Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[Oxy]

ayyyy! That's L-1.

@Drixx Please post something pro-town.

[Oxy]

I'll be here another 15 minutes, but then I'm off to bed. I don't expect to hear from Drixx tonight. Good job, team town!

[skitter30]

Why do you think scioness/ruru is unlikely?


Idk. I played with him the once ~a year ago, and it seemed like he wasn't able to and/or couldn't post super frequently then either; I waited for like a day phase for him to pose anything useful cuz iirc he was on medical sem-v/la for like the whole phase. That game he was super obviously scummy and then disappeared and was doing the active-lurking thing a bit; I think he was kinda waiting/hoping for town to get distracted by some other shiny object. (also I think he wanted to use a meta defense and was waiting for another game to end to do so).

I don't think he's been super obviously scummy here and I don't want him to be lynched before he has a chance to talk. If someone put him at L-1 and someone gave intent to hammer before he said anything I'd unvote cuz I'm not really convinced he's scum atm and I definitely want to hear from him before he gets lynched.

p-edit:

Yeah I'm going to unvote if someone posts intent. I don't want him to be lynched before he can talk.

Also I'm kinda suspicous of how fast this wagon formed with like no resistance.

I also kinda feel like oxy almost wants this hammer to happen?

Actually UNVOTE:

[skitter30]

I need to think about oxy's approach to this wagon some more; it's making me a little bit nervous actually.

[Oxy]

don't unvote - no one in this game is stupid enough to lol hammer as town before hearing from drixx.

If someone were to lol hammer, you lynch them D2 with 100% chance they are scum

[Oxy]

skitter I love the paranoia, you're playing super town, but why in the world would scum!Drixx give us anything substantial if he knows this wagon is just going to go away.

[Oxy]

a lol hammer on town!drixx is a trade of Random town (read 2/7 chance of pr) for a scum.

[ruru]

don't unvote - no one in this game is stupid enough to lol hammer as town before hearing from drixx.

If someone were to lol hammer, you lynch them D2 with 100% chance they are scum

I think so too. It's also clear that it's L-1 so nobody can pretend it was a mistake.

[ofrhz]

I knew I should have taken a logic course in college. I had to use google to figure out why this is true.

Good thing there's like three math majors here

Plan? I think we should put them at L-1, give them 24 hours to post something that isn't garbage, and then hammer them if they don't. End of day is not really all that far away, and right now I'm worried that we're going to disperse to our own corners and sit on our thumbs.

We need to give NSG and eth0s/his replacement a chance to chime in before ending the day. I can't stress this enough.

Happy cakeday skitter!

[ruru]

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10052685]We need to give NSG and eth0s/his replacement a chance to chime in before ending the day. I can't stress this enough.[/quote]

How will this play out if Drixx + NSG/eth0s are scum?

[Oxy]

well, I think one of a few things will happen

1) Drixx shows us why experience matters, convincing us that he is town and breaking this beautiful town circle to shreds
2) Drixx starts flailing/stays inactive, and his partner does their best to break this beautiful town circle apart (chainsaw argument)
3) Drixx starts flailing/stays inactive and his partner makes a case on someone outside the town circle but in our null/scum reads, again trying to break up this town circle
4) Drixx starts flailing/stays inactive and his partner stays inactive and we lynch scum

there are probably some other possibilities. It's a dynamic game. Trust your instincts. If one of those scum teams exist, this is where they will start to make mistakes.

[ofrhz]

Sorry I'm in a rush, so I haven't thought this through very well. My reluctance stems from the fact that we literally have nothing on NSG and next to nothing on eth0s. If pinturrichio lays down the hammer in the 24 hours, we'll be going into D2 with no information about those two. Regardless of how Drixx flips, I think we need more from them. Feel free to correct me, because this wagon happened quickly - I really haven't thought it through.

[Oxy]

they could also lol hammer him for town cred, but you lynch the lol hammer-er regardless of drixx's flipp just on policy.

[Oxy]

Sorry I'm in a rush, so I haven't thought this through very well. My reluctance stems from the fact that we literally have nothing on NSG and next to nothing on eth0s. If pinturrichio lays down the hammer in the 24 hours, we'll be going into D2 with no information about those two. Regardless of how Drixx flips, I think we need more from them. Feel free to correct me, because this wagon happened quickly - I really haven't thought it through.

If you told me that I could trade not having reads on two people for a confirmed scum at D2 start, I would take that trade 100% of the time.

[Oxy]

It's not like you would lynch the confirmed town at dawn on D2, either. That gives you two whole days to get reads on them before walking into Lylo.

[Oxy]

ebwop: confirmed

scum

*****

[skitter30]

P.S. @Pinturicchio I'm not giving you a team jersey yet, but you can drop the hammer if/when it becomes appropriate.

This feels like you're setting up Pin to want to hammer. And if you're scum it's kinda pocket-y, trying to get him to want to join the CoolKidsTownBloc (TM). And it worked too:

and obviously, I want my jersey please...

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And at some point we may have to lynch someone for lack of activity. Otherwise we're going to sit here for another week waiting for posts that won't come.

I don't get why you're pushing for a lurker lynch instead of a lynch on your scumread - like you dropped the scioness thing to support the drixx thing.

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I don't like ruru's empty vote given that she hasn't indicated a scumread of him anywhere; she indicates that she doesn't understand his post but that doesn't appear to have developed into an actual scumread from her ISO.

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Alternatively, anyone in my town circle could just lead this game to victory and I'll play good soldier. Just don't try to lynch inside the town circle til tomorrow. The time for us to work together is now.

This feels pocket-y and kinda like you're trying to insinuate yourself into a townbloc.

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I feel like if I were scum this game, and neither my partner nor I were in {Oxy, Ofhrz, Ruru, Skitter30} my game plan would be to stall this day out as long as possible and make town scramble for a good lynch at the deadline. I think the counter play for this is to be just crazy enough to hammer 7 days before the deadline. I think if we're pressuring town!drixx he is experienced enough to find a way to show us town rather than get mislynched for inactivity in his IC game.

And what if scum is in this group?

I don't get why you think rushing a wagon on a lurker will remedy this problem.

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skitter I love the paranoia, you're playing super town, but why in the world would scum!Drixx give us anything substantial if he knows this wagon is just going to go away.

The wagon didn't exactly go away, and it's not like I said I wouldn't vote him - I'm not comfortable keeping my vote on him now when I kinda feel like you're pressuring people to vote him before he has a chance to talk, when you seem to be wagoning him for lurker-ness, and not necessarily scumminess.

[skitter30]

Like I don't get why you've imposed a 24-hour deadline in which drixx has to speak or else he gets lynched when that cuts the day off short, before eth0s (and/or his replacement) and nsg do anything.

[skitter30]

well, I think one of a few things will happen

1) Drixx shows us why experience matters, convincing us that he is town and breaking this beautiful town circle to shreds
2) Drixx starts flailing/stays inactive, and his partner does their best to break this beautiful town circle apart (chainsaw argument)
3) Drixx starts flailing/stays inactive and his partner makes a case on someone outside the town circle but in our null/scum reads, again trying to break up this town circle
4) Drixx starts flailing/stays inactive and his partner stays inactive and we lynch scum

there are probably some other possibilities. It's a dynamic game. Trust your instincts. If one of those scum teams exist, this is where they will start to make mistakes.

Also like this post seems to be emphasizing a town-bloc and how a drixx wagon might cause it to fall apart -> like the emphasis is on a townbloc and not drixx almost. Like even the town!drixx case has this negative outcome of the town bloc breaking apart; the implication seems to be we don't want that to happen. I kinda almost feel like you've been pushing this wagon in an attempt to forge together a townbloc, with yourself in it. I don't really feel like it formed naturally.

My instincts are telling me that something is wrong here.

[Oxy]

things

--Why would scum!oxy need to pocket someone who has a hard town read on him?
--I'm not pushing any lynch. I'm saying that L-1 is not something to be scared of, and the possibility of a lol hammer is not something to be scared of either because it gets us a scum lynched either way. If you want to lynch scioness sajj I am 100% for that. 100%. I'm not pushing that because you all know where I stand on her, and NONE of my THREE town reads seem to have any interest in that lynch.
--ruru is being a team player and it is absolutely pro town vote. Also, I like to think that my asking her helped.
--I felt like maybe ya'll had ideas and just didn't feel comfortable expressing them because i'm kind of assertive.
--What if scum is in this group? Will that change town!drixx's ability to express town?
--It doesn't have to be 24 hours. Pick an amount of time, but it can't be until the lynch deadline because then why bother??
--yeah I'm proud of the town bloc. My entire game plan from the start has been to find town, and then lynch scum with my town breathren.

[skitter30]

they could also lol hammer him for town cred, but you lynch the lol hammer-er regardless of drixx's flipp just on policy.

And like if you're scum this is setting up tomorrow's lynch irregardless of what drixx flips.

I don't like the drixx wagon anymore.

[Oxy]

no it isn't skitter, it only sets up the lynch if someone lol-hammers! That's just standard play?????

[ofrhz]

Basically what skitter said.

I also have another reason to not rush to lynch right away, but I don’t want to share it right now. I think L-2 is good for this wagon

Pedit: I’m on a tablet and can’t really follow or type fast enough. But Plz don’t lynch

[Oxy]

anyone who is reading this and thinks that I am pushing for a fast lynch needs their damn eyes checked. I'm going to bed.

[ruru]

I kinda almost feel like you've been pushing this wagon in an attempt to forge together a townbloc, with yourself in it. I don't really feel like it formed naturally.

Do you agree that we need more posts from eth0s/Drixx/NSG? Is there a better way of doing it?