VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Venmar]

kind of catching up

[Venmar]

i should just lurk like dunn or snowman in my future games to just coast to victory

vote: gamma

going to sheep, also any player that taunts to be lynched deserves to be lynched

The only town flip that I think clears one of my reads is Gamma flipping town ruins half the reasons I think Venmar is scum.

~B

only post i could find where you're hinting at a reason for scumreading me. still waiting

[Venmar]

there's also no world where scum shoot bronya or rr night one lol

otm was a very townie player whose death has already slowed down the game quite a bit, making his death a viable kill and cafe convincing themselves otherwise is self confirmation-bias.

kiana is sketch for that comment about lynching mastina btw.

[Venmar]

Just dropping in to say I'm unlynchable now - keep up the good work guys

also what?

this is bullshit, like, there is no way

[Kiana Kaslana]

there's also no world where scum shoot bronya or rr night one lol

otm was a very townie player whose death has already slowed down the game quite a bit, making his death a viable kill and cafe convincing themselves otherwise is self confirmation-bias.

kiana is sketch for that comment about lynching mastina btw.

Hey wisecrack, are you in any PTs at the moment?

[Venmar]

no

[Kiana Kaslana]

no

Perfect! After I confirm with Titus of our decision we will proceed to verify with Varsoon.

[Bronya Zaychik]

no

Perfect! After I confirm with Titus of our decision we will proceed to verify with Varsoon.

Let's do it. I'll contact Varsoon.

~Titus

[Bronya Zaychik]

Ok Venmar, Ill ask you again. Do you have a PT?

~Titus

[Bronya Zaychik]

VOTE: venmar

I'm content with doing this now before sleep. If my better half feels more comfortable moving it, whatever. I just think this is scum. The only person who directly states they are eligible and our ability fails. Suspect.

~Titus

[Bronya Zaychik]

Kiana approves of the above vote.


We have an ability that is to be used in the Day that checks if our target is in any Private Topics. We used it on Venmar and it failed.

Do the math.

~Kiana

[Skybird]

Yeah, I don't see any reason to lie about not having a PT.

VOTE: Venmar

Taly, reads list coming up

[Skybird]

This is where I am at the moment.

Town

Skybird
Iconeum - above IC
RR - There's no way scum RR is this upset about the planes changing flavor
Bronya Zaychik - working to solve the game

Null

Maid Cafe - Didn't like them stating they have 2 guilties and then backing down, other questionable things D1
Chara - pulling way too many questionable plays, the latest switching the path from Genocide to Pacifist
SnarkySnowman - haven't seen enough from him to know
Creature - ditto Snarky reason
Baku and Munna - I just flat out don't have a read on them, something I will be looking in to

Leaning Scum

Purple Heart - didn't like the Alisae head's AtE to lynch SD
Gamma - Knowing the Pacifist path favors scum, his claim seems like a dream come true for a scum, then I think why would he claim it. I think since he wouldn't actually die, his alignment would not be revealed and by claiming he looks more town.

Likely Scum

Nancy Drew - slot has done nothing, Micc's play was questionable
Dunnstral - don't see much if any game solving
Almost50 - didn't like the hammer on SD
Venmar - based on Bronya's PT thing

[Purple Heart]

Consider my vote retroactively on Venmar, don't really want to put the vote there because we're Bee's triple voter.

This is where I am at the moment.

Town

Skybird
Iconeum - above IC
RR - There's no way scum RR is this upset about the planes changing flavor
Bronya Zaychik - working to solve the game

Null

Maid Cafe - Didn't like them stating they have 2 guilties and then backing down, other questionable things D1
Chara - pulling way too many questionable plays, the latest switching the path from Genocide to Pacifist
SnarkySnowman - haven't seen enough from him to know
Creature - ditto Snarky reason
Baku and Munna - I just flat out don't have a read on them, something I will be looking in to

Leaning Scum

Purple Heart - didn't like the Alisae head's AtE to lynch SD
Gamma - Knowing the Pacifist path favors scum, his claim seems like a dream come true for a scum, then I think why would he claim it. I think since he wouldn't actually die, his alignment would not be revealed and by claiming he looks more town.

Likely Scum

Nancy Drew - slot has done nothing, Micc's play was questionable
Dunnstral - don't see much if any game solving
Almost50 - didn't like the hammer on SD
Venmar - based on Bronya's PT thing

Your TRs are fine.
Chara is kinda just town. Like when they were talking to bee over my slot, they seemed really hard to try to not tunnel but they were in fact tunneling but either way they are trying to solve the game and were trying to evaluate my slot, so they are just obvious town.

Same thing with Beeboy. Not to mention this is coming from someone who can confidently read both heads. Like bee is busy, and he would use "playing Xenoblade Chronicles 2" or "Studying" to avoid the game for massive amounts the time.
Maki, their approach to how their operating their hydra with Bee is exactly identical to here. Claire let me basicly do whatever I wanted and she would pop in whenever I needed her to cover for me.
Like, there is no doubt in my mind this slot is town.

Now, let's take a lesson from this.
I can read both Beeboy and Claire.
My read is relatively naunced, strong, and has good reasons to back it up.
You are struggling to read that slot.

So you should trust my strengths, because I am either
A. Scum with Maid Cafe
B. A wolf who knows Maid Cafe is town.
C. Town who is likely right on Maid Cafe.

So ask if your TRs if you can rule both of us out.
If you think we're not the scumteam, then you should atleast trust my read on Maid Cafe.

Snarky is just PoE town to me?

Creature on the otherhand, the thing about Creature is he has a very defining meta.
I could link you multiple scumgames of Creature's, but I don't think I need to.
Scum!Creature would have an insanely lower amount of posts during the day.
Its LIKELY that Creature is just town based on D1.
In fact, I am going to give you the Creature reading Checklist
(I need to save this somewhere)

Is Creature Active?
Is Creature doing his usual stream of consciousness posting?
Is Creature confident in his towniness?
Is Creature taking the easy outs on his reads (IE Obvtown town, lynchbaits consensus scum)?

If the answer to the first 3 is yes and the last 1 is no, then he is town.

D2 the sudden drop in activity kinda urks me, so if it was like F5 with 1 wolf left or F7 with two wolfs left
(basicly day before LyLo with a low amount of wolfs remaining)
then go ahead and lynch it.
Otherwise it'll make your life easier if you just mark it as town.

Taly might interact with your readlist some more, but this is all I have to say for now. Again here are my own reads.

The townies that are going to win the game, AKA the perfect townbloc you could ever ask for in a game.

Me
Bee/Claire
Titus/Kiana
Chara

People that need to be in the above category because they're town they just need to be in sync

Skyburd
RR

Town but I have 0 idea what his stances are so it's kinda just doing it's own thing

Icon

The leftovers townies

(IE, they aren't scum because people are way more scummier then them, and scum are pushing them)
Snarky
Dunn

Town but lynch before LyLo with a low remaining amount of wolves alive (1-2) if inactivity continues

Creature

And the rest of the game aka wolves

Gamma (Obvious)
Baku (Trust in Bee, don't think its scum with Gamma that doesn't make any sense with pre-flip associations)
Venmar (I was townreading this, but I could completely buy Venmar being the powerwolf/deepwolf of the team)
Nancy (Obvious)
A50 (The last wolf if Creature isn't)

tbh in my mind I either like the appeal of {Creature, Venmar, Gamma, nancy} I think that's the team that works with the gamestate the most(I can link multiple points where Gamma was fos'ing nancy but there was no real "push" there its what you call a bus.
Venmar has been defending both hard defending Gamma and nancy.
Creature TR'd nancy
Micc's ISO looked like he was buddies with Gamma off the top of my head?)

If Creature isn't the wolf feel free to splash A50 in. If Gamma isn't the wolf feel free to splash Baku in.

But yeah, game solved ez.

~Ali

[Purple Heart]

I'm checking for cross votes right now btw.

Venmar voted Gamma once extremely early in the game (d1) then dropped it then again now with a "I'm just going to sheep vote." (d2)
He also votes Baku once.

Creature voted none of the scumreads I have and are presented.

Gamma slot voted A50 727
Unvotes in 926
and thats it

Micc slot voted none of the scumreads I have presented

A50 voted Gamma in 2530
And thats it.

Baku has voted none of the scumreads I have presented.

I might have fucked up here when it comes to counting, but I am pretty sure I didn't.
~Ali

[Purple Heart]

If anyone really needs an indepth description on why Venmar is a wolf, well, there really isn't a indepth description.
The reason why I am scumreading him is if you were to take his play from the PoV of a powerwolf that is aligned with Gamma and Miccslot, you kinda just see it.
A lot of the ways he's saying things sounds towny, but he is presenting the wolf possible outcome for the town.
(For example, around where I replaced in, he and Titus were getting into a fight, and he looked really good in that fight until you realize he's talking to town!Titus, then he just looks like a wolf)

The difference between his Baku vote today is that has a heart.
But his gamma vote more recently just feels empty, faked, and bussy for no real reason.
If you need the post, its 3335

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727 the push here on A50 looks like in town. There are other reads here so we can go over those too on their buddies.
Micc - faked townlean on a buddy phrased to make it sound genuine. (Thats how that reads to me)
Venmar - This reads definitely as a read on a buddy
oh yeah, bonus ducks, their Bee and Chara reads are terrible.



The other wolfreads don't have their read explained in the post they vote in. I could find it with context but I think I presented everything for the most part to establish why I see the game as {(Creature/A50}, Gamma, nancy, Venmar} and I would like my beauty sleep.

~Ali

[Purple Heart]

UNVOTE:
Taly may or may not bestow a present upon the thread, depending on if he is willing to do the work for it or not.
If he is I don't want the day to end until he stops giving.

~Ali

[Gamma Emerald]

1) Okay you link in 3561 was broken, sorry. Will look over the post
2) I would get lynched, yes, but I wouldn't be dead. Basically I'm a one shot lynchproof with some frills. And I don't support the plan anymore.
3) I know scum won't be able to NK because it says so in my role description. It's basically a soft reset plus info.

The plan was based on people not liking theme shifts, but since it's the particular theme it's not a good plan anymore.
PEdit: Cerb nails it

Why didn't you claim this at the start of the dayphase?

Furthermore, just to clarify, this one-shot lynchproof does not carry on to the next dayphase if the theme and roles change, correct?

And what's odd about

Bronya+Mark

interaction?

It's only in my Pacifist role, so I didn't claim until I thought "hey I can possibly use this now". Yes, it doesn't carry on if the theme and roles change. And the Bronya + Mark interaction feels like Bronya trying to strongarm Mark into doing what they want, which doesn't feel very pure

[Venmar]

so, after confirming with varsoon, i will admit that i actually do have a pt. i took the AT THE MOMENT very literally in kiana's question, and i was under the impression that i didn't have access to it anymore since i didnt check it since day start, but it turns out i do.

i have a solo pt with baku, who neighbored me around the time the lynch occured.

[Venmar]

i was under the impression that i didn't have access to it anymore

and to clarify this was because i thought all mtg related stuff got locked or deleted.

[Gamma Emerald]

Mhm, feels convenient

[Venmar]

people that are scumreading me for townreading their scumreads are hella dumb. get over the fact that YOUR reads might be wrong lol. i haven't played as scum since like 2015 and if anything i tend to bus teammates into the ground

pedit: mhmm fuck you

[Venmar]

yeah, cool, so i had a misunderstanding with my access to a pt i briefly had and purple heart decides to run away with it and materialize a case on me out of thin air, filling in holes that never existed otherwise.

i sure hate mafia sometimes

i'll also have people know that me getting neighbored to baku was what got me onto cafe's side in the first place since i can extra confirm their story about baku neighboring people prior to deadline.

[baku and munna]

Baku has voted none of the scumreads I have presented.

Hey I voted Gamma D:

Also Venmar about our other seems like αν excuse. Our other clarifies that it cannot be affected by changes in the planescapes.

Why exactly did you think it closed. Heck why did you answer the question without first checking?

[baku and munna]

~Shiro