I vote in rvs because I have 8 years of games with RVS to go through. If I didn't know anyone in the game I'd probably vote NM too because of the name, and I bet NM can attest to being voted in rvs a lot because of the username.

don't you think in case of noob scums, voting notM might be a replacement for RvS bussing? Like, I know this might be pure bullshit, but the motivation seems to be the same.
And I've been in 2 games where a noob scum was caught because of an awkward RvS vote. :/ I don’t think it’s that stupid if used on noobs only. Besides, I did almost the same thing, why didn't you scumread me for it?

[Draynth]

My reason for putting Rei in scum is posting a complete non-answer to Ejji's question 4. Seriously, it doesn't get any more non-answer than that.
Rei contributes?
Rei tries her best to be good, but might not be very good??
Rei is friendly, but can also be unfriendly if paranoid???
This is a lot of words, but it tells us literally nothing.

Again, disagree. It tells what she most remembers about the games… like, idk what to write here, cuz I really think it was good.

and @rei, when writing the answers did you mean “unfriendly when paranoid” or “sometimes paranoid, but uncorrelated with being friendly”?

oh if ejji is scum then this post right here is him buddying rei

Maybe it's just me but pre flip I rarely look for associations like this.
Could be a personal gameplay thing but it's rarely useful to do so and it's the type of thing scum like to fake to appear townie in my experience

I actually liked Shatt's initial push on ejj, but the really fast turnaround just seems weird to me
No idea what exactly it is about the flipflop that bothers me but it doesnt sit right

ok the thing is this staggering of opinion and your friendly tone is what gives me the scum vibes is the staggering of opinion and your friendly tone but looks like it's just your style seeing how it didn't change even with pressure.

Meh wild guess this post is town
UNVOTE: ejjinami

I'll try to focus somewhere else

[ejjinami]

NM is unreadable, anyone that says otherwise is lying.
[…]
The flip flopping might actually lean town though.

Irony…
(you don’t have to answer that btw. I get what you meant, it's just kinda funny.)