In post 428, Oxy wrote:I answered you on this one too quickly (im too riled to sleep right now)
This was in response to a question by Ruru. She asked what would happen if the scum team was Drixx +eth0s/NSG. That's why, by definition, this assumes all 4 of us are town.
Right, but the implication of your post is that town!drixx is a bad thing:
In post 410, Oxy wrote:1) Drixx shows us why experience matters, convincing us that he is town and
breaking this beautiful town circle to shreds
(Um, sorry for riling you up so much that you couldn't sleep. And sorry for not responding last night; I feel asleep.)
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In post 429, Oxy wrote:The counter-play I suggested was to be WILLING to lynch early, not to lynch early. Big difference.
You said this:
In post 379, Oxy wrote:Plan? I think we should put them at L-1, give them 24 hours to post something that isn't garbage, and then hammer them if they don't. End of day is not really all that far away, and right now I'm worried that we're going to disperse to our own corners and sit on our thumbs
Which to me reads like you want to hammer someone if they don't post content in a 24 hour deadline. I don't really think that prioritizng lurkers over scummy players is a good idea.
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@Eth0s, if you don't think you can participate I do think that replacing out might be a good idea at this time.
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In post 445, Oxy wrote:I was somewhat surprised, though. I laid out exactly what I wanted to do, and then the moment I did it she was like, "woah! Where did this come from?" and I'm like
Cuz I thought we were still talking about it and I don't really think that threatening to hammer someone if they don't post in a 24 hour window is a good idea. I was not expecting the wagon to go to L-1 that fast, and I don't' really want to be on this wagon right now.
In post 449, Oxy wrote:The most frustrating part of this game for me is reading the stream of bullshit coming from Sajj, and having none of my town reads see it.
That's not meant to be an insult, by the way. It's excellent bullshit, and I'm impressed. It's still bullshit, though.
OK I read the posts and I don't get why you're characterizing them as bs? I don't necessarily agree with her pov but they don't particularly seem fabricated to me.
In post 449, Oxy wrote:The most frustrating part of this game for me is reading the stream of bullshit coming from Sajj, and having none of my town reads see it.
That's not meant to be an insult, by the way. It's excellent bullshit, and I'm impressed. It's still bullshit, though.
If you are actually town don't ever /in in any games I'm in, thanks.
In post 450, skitter30 wrote:In post 428, Oxy wrote:
I answered you on this one too quickly (im too riled to sleep right now)
This was in response to a question by Ruru. She asked what would happen if the scum team was Drixx +eth0s/NSG. That's why, by definition, this assumes all 4 of us are town.
Right, but the implication of your post is that town!drixx is a bad thing:
I've never had the thought that town!drixx is a "bad thing." Bad for whom/what? There must be a miscommunication somewhere.
In post 450, skitter30 wrote:Which to me reads like you want to hammer someone if they don't post content in a 24 hour deadline. I don't really think that prioritizng lurkers over scummy players is a good idea.
I read my post as saying that 24 hours is a reasonable amount of time to give someone to make a post that expresses their inner town. Pressuring someone who isn't posting content into helping to sort their role seems super pro-town to me. Taking Drixx as an example. Town!Drixx sees he is at L-1 and will likely be lynched if he doesn't show town colors. He thinks to himself, "If I don't do what they ask, I'll be playing against my win con and hurting town. I don't want to do that, so I better do some scum hunting."
Scum!Drixx sees it and thinks, "If I don't do what they ask, I'll be playing against my win con and hurting scum. I don't want to do that, so I better do something to make myself seem town."
Each of them produces content, from which we can evaluate their slot.
If they think there is a zero chance of them getting lynched, town!Drixx might still scumhunt because he realizes town is off base and helping them would be playing towards his win con. (Another, less principled town might say, "the hell with them" and that would be something we would need to evaluate)
Scum!Drixx might think "I can just out wait them. I should post only as a delaying tactic." We have 3 lurkers. As a town circle we can only use our votes to pressure each of them for an average of 2 days, 6.4 hours. And that's assuming we could instantaneously pick a lynch at the end of that. These slots have been lurking for 8 days now. Is it really so unreasonable to be worried that they might be stalling and able to continue stalling without counter play?
In post 450, skitter30 wrote:Cuz I thought we were still talking about it and I don't really think that threatening to hammer someone if they don't post in a 24 hour window is a good idea. I was not expecting the wagon to go to L-1 that fast, and I don't' really want to be on this wagon right now.
Fair. In my excitement I may have assumed you were more on board than I now realize you were. This isn't super important, but I'm less threatening a lynch, and more saying that "In the absence of quality town content and in the face of someone else's stated intent to hammer, I won't unvote." It's a mouthful, and by all means shorten it to "threaten a lynch" in our conversations for convenience sake. I just want to make sure we're using the same definitions, though. It makes conversation easier =)
skitter30 wrote:
In post 449, Oxy wrote:The most frustrating part of this game for me is reading the stream of bullshit coming from Sajj, and having none of my town reads see it.
That's not meant to be an insult, by the way. It's excellent bullshit, and I'm impressed. It's still bullshit, though.
OK I read the posts and I don't get why you're characterizing them as bs? I don't necessarily agree with her pov but they don't particularly seem fabricated to me.
I get that, and that's why it's frustrating. I've been pointing out when I see scum in Sajj rather than writing walls like this one detailing my analysis because a) if it isn't going to be effective, then all it will do is clutter up the thread and make the game more difficult for my town reads, and b) people have said it's "unenjoyable" to slog through. I'll pull out quotes I find scummy if you want me to.
The basic gist is this: At her most townie, Sajj is doing superficial scumhunting. At her most scummy, Sajj is throwing vague shade around the room with little to no analysis of how she reached her conclusions. In the middle of those extremes she is adding to game confusion with answers to wrong questions and other hollow content. She lacks the curiosity of town. e.g., When Ruru, myself (and I'm sure others) were looking at Eth0s recent post and thinking, WTF???, Sajj was like, "oh yeah I think that's eth0s."
@Sajj It was a legit compliment. Being a good bullshitter is a strength as scum.
And one super simple example: In what world does town have her read progression on me? I'm not saying I can't be seen as scummy. I'm not saying that in the slightest. Look at her read progression, though. It makes 0.0000 sense from a town perspective.
In post 438, Scioness Sajj wrote:I had no problem following Drixx's thoughts in 254 and I think Oxy took it out of the context/misread it and ofrhz panicked?
Where did I panic? …Why would I panic with no one voting me?
In post 447, Scioness Sajj wrote:I don't understand why you are saying 'we're back to this' I think it's my first time mentioning it?
I meant ‘we’ in the general sense. Other people in game have brought it up before.
In post 447, Scioness Sajj wrote:I have sort of explained it in my post to ruru. But examples (can provide post in necessary):
1. I remember you saying to me that I have lied and I'm nervous that you are sussing me. I don't see a reason for you to state your opinions like that - you are not really asking for clarification nor are those things affecting your read on me. But they are there for some reason, perhaps you are leaving crumbs behind that you can use when it will be more beneficial to scum!ohrhz to push a case on me. Especially when I add to it that you were about to go and re-evaluate at me but backed off.
2. In 438, examples 268, 247.
3. 255 you mention two post, one from the beginning of the game and the other most current. I feel like if you genuinely didn't know what he was referring to you'd just ask which post it was. I agree that Drixx's post was vague, so if you really didn't understand what he was referring to it seems more naturally to me to just ask generic question instead of giving two examples.
You are towny on your own and on their own those things above are pretty much nai, can be just your playstyle, but when I connect them with agendas Oxy's pushing then it looks like teamplay. Solving Oxy would make it easier for me to read you and all other slots in general.
1. I don’t think I ever accused you of lying??? Or of being nervous? (Maybe you thought I was accusing you of being defensive in 355, but that was just me trying to back out of the argument bc I wasn’t interested in pursuing it any further. Please just take that post at face value). In fact, whenever you've misunderstood me or someone else throughout this game, I feel like I have given you the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, considering I’ve never accused you of lying or of being nervous, I think the rest of your first point is moot. I will say that I did go back and re-evaluate you, and I haven’t said anything about it because I’m waiting on people (namely Drixx) to come back and post some more first.
2. In 247 I was curious why Drixx conspicuously didn't say anything about ruru. At this point, I was considering ruru/Drixx, and Drixx’s latest post seemed like he was distancing himself from ruru.
In 268, I just agreed with him. Idk what else to say. Like I said earlier, most of ruru’s posts were just clarification questions for a while, and I didn’t want to probe her for that. If you go back and read my posts, I think I did engage in ruru based on what little else I had to work with, but admittedly I could have done a better job.
3. When someone says something I don’t understand, I sometimes go back to previous posts to see where they may be coming from. I don’t understand how this is hard to believe? I think my response to Drixx in 376 explains why his argument was just out of left field.
You made all these individual points, but then never explained how they are scummy if Oxy was scum. Which, given the argument you trying to make, is the only important part imo.
Can you explain why you think Oxy is suspicious? I’m also confused by what agenda Oxy and I could be pushing, so can you also elaborate on this a bit?
In post 448, Scioness Sajj wrote:pff, I've messed up. my answer after dashes are for last two questions from the first quote (I assumed they were towards me, but I wasn't sure?)
This was for ruru and Oxy (they were voting for eth0s at the time), but thanks for answering anyway.
@Oxy, you have to understand that not everyone thinks the same people are town. Also I think ruru’s vote was a little incongruous given her generally cautious playstyle. A ploy to seem more town?
@skitter, assuming nothing else in the game changed, would you have felt more comfortable with this wagon if it dragged out over 3 days versus 3 hours?
In post 457, ofrhz wrote:@Oxy, you have to understand that not everyone thinks the same people are town. Also I think ruru’s vote was a little incongruous given her generally cautious playstyle. A ploy to seem more town?
I get it. I'm not calling people names or screaming LUL BAD TOWN. I think you can understand how it would be frustrating from my perspective. No? I've also been trying to say things that will make the three of you go, "huh, let me look at her last posts again" when I see her be scummy because I'm hoping it will be more effective than the walls that weren't.
In post 457, ofrhz wrote:Also I think ruru’s vote was a little incongruous given her generally cautious playstyle. A ploy to seem more town?
From my perspective it made complete sense considering I had explained my reasoning, and in 381 she had already shown herself amenable to going along with my strats
I'm saying that you're excellent at fabricating semi-reasonable content as scum, but that doesn't stop it from being fabricated. Again, it was a compliment. I consider myself a good bullshitter, as well.
alright, i'm about 5 pages into the game, trying to go in-depth in this one because it seems like a pretty high-level newbie game from what i've seen so far. readslist as of page 5 is this:
don't consider the bottom to be "very strong scumreads" or vice versa for the top, it's just an ordered list.
i can elaborate on this if anyone cares but i don't think it's all that productive to go hugely into the reasons when it's still liable to change as i keep reading through. just feel like i should actually be providing content.
In post 454, Oxy wrote:I've never had the thought that town!drixx is a "bad thing." Bad for whom/what? There must be a miscommunication somewhere.
In post 410, Oxy wrote:1) Drixx shows us why experience matters, convincing us that he is town and
breaking this beautiful town circle to shreds
Town!drixx leads to a 'beautiful' townbloc 'breaking to shreds'. The connotation is that this is a bad thing. (ie something beautiful has been destroyed). I don't know why you're framing it this way and I really see a connection between 'town!drixx posting townie things' and 'townbloc getting destroyed'.
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In post 454, Oxy wrote:and more saying that "In the absence of quality town content and in the face of someone else's stated intent to hammer, I won't unvote."
Spoiler: spoilered for length
Yes, and I don't feel comfortable staying on an L-1 wagon and enabling the possible hammer of someone I don't particularly scumread. (I don't townread him either, but I don't really scumread him. I more ????? him and I need him to post more to come to a conclusion).
Like you're saying 'hey, let's put someone at L-1 and give a 24-hour ultimatum for someone to post town content, and if not we'll hammer them.' I don't have a problem saying that if people post non-town content (ie scummy) content, we'll hammer them. I do have a problem hammering someone with a *lack* of content when it isn't necessarily AI and it could just be a real life thing. Do I think it's pro-town if people lurk? No. But I don't think it's *scummy* either. I don't want to enable you to let someone get hammered if I don't really scumread them.
Like I feel like you're conflating 'not posting' and 'posting scummy things' and grouping the two in the same category and treating them the same when I feel like they're totally different. One I'm cool with enabling a hammer on, the other I'm not.
Like you're penalizing people for not proving that they're townie. I'm saying that I only want to lynch people who have actually acted scummy, regardless of how townie they've behaved. And these two things aren't quite the same.
Like you've given a 24 hour deadline - what if he just doesn't visit the thread during that period and he gets hammered once the time limit is up? Like you're fundamentally making the assumption that he'll actually see it and then choose whether or not to respond and I don't know if that's a valid assumption.
This feels kinda predatory on lurkers and pushing for an easy lynch tbh.
In post 454, Oxy wrote:At her most townie, Sajj is doing superficial scumhunting. At her most scummy, Sajj is throwing vague shade around the room with little to no analysis of how she reached her conclusions. In the middle of those extremes she is adding to game confusion with answers to wrong questions and other hollow content.
I for the most part understand her thought process. I don't know if I agree with it but I never really got the vibe that she's fabricating things tbh.
I think the 'answering wrong questions' thing is indicative of not being a native English speaker, not of her alignment - it's pretty apparent that she's answering the question she thought was asked, and that she's getting annoyed at people for not reading her posts the way she thought she wrote them.
In post 454, Oxy wrote:e.g., When Ruru, myself (and I'm sure others) were looking at Eth0s recent post and thinking, WTF???, Sajj was like, "oh yeah I think that's eth0s."
I read that post and assumed it was eth0s's promised catch-up that he didn't finish for whatever reason. It wasn't a wtf-y post to me, and I don't get why not having that reaction is scummy and exhibits a 'lack of town curiosity'.
Like I feel like calling the whole post bs without specifying why you think that is kinda shading.
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In post 457, ofrhz wrote:@skitter, assuming nothing else in the game changed, would you have felt more comfortable with this wagon if it dragged out over 3 days versus 3 hours?
Not really; see the spoiler above for why I don't really like it right now.
tldr: I feel like oxy wants to hammer people if they lurk and I don't really feel comfortable doing that; I didn't realize that he would pile on my vote and got other people to join the wagon with the intent of hammering if he doesn't post if I voted there, and I don't want to enable a hammer on a lurker when I feel like we should be lynching scum and not lurkers.
Basically I was cool with my vote as a pressure vote but I don't want it to lead to a hammer before drixx posts because I don't have a read on him (and I feel ike imposing a 24-hour deadline could lead to that happening if he doesn't post in that timeframe) so I left the wagon.
In post 463, skitter30 wrote:In post 410, Oxy wrote:
1) Drixx shows us why experience matters, convincing us that he is town and breaking this beautiful town circle to shreds
Town!drixx leads to a 'beautiful' townbloc 'breaking to shreds'. The connotation is that this is a bad thing. (ie something beautiful has been destroyed). I don't know why you're framing it this way and I really see a connection between 'town!drixx posting townie things' and 'townbloc getting destroyed'.
Again,
this is in the context of a hypothetical question from Ruru, the premise of which is that Drixx is scum, and that all four of us, you, me, ofhrz, and ruru, are town.
If scum!drixx convinced town!us that he was town, and in the process made us more suspicious of one another, that would be a bad thing. This is not a post saying what I believe the results of a drixx wagon will be in this game.
It is an answer to a hypothetical question that presupposes both his alignment and our alignments.
Addressing your spoiler:
I think it's okay that we have different points of view on this, and I'm more than happy to follow your lead to win this game. Just tell me what the plan is and I'm there. I also think that you should try to view what I've said just a tad more charitably. I don't think I've said anything to imply that this is to be set in stone and nothing could change. In fact, I've called for input and leadership from other players multiple times. Regardless, I'm not going to be party to a lynch a person if they are just straight up away from the site for 24 hours. I also would suggest holding the hammer if they were to be like, "Hey, I really can't post today but if you give me until X time I promise that I'll get you what you're looking for." In that situation, I'd suggest turning the wagon towards someone else for the time being. If they didn't follow through on that promise, I would have no qualms being involved in that lynch.
I'm also not "arguing for an easy lynch on a lurker." My top scum and favorite lynch has the second highest number of posts in the game, only below myself.
I think if you looked at Sajj with the critical eye you have trained on me, you'd be pushing for her lynch. If you were reading me with the same level of charity as you read her, I'd be bleeding buckets of town.
As to the wtf moment, you don't find it weird that Eth0s decided the most valuable use of his obviously limited time was to review page one of this thread and only page one? I see his post as next to useless, and not indicative at all at any meaningful attempt to either provide content or scumhunt. That post took 5 minutes of reading page one and 3 minutes of putting quotes together. I would have found it far more reasonable for him to post nothing at all. I guess that's just a difference of opinion. Out of respect for you, I will no longer consider it when looking at Sajj's alignment.
but that's what I was answering. "How will this play out if Drixx +NSG/eth0s are scum?" Do you see now why my language in my answer not only makes sense but it is fully appropriate?
In post 353, Scioness Sajj wrote:Where do you want to get with five people playing the game right now? I feel like I have answered that in 351.
It's not that I particularly want to go somewhere so much as I feel like people are being overly cautious of L-2, and that since wagons are being unvoted kinda prematurely imo, the target might not feel pressured to actually respond to them.
It was only me being cautious. Ruru was first wagon to be formed this game, I believe. And yeah, I get what you are saying and I agree.
In post 363, Scioness Sajj wrote:Oxy - since I have made my post with reasoning on my townlean he has been proving me wrong. If one is scum so is the other imo.
I still don't really understand the connection between scum!oxy and scum!ofrzh.
Why has oxy no longer been acting townie in your opinion?
I never found his action towards me to be townie, I have explained why I have a townlean here 284. Since then he has been giving me reason to believe that his actions were premeditated.
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In post 288, pinturicchio wrote:In post 14, Oxy wrote:
@Ofrhz How do you feel about RVS in a general sense?
This post is an early attempt of mine to trip Ofrhz up. Had he answered in nearly any other way, I would have scum read him in 20 rather than town read him.
It's similar to how I gave Sajj extra rope to hang herself in 171 before posting 173.
171 is just after the misunderstanding/me being unclear/whatever you want to call it. He said he didn’t answer 152, because it wasn’t a question (when in post above he said he doesn’t understand what I want from him, so he knew I wanted something from him yet he didn't answer because I didn't form a question in my clarification). And then in 171 he already gives me a rope. I have no reason to believe that he was being genuine in that series of posts.
Also 316 proves that he is able to analyze a game on deeper level. So why his first case on me was so weak? Weak to the point I had to explain to him why most of it is too weak to push a case. He didn't come up with anything stronger, he saw that 'his town reads' weren't buying, he didn't really try to reason with people (I don't remember him trying to convince you or get into a convo why you don't find those things suspicious were he had me as obvscum on me, I don't remember him discussing it with anybody), I think if it was town motivated tunnel he would argue more or actually reconsider if maybe what he thinks is wrong since everybody else disagreed with him. Instead he goes with:
In post 282, Oxy wrote:I know Sajj has posed questions for me, but I'm just going to ignore them for the moment. My town reads remain unconvinced that she is scum, and that is enough to give me pause at this point. Don't misunderstand me. Sajj is still my #1 lynch today. I just don't think it's pro-town to continue going back and forth with her right now.
1. Town reads don't agree = they are wrong. So instead of actually making better case on me he went into buddying you and every now and then just posting how scummy I am without even providing what he is referring to. He just makes sure you don't forget how scummy I am.
2. This reads to me that he refuses to re-evaluate. I highly doubt he ever wanted to re-evaluate or consider anything I wrote from town!sajj perspective because:
In post 88, Oxy wrote:tl;dr I don't agree that the devil is in the details, and as such I think some of your interactions are more likely to come from scum than from town. However,
genuinely different approaches to finding scum would make those interactions NAI.
I don't understand why somebody having different approach to finding scum then he has make those attempts NAI instead of just town? It feels like he is saying here that he has already made up his mind and everything I say has to be either null or scum. And this was really early in the game.
General things:
1. Oxy has said he has done some thinking about his reads but not really. His reads stay about the same. So he is either extremly confident he is right and I see no reason for town!oxy to be so confident especially when he subscribes to the paranoia theory. He has created his town block and they should follow him. Becuase following him is apparently being a team player
In post 419, Oxy wrote:--ruru is being a team player and it is absolutely pro town vote. Also, I like to think that my asking her helped.
and that what the game is about, right?
In post 110, Oxy wrote:I don't remember the game. I read it before this one started, so when we started playing, I noticed your name. I remember you (town) getting wrecked by a super lurker/trolly mafia team with not mafia.
I also remember having similar reads to you, and then finding out that you had some of the best reads of town.
I can search for it if you want?
He keeps skitter in high regard because her reads were good and they also covered with his. What happens when her reads don't cover with hers? They make him pause, not reconsider if he is right. Just stop his case he so strongly believes in. He just has to keep telling skitter how towny and a good player she is and at some point she will start listening to him. In the meantime he can try to lynch a lurker. That's scum trying to presuade another player not town resonating with someone.
In post 199, skitter30 wrote:Is it accurate to say that you think he's deliberately ignoring you? IE that you don't inherently have a problem with someone not sharing thoughts, but you dislike it when people avoid direct questions, which is what you think he's doing?
There wasn't a question in that spoiler, or I would have answered it.
In post 273, skitter30 wrote:I don't really understand why you don't think his posts come from scum. Can you explain again?
I don't understand this either. It feels like scum!sajj feels forced to keep her non-read on me. I have no reason to believe Sajj thinks this way, but it feels like one of those people who believes consistency in reads is the ultimate town-tell and has awful read progression as a result.
What town motivation Oxy has to hop in like that? Quote 1 - he makes a really bad excuse for himself. Quote 2 - Skitter is talking to me, yet he has to add his opinion
he has no reason to believe in
. Guess who has no read progression? Oxy. Because all the most active players he already sorted for game (I mean he pretended to sort ruru, who is connected to me by my 'no l-1 ruru' thing but he arrived at the same conclusion he has started with even though, he has mentioned he has an arguemnt against her being scummy he is not sharing just yet) and there is pin which he is either sorting or trying to sort but he has no other choice either aligement.
3. Oxy discredits, puts a scum narrative.
Spoiler:
In post 187, Oxy wrote:If it wasn't clear, I'm saying I think she told us her scum game plan, and then she executed it.
In post 331, Oxy wrote:Ironically, it's only after I stop pushing a lynch on Sajj that she starts throwing scum tells out left and right.
In post 384, Oxy wrote:ebwop: except for Sajj. That girl be scum.
In post 449, Oxy wrote:The most frustrating part of this game for me is reading the stream of bullshit coming from Sajj, and having none of my town reads see it.
That's not meant to be an insult, by the way. It's excellent bullshit, and I'm impressed. It's still bullshit, though.
In post 454, Oxy wrote:The basic gist is this: At her most townie, Sajj is doing superficial scumhunting. At her most scummy, Sajj is throwing vague shade around the room with little to no analysis of how she reached her conclusions. In the middle of those extremes she is adding to game confusion with answers to wrong questions and other hollow content. She lacks the curiosity of town. e.g., When Ruru, myself (and I'm sure others) were looking at Eth0s recent post and thinking, WTF???, Sajj was like, "oh yeah I think that's eth0s."
This is all shading. The example is misrepresentation, Ruru has misunderstood why I have quoted her post and started explanning why eth0s post made no sense to her. Then she got to the conclusion that he started catching up on her own before I got to answer her and say that I agree that that's what eth0s is doing.
4. Oxy looks for my partner in lurkers.
He can't look for a partner in his town team so yeah. But why in the first place would he look for my partner in bearly active people instead of pushing a lynch on me. He is sure I'm scum, but he backed off as soon as he saw townteam isn't going to follow. He apparently cares more about his townteam comfort than solving and winning the game. Making people believe your case doesn't mean he has to go into 1 v 1 with me, he could just make a better case. Which I bet he actually could judging by his excesive town read on Skitter if he had one.
5. Paranoia.
In post 443, Oxy wrote:428 should clear up a lot of that. Paranoia is a town trait. We'll get there in the end. =)
Paranoia is only good from a pov of a person that wants to lead town and has enough towncred to get people to sheep them. By no means being overly paranoid it’s protown nor it’s ai. (Like, if Oxy believes paranoia is towny than he isn’t towny by his own ai definition of paranoia???)
This all is either extremly bad deathtunnel or an attempt to get two easy mislynches off and has a control over the game.
If this is a town play then I don’t think I have done anything in this game or at all to warrant this kind of paranoia/tunnel. It’s bad town play (for both him and me and everybody else, since he is now looking for my partner 369, so he is putting the game in narrative for everybody) and I don’t need that affecting my reads or making me want to go against my wincon just to prove him wrong. I don’t know how to deal with it beside making the game a 1v1 again.
I have tried to make him understand why his first case was weak, but he just stopped responding for lamist reasons so yeah.
Sorry but my vote is parked on Oxy. I don't want to make it about me, but I need this solved because the tunnel is affecting me. I have made my case and he can make his and you can judge from there. Or it can wait till d2, but I'm pretty sure that if I'm alive it will be the same story.
@skitter30 I don't even really understand how you misread that answer? If drixx was town and he convinced us he was town, how would that destroy anything? We'd just add him to the list of town. When the conclusion didn't make any sense at all, didn't you think for a moment that you might have misread it?
In that wall Sajj says that I never tried to engage my town reads in conversation about her, and then calls it scummy for instances where I engage my town reads in conversation about her.
By my reading the only decent point is that I don't have the paranoia I call towny. I think it can be a town-indicative trait. I don't think all towns are paranoid all the time. I also think I was paranoid of Ruru, and that's why I reread her and posted about how I had done so because of paranoia sometime yesterday.
I've reread sajj's iso something like a half dozen times this game. She's good at scum. I caught her, but she is definitely good at scum.
I appreciate your suggestion, but I'll play my game in the most pro-town way I know how, and engaging you in a long back and forth for a second time is not part of that game.
btw scum!me has virtually no reason to go back to oxy now, when people has moved on and are about to lynch lurkers. The only reason for scum!me to push back now would be if you were about to lynch my scum mate but that would mean second scum is in {drixxx, eth0s} but I'd gain towncred from bussing then getting myself into the spotlight for refusing to lynch a lurker.
scum!me would also benefit more from having a scum lean on ruru and me not doing it would me that ruru is scum. but then scum me would have no reason to go back to mislynching oxy isntead of going with a luker lynch.
