NEWBIE 1858: MEDICAL MAFIA (fin)

[ejjinami]

I really dislike this death tunnel by shat.

if anyone is actually active besides eji I'd tunneling someone in his place earlier

That sounds weird. :/ it kinda feels like you wanted to say you didn’t have any feelings about me at all and you just chose me because “why not?”… can you elaborate on that?

[ejjinami]

Which is why I am townreading Rei, NM, schadd, ejj, and Dra.

Wait, wait, wait, weren’t you townreading soul? Where did the townread go? And I assumed the townread on notM wasn’t strong, it honestly looks like you’re placing him in here only because you want your push on sha to look stronger.
God dammit, elaborate please. And I know I said it before, but please explain your reads on shadd and dray.

[ejjinami]

I'll just reply some stuffs right now I'll read the others later.

Espeo - is so bad I'd be fine lynching him
NM - needs to check he's just oppurtunistic voting right now.
We can't bring him in lylo so he is either checked or lynched

Does that mean you’re scumreading esp? Can you explain why? I agree his arguments are bad, but how is it different from your early push on me?

[ejjinami]

Maybe it's just me but pre flip I rarely look for associations like this.
Could be a personal gameplay thing but it's rarely useful to do so and it's the type of thing scum like to fake to appear townie in my experience
I actually liked Shatt's initial push on ejj, but the really fast turnaround just seems weird to me
No idea what exactly it is about the flipflop that bothers me but it doesnt sit right

If he was just probing me, I agree looking for scummates might be weird.
But I don't really like your turnaround on him either. It feels like your main motivation for iso diving him was because esp started talking about him and you didn't want it to look like a sheep. -_- lol

[Espeonage]

I'm just gonna jump in here and say, I've been skimming big posts as well. I generally hate when people wall post but it is positive so I'm doing my best to work with it. But I wouldn't scumread anyone for not reading wallposts because so many people quite literally will never read a post that has multiquotes. Especially once you get out of newbies. Consider this me defending soul. I thought the honestly seemed genuine and towny.

Well, yeah -_- I was actually gonna write sth about it, but I got uncertain when I reread my post. I don't know what do you find townie about soul's answer, but I'm not scumreading it.
and please, if you're saying stuff like: "consider this me defending soul" just because you're the IC, stop. It's unreadable anyways and I think if anyone wanted to look for a esp&soul scumteam, your affirmation wouldn't be needed. It's harder to read you because of that, so please, if that's really your motivation, stop.
I don't think anyone here actually needs that.

This is not me as IC. This is saying you were seeing someone as scum for the wrong reasons

I'm basically saying that I think someone's attitude to posting should not be used as a reading tool.

And to the later question. I am not townreading soul, but I am also not scumreading them.

[Espeonage]

NM is unreadable, anyone that says otherwise is lying. Dray I haven't played with in a long time and schadd I have played one game with and it was a very different style of game, but I can see them being useful already and I agree with alot that they are saying.

I can see you agreeing with shadd, but what about dray? On what are you agreeing with him?
And actually, I’m not gonna quote the later post, but why are you townreading them?

Well I agree with stay on shat, and I agree with schadd on stuff I quoted.

I see town mentality of getting stuff done and sifting and I actually like drays caution approach.

[Espeonage]

Ebwop stay = dray

[Espeonage]

So I am saying that reading in to the mentality of a newbie in rvs on such a microscopic level of determining a town joke from a scum joke is super contrived, and effectively baseless. Like you could do an anlysis of how I vote in rvs because I have 8 years of games with RVS to go through. If I didn't know anyone in the game I'd probably vote NM too because of the name, and I bet NM can attest to being voted in rvs a lot because of the username.

don't you think in case of noob scums, voting notM might be a replacement for RvS bussing? Like, I know this might be pure bullshit, but the motivation seems to be the same.
And I've been in 2 games where a noob scum was caught because of an awkward RvS vote. :/ I don’t think it’s that stupid if used on noobs only. Besides, I did almost the same thing, why didn't you scumread me for it?

I guess, but I wouldn't base a serious vote on it.

[Espeonage]

NM is unreadable, anyone that says otherwise is lying.
[…]
The flip flopping might actually lean town though.

Irony…
(you don’t have to answer that btw. I get what you meant, it's just kinda funny.)

Like I have to TRY to sort him.

[ejjinami]

And to the later question. I am not townreading soul, but I am also not scumreading them.

Then do you think he did nothing this game that might be AI?
I mean, I might switch my opinion on him cuz I'm reading his posts again and there are stuff that actually look good as for him... but anyways, I don't think he's unreadable.

[Shattiel]

soul
Rei
Draynth
Not_Mafia
Espeonage

As of right now I'm pretty sure 1 scum is here and around 70% sure two scums are here. It's still pretty early but let's see.

btw these names I listed are nulls.
I just pretty much town hunted and poed to get these names because there aren't really much posts to read them

Honestly, this is very 2010 scum. Call everyone scum, back down when questioned, then bring it up when you are correct and ride to the endgame. You need to be flipped.

I'll vote here when I have read/skimmed everything methinks.

This read of yours is shit btw
And guess what it's 2018 right now not 2010

Think I agree with Espeonage here
Seems super flippant, and the follow up 'Everyone here is null by the way' feels like an excuse to try and prevent and pressure being applied because of it

ejji said something about "if you're not townreading rei" so it may be taken as I scumread him so I had to clear it up.
And lol if I don't want pressure I wouldnt have called out more than half of the players on that list.

[Shattiel]

My reason for putting Rei in scum is posting a complete non-answer to Ejji's question 4. Seriously, it doesn't get any more non-answer than that.
Rei contributes?
Rei tries her best to be good, but might not be very good??
Rei is friendly, but can also be unfriendly if paranoid???
This is a lot of words, but it tells us literally nothing.

Again, disagree. It tells what she most remembers about the games… like, idk what to write here, cuz I really think it was good.

and @rei, when writing the answers did you mean “unfriendly when paranoid” or “sometimes paranoid, but uncorrelated with being friendly”?

oh if ejji is scum then this post right here is him buddying rei

Maybe it's just me but pre flip I rarely look for associations like this.
Could be a personal gameplay thing but it's rarely useful to do so and it's the type of thing scum like to fake to appear townie in my experience

I actually liked Shatt's initial push on ejj, but the really fast turnaround just seems weird to me
No idea what exactly it is about the flipflop that bothers me but it doesnt sit right

ok the thing is this staggering of opinion and your friendly tone is what gives me the scum vibes is the staggering of opinion and your friendly tone but looks like it's just your style seeing how it didn't change even with pressure.

Meh wild guess this post is town
UNVOTE: ejjinami

I'll try to focus somewhere else

I actually agree with you I thought of that when I posted it but I had to say it otherwise cause it looked like that to me.
Anyway this doesn't really mean anything unless ejji flip scum otherwise.

Ejji's response was just really towny like that small emotive things schadd talk about earlier I got some townvibes from it. Enough for me to go from 0 to 100 real quick. Not really interested lynching him today

[Shattiel]

I really dislike this death tunnel by shat.

if anyone is actually active besides eji I'd tunneling someone in his place earlier

That sounds weird. :/ it kinda feels like you wanted to say you didn’t have any feelings about me at all and you just chose me because “why not?”… can you elaborate on that?

I don't have any feeling for you sorry ;p
lol what I meant by that is that I'll probably find someone more scummy than you because my read on you isn't really that strong tbh.

[Shattiel]

I'll just reply some stuffs right now I'll read the others later.

Espeo - is so bad I'd be fine lynching him
NM - needs to check he's just oppurtunistic voting right now.
We can't bring him in lylo so he is either checked or lynched

Does that mean you’re scumreading esp? Can you explain why? I agree his arguments are bad, but how is it different from your early push on me?

my points wasn't bad though? You even agreed to it.

Espeo on other hand is kinda looking for a reason to vote.
Like he didn't even left some questions for me to answer it's different from my arguments on you that ended up in a tunnel to sort you out.

[Shattiel]

Like you could at the points he made at me.
He's just throwing some shade

[ejjinami]

……..lol, I’m getting weird vibes from people using the same exact words to townread me.

[ejjinami]

if anyone is actually active besides eji I'd tunneling someone in his place earlier

That sounds weird. :/ it kinda feels like you wanted to say you didn’t have any feelings about me at all and you just chose me because “why not?”… can you elaborate on that?

I don't have any feeling for you sorry ;p
lol what I meant by that is that I'll probably find someone more scummy than you because my read on you isn't really that strong tbh.

It's a shame, but nah, I wasn't really asking about your read on me rn, I was talking about SoD. I understood you wanted to probe me cuz you got scumvibes from my “overly-nice tone”.
but from the latest post (the:"if anyone is actually active besides eji I'd tunneling someone in his place earlier") I kinda got the feeling you were saying you had no “feeling” on me since the beginning. That’s what I’d like you to elaborate about.

[ejjinami]

Does that mean you’re scumreading esp? Can you explain why? I agree his arguments are bad, but how is it different from your early push on me?

my points wasn't bad though? You even agreed to it.

Espeo on other hand is kinda looking for a reason to vote.
Like he didn't even left some questions for me to answer it's different from my arguments on you that ended up in a tunnel to sort you out.

I don’t believe esp is seriously scumreading you for those posts -_- there was no questioning, no deeper reasoning, only attack, so I think it’s pretty obvious.
And honestly, I don’t really think it’s that much different than your tunnel on me.
Like, for example this post:

Spoiler:

ejji's been ticking my scum radar.
"overreaction" "kinda defensive" "I don't really think this should be scumread... " - how is these words you describe his posts shouldn't be a scumread?
And you said "your opinion is stupid" - isn't this considered a deflection?

The way I see it you just threw some shade at rei while you townread him.

VOTE: ejjinami

It was less obvious, but the motivation seems to be pretty much the same.
(P.edit. :/ ok, looking through esp's iso, the amount of arguments really is kinda pitful… lol)
@esp, can you say sth about that first? :/ Like, are you seriously scumreading sha? If so, why are you confident he’s scum?

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[ejjinami]

hi there :)
1-st btw.

[WhemeStar]

UNVOTE:

Ill “read” soonish busy rn

[WhemeStar]

hi there
1-st btw.

Oh I remember this game I read like the first page and then I saw your wall post and was like fuck this game

Also VOTE: Espe

[ejjinami]

Oh I remember this game I read like the first page and then I saw your wall post and was like fuck this game

Also VOTE: Espe

I don't remember writing many wall posts :/ but yeah, the early ones can be a pain to read. Bear with it, there are less of them later on