VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Venmar]

cafe is there an update on your read on Baku?

(and i also wanna know if you think that a50 is being genuine in being behind the hammer)

Are you reading the thread?

yeah, are you? going to do something soon?

[Venmar]

cafe is there an update on your read on Baku?

(and i also wanna know if you think that a50 is being genuine in being behind the hammer)

I stopped TRing them just based on play, it felt oddly evasive.
Then the reaction itself was kinda just odd to me?
Like it was a combination of complete faith it was coming from town all while thinking it was the worst thing they ever read, and sure people think I am a totally awful mafia player at times but like they suspect me when I decide to just openly play like trash.
If A50 is scum the motivation in claiming was obviously just the cover, otherwise I am not sure?

A50 expressed a TR on mastina.
I'd buy the town case as a quick hammer if it was an expressed scum read even as a lesser one, I really would in all honesty really take a good look at it.
It's just the real scum read of Gamma had a lot of potential, I could have swayed Alisae and Bronya to vote Gamma yesterday kinda easily.
It's just like I don't see the need to end the day like that on a town read as town :/

uhhhhh i feel like you only answered half of my question, or maybe im just dumb

[Reasonably Rational]

And...one last thing, about your assumption regarding beeboys reasoning for why a card is in a certain deck:

There are three reasons for an artifact like that one to be in a certain deck.

1) it represents the color(s) of that deck(UG)
2) it represents the point where those colors overlap in magics color wheel(W).
3) it represents a type of historical deck that varsoon is recreating in the game.(like the champion+crusade was clearly a WW(White Weenie), or GW aggro, style deck)

I don't recall what decks that sword was historically played in, I believe there are other swords that saw a lot more play, so the belief that it was UG or W is perfectly reasonable to me.

-Cerb

[Venmar]

Taly talk to Alisae, I think the plan for today is.
I RB, Cerb, Vanmar and Baku.

why are you even roleblocking me >.>

can you angle me in on your scumread on me or what?

i also want this answered

[Reasonably Rational]

Venmar, can you express your position on the B&M/A50/MC/Gamma situation?

-Cerb

[Gamma Emerald]

cafe is there an update on your read on Baku?

(and i also wanna know if you think that a50 is being genuine in being behind the hammer)

Are you reading the thread?

yeah, are you? going to do something soon?

Well you missed a very obvious answer so I thought you weren't reading. I do intend to try to catch up though as I said.

[Gamma Emerald]

Iconeum are scummy.

Skybird is Hinduragi and Iconeum is mastina. Iconeum is townreading one of the scummiest posts in the game off the belief that Skybird is town and desires to work with her but he is being naive because Skybird is actually just scum.

So this was actually in the things I read during the night but I want to ask this because while trying to get back to where I was I found this again: what post was Iconeum townreading here, if you can still check? Not sure cos it was tied to a MtG mechanic. Either Skybird or Iconeum may answer, and I'd like the other to confirm.

[Venmar]

Venmar, can you express your position on the B&M/A50/MC/Gamma situation?

-Cerb

in the words of gamma, read the thread, i have

[Reasonably Rational]

Venmar, can you express your position on the B&M/A50/MC/Gamma situation?

-Cerb

in the words of gamma, read the thread, i have

No, you haven't. You stated a position, based on the situation as previously stated, but you have not expressed whether or not your position has changed now that the fundamental reason for MC's suspicion of B&M is no longer accurate(or at least, is only possibly accurate in universes where A50 and B&M are scum together(which isn't impossible), or A50 has such an incredibly strong townread on B&M that they're willing to lie to defend them).

That's what I'm interested in.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

The important points being:

Do you still believe B&M is the best lynch for today, in light of that information?
Do you think A50 is more or less likely to be scum now?
Do you believe there's any possibility of some subset of those four slots being scum *together*, and either working to coordinate distancing, or enacting bussing plans instituted once OTM/MC were both revealed as threats to B&M?
Do you think MC's reasoning that it's more valuable to lynch someone besides the person he thinks is guilty, and RB the less probable scum target, again, based on the reasoning he used, is something that comes from town!MC?


I'm sure there are other questions, but I think you get the point.
-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Spoiler: For Varsoon(and anyone who played Bloodborne Mafia:

Run starts 18 minutes and 16 seconds in.

^^

Worth watching. Trust.

-Cerb

[Gamma Emerald]

I keep staring at this and I can’t understand it. I am trying I just don’t see your points. Things you say are obvious scum I am townreading. Instead of discussing the point when I am run down exhausted physically and emotionally I would rather make you a deal.

You can have my vote on any one player since our reads are so diverse. Up until the point the person you pick flips town.

Do you want it on Micc or Mastina? I understand none of your points and I won’t rather not just be called dumb or silly or make you feel like you’re hitting a brick wall.

I can't shake the feling this has something to do with the nk

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyway I'm signing off for the night, I just wanted to post a thought before I left so I could have a point to go back to when returning to catching up next time

[Skybird]

Iconeum are scummy.

Skybird is Hinduragi and Iconeum is mastina. Iconeum is townreading one of the scummiest posts in the game off the belief that Skybird is town and desires to work with her but he is being naive because Skybird is actually just scum.

So this was actually in the things I read during the night but I want to ask this because while trying to get back to where I was I found this again: what post was Iconeum townreading here, if you can still check? Not sure cos it was tied to a MtG mechanic. Either Skybird or Iconeum may answer, and I'd like the other to confirm.

FTR I have no idea who Hinduragi is.

I believe they were talking about post 260. The Maki head of MC called it the worst post of the game. Iconeum town-read me for it.

[baku and munna]

wow that case is bad
like holy shit bad
i sent in the action to make the hood quite a bit before the hammer but varsoon wasn't online at the time so the action got buffered
the reason i hadn't used it yet was because i was waiting for shiro to come around and discuss who to hood.

What was the point in hooding

MC

?

they were playing well day 1 and they were a solid townread.

random: where'd your enthusiasm go? (not a jab, genuine question.)
do you have a readslist?

similar way to cerb's but not to the same degree, MC continuing to push bullshit cases and getting away with it by ignoring criticisms, and fucktons of schoolwork to do before thursday.

you seem to have the one who has zero expectations for him, if you think this brilliant maneuver was his scum plan.

So Chara why did A50 claim?
Because I was pushing Baku on the notion he had the sword.

Baku who A50 by no means town reads atm.

Guess what the scum motivation in that is? Defending Baku.
OH LOOK THE SCUM MOTIVAITON.

Now please explain to me the town motivation in hammering a null read from L-3.

~B

holy shit the tunnel and confbiasing at this point is ridiculous

~rando

[baku and munna]

waaaaaait is bee whole case on us that we might have used the sword because it has blue and green on the picture ?

[baku and munna]

this is extra hilarious because I just searched the card in the real magic and it is supposed to give protection from green and blue.

[baku and munna]

limao
~rando

[Bronya Zaychik]

VOTE: A50

I find it impossible that a town motivated A50 ends the day like that. If I Space Dandy it, I am sorry. Too convienent. The Micc/Nancy slot has been too silent as well. Most likely, the move was for Micc to cast a creature for A50 to superpower making a scum lynch Day 1 all but impossible even with Parrish in play.

I think I will have more to say but I got one question before. RR did you ever color claim? I am not asking you to.

~Titus

[Venmar]

The important points being:

Do you still believe B&M is the best lynch for today, in light of that information?
Do you think A50 is more or less likely to be scum now?
Do you believe there's any possibility of some subset of those four slots being scum *together*, and either working to coordinate distancing, or enacting bussing plans instituted once OTM/MC were both revealed as threats to B&M?
Do you think MC's reasoning that it's more valuable to lynch someone besides the person he thinks is guilty, and RB the less probable scum target, again, based on the reasoning he used, is something that comes from town!MC?


I'm sure there are other questions, but I think you get the point.
-Cerb

i still think baku is scum by play and probably our lynch for today. a50 is less likely to be scum in my eyes now because i think his frustration and anger came from a town mindset, though his play still doesn't make sense even for the a50 that i know.

idk which slots you're referring to when you say "those four slots", cafe has a couple variations. i don't think any of cafe's slot combinations for the scumteam are accurate since i don't think gamma is scum and i know i'm not scum.

i think mc is basically lock town so im only trying to figure out their thought process when i talk to them. i think it's always more proficient to lynch slots we KNOW are scum rather than the less likely scum slot so we can rb the other or some other confusing shenanigans.

afaik cafe also hasn't gotten back to me why they're randomly scumreading me.

[Chara]

VOTE: A50

I find it impossible that a town motivated A50 ends the day like that. If I Space Dandy it, I am sorry. Too convienent. The Micc/Nancy slot has been too silent as well. Most likely, the move was for Micc to cast a creature for A50 to superpower making a scum lynch Day 1 all but impossible even with Parrish in play.

I think I will have more to say but I got one question before. RR did you ever color claim? I am not asking you to.

~Titus

do you have other scumreads? Almost can't act or perform the kill tonight if scum.

also, i wish you would listen to me on this, you know i can read him better than you. unless you aren't confident i'm town, which is fair.

there's also no world where Almost is scum unless baku and munna is also scum. absolutely no world. if you want to call Almost scum then you have to call baku and munna scum and flip them first. i think the why of that has already been talked about but do you need me to explain?

[Chara]

VOTE: baku and munna

[baku and munna]

sorry chara forgot the readslist will get that up in a sec
also the majority of the arguments against me are proven bullshit from maid cafe
anyone wanting to push my play feel free and i'll respond as best as i can, but i will be seriously pissed if maid cafe pushes through a ML on us based on blatantly wrong assumptions

[Chara]

no worries.
when i have time i'm going to make a vote i can put more confidence into, whether that's on your or someone else.

[baku and munna]

iconeum is probs town tbh. i don't see skybird's assertions about their alignment working in a world where ico is scum
chara is probs town despite my gut telling me otherwise. they've done enough stuff that doesn't make sense for scum to do that i have a hard time believing they are really scum
maid cafe - ugh. all i have to say about this slot.
creature - town i think? vaguely remember liking some of their posting?
bronya zaychik - scumlean. bit of poe on this slot, but they haven't really done anything particularly townie, and from what i've seen of kiana's play i tend to townread players with that style
Almost50 - i actually believe their claim about the hammer. I don't think scum a50 has any reason to out at that point (obv my perspective here is a bit different bc i know i'm town)
RR - stand by my townread on this slot.
snarky - were they replaced? need to check this slot
gamma - could be scum, kinda liked their posting today but yesterday was eh
purple heart - some dodgy pushes but think that might be confbiasing. similar to chara, gut says scum but head says town
skybird - i really don't like their play around iconeum and wasn't wowed by their posting yesterday. iconeum looking more town makes me more inclined to think this is scum
nancy drew - 0 impression still
venmar - probs disillusioned town imo. they haven't been as strong since early day 1 but i still doubt they are scum
dunnstrall - been fooled before don't really want to commit either way here.