VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Purple Heart]

Thats ali btw and so is this

[Skybird]

I got a puzzle and I sent a solution to Varsoon. Is this your puzzle Chara?

[Purple Heart]

Skyburd are you going to read the posts I directed towards you?
Or did you already read them and just have no real obligation to respond
Because I would like to know that my posts were in fact read.
~Ali

[Skybird]

Sorry Ali, I got caught up in the puzzle thing. Let me get back to your posts.

[Purple Heart]

Fair fair.

[Skybird]

Consider my vote retroactively on Venmar, don't really want to put the vote there because we're Bee's triple voter.

-Snip-

Your TRs are fine.
Chara is kinda just town. Like when they were talking to bee over my slot, they seemed really hard to try to not tunnel but they were in fact tunneling but either way they are trying to solve the game and were trying to evaluate my slot, so they are just obvious town.

Same thing with Beeboy. Not to mention this is coming from someone who can confidently read both heads. Like bee is busy, and he would use "playing Xenoblade Chronicles 2" or "Studying" to avoid the game for massive amounts the time.
Maki, their approach to how their operating their hydra with Bee is exactly identical to here. Claire let me basicly do whatever I wanted and she would pop in whenever I needed her to cover for me.
Like, there is no doubt in my mind this slot is town.

Now, let's take a lesson from this.
I can read both Beeboy and Claire.
My read is relatively naunced, strong, and has good reasons to back it up.
You are struggling to read that slot.

So you should trust my strengths, because I am either
A. Scum with Maid Cafe
B. A wolf who knows Maid Cafe is town.
C. Town who is likely right on Maid Cafe.

So ask if your TRs if you can rule both of us out.
If you think we're not the scumteam, then you should atleast trust my read on Maid Cafe.

Snarky is just PoE town to me?

Creature on the otherhand, the thing about Creature is he has a very defining meta.
I could link you multiple scumgames of Creature's, but I don't think I need to.
Scum!Creature would have an insanely lower amount of posts during the day.
Its LIKELY that Creature is just town based on D1.
In fact, I am going to give you the Creature reading Checklist
(I need to save this somewhere)

Is Creature Active?
Is Creature doing his usual stream of consciousness posting?
Is Creature confident in his towniness?
Is Creature taking the easy outs on his reads (IE Obvtown town, lynchbaits consensus scum)?

If the answer to the first 3 is yes and the last 1 is no, then he is town.

D2 the sudden drop in activity kinda urks me, so if it was like F5 with 1 wolf left or F7 with two wolfs left
(basicly day before LyLo with a low amount of wolfs remaining)
then go ahead and lynch it.
Otherwise it'll make your life easier if you just mark it as town.

Taly might interact with your readlist some more, but this is all I have to say for now. Again here are my own reads.

The townies that are going to win the game, AKA the perfect townbloc you could ever ask for in a game.

Me
Bee/Claire
Titus/Kiana
Chara

People that need to be in the above category because they're town they just need to be in sync

Skyburd
RR

Town but I have 0 idea what his stances are so it's kinda just doing it's own thing

Icon

The leftovers townies

(IE, they aren't scum because people are way more scummier then them, and scum are pushing them)
Snarky
Dunn

Town but lynch before LyLo with a low remaining amount of wolves alive (1-2) if inactivity continues

Creature

And the rest of the game aka wolves

Gamma (Obvious)
Baku (Trust in Bee, don't think its scum with Gamma that doesn't make any sense with pre-flip associations)
Venmar (I was townreading this, but I could completely buy Venmar being the powerwolf/deepwolf of the team)
Nancy (Obvious)
A50 (The last wolf if Creature isn't)

tbh in my mind I either like the appeal of {Creature, Venmar, Gamma, nancy} I think that's the team that works with the gamestate the most(I can link multiple points where Gamma was fos'ing nancy but there was no real "push" there its what you call a bus.
Venmar has been defending both hard defending Gamma and nancy.
Creature TR'd nancy
Micc's ISO looked like he was buddies with Gamma off the top of my head?)

If Creature isn't the wolf feel free to splash A50 in. If Gamma isn't the wolf feel free to splash Baku in.

But yeah, game solved ez.

~Ali

You make it sound so easy but do you really think that's going to be the case in a Varsoon game?

I concede your points on CM and Chara. I'm willing to move them up to town. For now I will also trust you on Creature.

This post makes you feel town to me as well. So my revised list looks like this.

Town

Skybird
Iconeum - above IC
RR - There's no way scum RR is this upset about the planes changing flavor
Bronya Zaychik - working to solve the game
Maid Cafe - Because PH says so
Chara - Gambits aside, working to solve game
Creature - Because PH says so
Purple Heart

Leaning Scum

Gamma - Knowing the Pacifist path favors scum, his claim seems like a dream come true for a scum, then I think why would he claim it. I think since he wouldn't actually die, his alignment would not be revealed and by claiming he looks more town.
SnarkySnowman - haven't seen enough from him to know
Baku and Munna - I just flat out don't have a read on them, something I will be looking in to

Likely Scum

Nancy Drew - slot has done nothing, Micc's play was questionable
Dunnstral - don't see much if any game solving
Almost50 - didn't like the hammer on SD
Venmar - based on Bronya's PT thing

[Reasonably Rational]

And I suppose I just don't expect much from Venmar with regards to mechanics, perhaps because of the tone of his posts, I just don't expect him to be super mechanically oriented, and therefore likely to make mistakes(as he just did), so I would have wanted to be extra sure before risking wasting the ability. *Shrug*

u suck too

I dont think you suck, I just don't think you approach the game the same way I do.

-Cerb

[Purple Heart]

Pretty sure I fucked up some post numbering somewhere.

Everyone not ISO Mapped here, are either strong townreads or I do not want to sort right now.

This is how I am 'ranking' these posts:

+ working together with somebody, townreading them, defending them, buddying them, helping them, allying with them
++ explicitly calling someone a townread
- working against somebody, scumreading them, attacking them, pushing them, discrediting them
-- explicitly calling someone a scumread
= neutral interactions, usually quoting somebody without either attacking or defending them, sometimes these are just interactions about setup spec or passing mentions of a slot, sometimes this is responding to a case someone made against you without making it clear whether you’re scumreading them in return or townreading them.
== stating explicitly that a person is a null read
? I didn’t understand this reaction. this modifies a previous symbol, so +? means “is this an interaction with a townread?” and -? means “is this an interaction with a scumread?” and +?-? means i have no clue what’s going on in that post.
v votes

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 1#p9404571 >>> Kudos to this person for creating a key for ISO maps, this is an ended game by the way.

Spoiler: Baku ISO Map

Baku:

++/-/-/+281 --/-/++/=516 =521 =522 -/=/+/+524 -/=/++568 =762 --1222 --/=/?1223 +/-1228 -1258 -1260 =1262 =/-1264 -/=1268 -1271 -/-/--1940 =2658 ?2661 =2691 ==/==/-/-/+/==/+/=/+=/+/==/+/+=2753 =2759 =2764 +3102 +/-3113 =3232 -3337 ++/-/-3464 -3465 -3472 +/+=/-/+/-/+=/++/=/-/==/+=/==/+/==3474 -3485 -/=3491 =3518 +3607 +/-3673 ?3696 +3702 =3709

Personal Notes WHILE Doing The ISO-

- Around the 500 posts mark,

Baku

has not elaborated a lot on his reads regarding why

Chara

was scum. I also doubt

Creature/Baku

working together.
- Also at 1222, he paints

OTM's

post as OMGUS and then votes him as his return post
- At seeing 1260, if

Venmar

or

Baku

flip scum, I feel like it's more possible the other will.
-

Baku

has taken long-post-periods without posting and then returns to either defend, not scumhunt, or state someone is scum.
- 2753 had a LOT of null-ish reads, and as many scum as townreads.
- 2905 Doesn't prefer to lynch yet, but still is good for a

Shining Dreamers

lynch? Eww
- 3078 is a bad post in general, reads up to an extent without commentary and then decided not to try.
- Feels the need to state

"I'm town"

more than once.
- Why was

Venmar

hooded over

Bronya?

Final Verdict: -6

Scum-Lean

, didn't like his early insistence on not explaining scumreads and not talking much with townreads.
This hydra has also done the thing of "any case against me is auto-BS" without too much in depth explanation
Does not come across as town game-solving, and at most, someone whos pointing a finger while ignoring the finger being pointed at them.

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Spoiler: Creature ISO Map

Creature:

=79 -153 -154 +157 +177 ++180 =261 +578 +582 ?997 --999 +1002 ?1005 +1006 +1019 +1020 +1024 +1029 -1034 =1309 +1626 ?1629 +1641 --/-1642 ++1650 -1651 ++1664 =16665 -/-/-1665 +/==1671 +1864 -1886 ==2344 -2356 -2358 +2360 +2362 +2391 -2402 +2435 =2792
=3082 -3083 -3101

Personal Notes-

- 112 This interaction does not strike me as

Creature/Venmar

working together.
- Nothing that seems NAI

Creature

for quite a few posts.
- Do not like his D2 posts, which is acontrast from D1.

Final Verdict: +10

Town-Lean

, while

Creature

has done very little to progress the game completely and his posting has jumped off a bit
I feel like this is more so him as town, he actively puts his thought process forward and his posts do not seem to have a scum-motivated agenda
Quite the opposite I'd think, because he's townhunting as well as scumhunting, which I like.

Spoiler: Nancy ISO Map

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Nancy:

+275 =3558 +3708 -3767 ?3770

Personal Notes-

There's really not much to work here... Still seems like they're trying to catch up in this game, but I don't have a strong read on them much at all.

Final Verdict: +1

Purely-Null

, this is a big question mark, because I didn't like the Micc slot priorto her, and she hasn't really added much of input
I get that there is so much to this game, but I haven't seen much to suggest she's town despite her minimal + posting.

~~~

Spoiler: Almost50 ISO Map

Almost50:

+526 ?527 =680 +/+/=1010 +/+/==/+1039 =/+/+/+/+/-/-1053 +/?/+1279 =1289 -/++1321 +/+/+/+/+/+/+/+/--/--/--/==/==/==1337 ?/++1340 --1388 +/=/+1411 +/+/++1423 +/++/+1425 =[2031]2031[/post] +/+/+/+/+/+/+/+/+/-/-/--/--/--/-2145 -2204 +/-2227 =2331 -2530 -/-2596 +/-/-2600 +2602 -2781 -/-/-3347 +/+/+/+/+/+/+/=/-/-/-/-3353 =3356 +3559 +3372 ?/--3442 -3446 =3448 +/==3517 -3638
3649

Personal Notes-

- Early-game he seemed to have a focus on townreads, which doesn't strike me as scum, initially.
- 1321 is such a weird way to conclude a townread on someone, especially confirmed-town
- 1337 feels weird because he doesn't elaborate or explicitly state his reads.
- 1340 why was it too late to confirm his vote being lost at the time?
-

Almost50

is in love with

Chara

, like, buddying level.
- He worked well with everyone in D1...
- 2145 eck, not in depth explained readslist and

Ali-SD

associative with a

Skybird

vote? o_o
- 2218 What's the point of this interaction to

Gamma

?
- Townlean through ISOing

Almost50

begins to fade around 2400...
- Lot of AtE past 2800 post mark
- Went from a strong townread to a weak scumread by D2, is breeding apathy a bit
- I want to say the explosion of frustration is town, but I really haven't seen scumhunting here since D2 began

Final Verdict: +16

Neutral But Lean-Town

, this is the weakest townread of mine in the game, and easily the most conflicted read I have in the entire game.
Primarily because D1 he had a lot of +'s going on and seemed to develop reads genuinely
But with each post in D2 so far, he's become less and less cooprative, and I don't understand his motivations
His high +'s are mostly from earlier D1, and the fact that he's posted quite a lot, and has had several high-content posts

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Spoiler: Venmar ISO Map

Venmar:

?/-39 =/-108 =123 +130 -131 -140 -146 --148 -150 =155 -161 -167 -170 +/+286 =/-288 ++/+294 -/-374 ?376 =/+408 -490 -491 ?496 =499 =515 =529 -634 --636 +/-641 ?648 -704 -717 +750 ++899 +/-934 +942 =955 =/-1204 ++1211 ?/-1231 -1263 -1286 -1296 +/+/+/+/+1312 ?1316
+1320 +1325 -1328 -1332 +1535 ++/-1536 -/-1538 =1549 =1551 -/+1569 -1749 =1754 -1761 -1777 -1893 -1896 +2237 +/-2243 =2299 -2305 =23098 =2311 -2314 -2319 -2322 +/-2326 +/-2419 +/-2381 =2385 +2389 =2406 -2319 ++2795 ++/-2966 -2977 ?2990 -2998 -3010 -3014 -3018 =3021
--3272 +/+/=/-/--3335 =3373 --/-/+/++3469 ?/-3484 --3651 ?/+3652 -3653 +3668 --/-3761 -3773

Personal Notes-

- Really dislike the phrasing of 140, seems too

"haha, are you this shade of bad or this?"

- Either his first 15-20 posts are completely shitposts for little reason, or he's intentionally trying to paint people as scum. I doubt he's hunting because he hasn't followed through with any pressures.
- 283 Can potentially see

Venmar/Baku

working together.
- Quite a few of his posts are exclusive to conversation around him.
- Didn't see a huge point in 913's questioning, does

Venmar

think

Chara

fakeclaimed or not?
- I do like that he calls out

Cerb's

AtE toward

Chara

after the fakeclaim.
- Honestly wouldn't be surprised

Ven's

reads in 1313 had a scumbuddy in it if he flips scum
- I'm only around the 1300-mark... and half of

Ven's

gameplay consists of discrediting someone in some form.
- And the reason for 1549 was?
- Don't get the sheep onto the

Shining Dreamers

wagon
-

Ven

thinks

Gamma

is town because... sure?
- Didn't like the AtE here about my prompt for another topic 2314 and that he ignored the point of my post with the response in 2322
- Not sure of the purpose of using hood as an offensive tactic?
- If 3561 wasn't a bus, I don't what is... Seriously, I thought

Gamma

was your townread
- I really dislike how

Ven's

immediate reaction to any pressure is to either discredit it or throw AtE at it, there's no motivation to want to game solve here

Final Verdict: -28

Moderate Scum Read

, my personal notes have showed how I think quite a few of his responses in this game are at best, unhelpful
I think there's a constant discrediting, and not in depth explanation for their posts and reads, I don't know if this is gamestyle
But I get the feeling that this play is not town-motivated. If I had to make ANY associative-read right now, it would be

Venmar/Gamma

~~~

Spoiler: Gamma ISO Map

Tibor and Lumia:

+/==34 -117 +326 +/--344 +/+/+/=368 -/-377 -/-537 --564 =576 ==611 +/+623 --630 -643 =647 -661 +691 --/+/-/=/=/+727 +779 +781 -815 ?926 +990 --993 =/-/-/+/+1515 --1657

Personal Notes-

- 377 seems unnecessarily aggressive to

Mark

- Seriously do not like the tone of this hydra.
- Interesting to note that this was one of the first people to begin the

Shining Dreamers

suspicion
- 665 this reads like a scumclaim
- Love that my claim early-D1 was an easy point to push against me, and this slot did it until they found someone else to push

Gamma:

=1944 -1948 ==1994 ?1995 =2002 -2005 =2028 -2034 --2035 --/-2042 -2061 -2069 --2072 =/-2094 =2203 -2205 =2211 +/=2213 -2214 -2219 -/-/-2224 --/-/-/+/+/+/=2226 +2230 +/=2236 ?/=2246 +/-2251 +2289 +/-2292 =2301 +2321 -2325 -2328 ?2345 +/-/-/=2371 -2411 -2412 -2424 =2522 -2532 -2724
?2757 --2758 =/+-2779 +2784 -2811 --/--2956 -2658 -3167 ?3174 -3177 -3179 -3184 =3194 -3207 +3214 +3237 ?3254 +3299 +3324 +3326 +3365 -3390 +/-3409 =3490 +/-/-3561 +3589 +/=/-3590 +/-/-3667 -3670

Personal Notes-

- 2005 Ewwwwwwwwwww, not even 10 posts in and he's already discussing associatives D1
- 2035 is the first point where he agrees with someone on something he's 'interested' in, and it's about a scumread. -_- - 2040 what kind of question-post is this? /// Does Gamma do anything but scumread and discredit? Not even at 2100th mark, which is only 200 posts from his entry
- 2208 what I weak townhunt read
- 2235 Why is it odd to NOT townread someone?
- Dislike 2412 in particular,

Alisae

wasn't saying brass is scum for being sick, but becuase he was posting in games other than the current one
- 2424:

"Let's lynch someone because they're taking forever"

- 2690 want to note this post if

Baku

and/or

Gamma

flip scum
- 2796 examples a thing I'm not fond of seeing in

Gamma

, his means of questioning someone give off a sharp emotion but the questions seem irrelevant
- Ughhh.... 3167 is the worst post in the game, 3184 is also a misrep
- Also... I checked, and my 3561 link was NOT broken
- What's with

Gamma/Ven's

interactions around 3750 mark? Like, did

Gamma

magically start scumreading

Venmar

too?

Final Verdict: -37

Strongest Scumread In The Entire Game,

First, I want to say that I can DEFINITELY see

Gamma

killing

Mark

, judging by

Tibor

hydra interaction with

Mark

early D1, it seems very up/down and fake
There has been almost no post that I can see where

Gamma

, himself, has been actively scumhunting or townhunting, several of his posts lack content. Even more of his posts are mainly pointing out scumreads and to a degree, discrediting peoples pushes on them. The fact that he claimed lynchproof this late in D2 further tells me that this was solely to ward off his lynch

Despite how strongly I want

Gamma

lynched, I do not want to waste this dayphase by lynching

Gamma

IF

his lynchproof claim is actually true, I'd rather have a theme change and pursue him then

Since there's nobody else at the moment I feel as powerfully about in my reads, and the fact that I can see a

Gamma/Venmr

scumduo

VOTE: Venmar is where I want a lynch to happen today.
Unless

Alisae

convinces me otherwise, but I feel firm about my opinions and I think this is the best lynch for the day.

I'm kind of burnt out a little, so I won't be posting heavy-content tonight and until tomorrow.

~ Taly

[Reasonably Rational]

You should explicitly state who falls under the "I don't want to sort" category right now.

-Cerb

[Purple Heart]

Cerby maybe Taly can address that but I just want a flip
~Ali

[Purple Heart]

I also want to play a board game right now ;~;
~Ali

[Reasonably Rational]

Nope, no flips happening for awhile.

Sorry.

What board game?

-Cerb

[Purple Heart]

TABLEFLIP

And idunno just something fun I like deckbuilding games
~Ali

[Reasonably Rational]

TABLEFLIP

And idunno just something fun I like deckbuilding games
~Ali

Gross.

Literally my least favorite game type. Pick up Tabletop Simulator, I might consider playing games some time. ^^

-Cerb

[Purple Heart]

TABLEFLIP

And idunno just something fun I like deckbuilding games
~Ali

Gross.

Literally my least favorite game type. Pick up Tabletop Simulator, I might consider playing games some time. ^^

-Cerb

Have tabletop sim.
And honestly I'm willling to learn anything

[Varsoon]

Real talk, I'd love to play some Tabletop sim with all of you. You should be able to find me on steam as Varsoon.
That said, I ask that you use this thread to stay focused on this game.

[Iconeum]

How sure are you that gamma is in a team with Baku?

2042
2061
2072

3237 also doesn't feel forced, I believe this claim comes from town

[baku and munna]

I got my B&M hood at 12:50. so yeah lol.
The only motivation A50 has to claim is to cover for B&M even as town he shouldn't have claimed that.

Mark dying over {RR, MC, Purple, Chara, Bronya} is odd af and points to the guilty theory and not a coincedence.


Gamma is obvious scum and his flip points to Venmar.
B&M and A50 are just tied scum atm.

If I am wrong anywhere it's Nancy who is left.

Cerb thoughts on the team I've been at for awhile?

I’m not caught up enough yet to effectively weigh in on this, but eventhough I have have been a low poster thus far; I am def. not scummy.

Not town’s game, unless for some reason you’re a fan of mislynches?

I’m obv. referring to #3.

these posts are awful. not particularly scummy, just awful.

@alisae i didnt hood bronya because i had 0 reason to hood bronya. shiro misremembered and hadnt actually told me to hood bronya

also i am also up for tabletop simulator add me @aidsafk if you want

[Skybird]

Not town’s game, unless for some reason you’re a fan of mislynches?

I’m obv. referring to #3.

Do you have a reads list Nancy?

[Dunnstral]

I'm also lynchproof which has me eyeing gamma's claim


The way my role works is that votes just don't stick on me right now, so it's provable

Maybe it's just a pacifist route thing?

[Skybird]

Why do we do that right now.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Iconeum]

I'm still behind a bit with catching up, and having been sick didn't help.
My scumreads are a bit vague, but I have a fairly good feeling on town:

Iconeum, Skybird, Chara, Purple Heart, RR. I'm putting Chara in here, despite earlier scumread. I just can't see scum actually playing like that...
This is what I would call town with reasonable assurance at this point.

[Purple Heart]

@alisae i didnt hood bronya because i had 0 reason to hood bronya. shiro misremembered and hadnt actually told me to hood bronya

I asked this from you?

--

I'm still behind a bit with catching up, and having been sick didn't help.
My scumreads are a bit vague, but I have a fairly good feeling on town:

Iconeum, Skybird, Chara, Purple Heart, RR. I'm putting Chara in here, despite earlier scumread. I just can't see scum actually playing like that...
This is what I would call town with reasonable assurance at this point.

Why don't you have Maid Cafe and Titus/Kiana as town?

[Purple Heart]

Also because when you want something done right, do it yourself, I'ma try to help Taly out with maps to attempt to get a whole overview of how certain slots have interacted with each other
(If you compare what Taly has done to what Plot did in KH, what Plot presented was a bit more what I wanted from Taly, but I can't really blame him since when explaining the concept I might have not explained well enough what I was looking for as well as why this needed to be done, as well as its general purpose)

~Ali

[Purple Heart]

Updated ISO Map Key

+ working together with somebody, townreading them, defending them, buddying them, helping them, allying with them
++ explicitly calling someone a townread
- working against somebody, scumreading them, attacking them, pushing them, discrediting them
-- explicitly calling someone a scumread
= neutral interactions, usually quoting somebody without either attacking or defending them, sometimes these are just interactions about setup spec or passing mentions of a slot, sometimes this is responding to a case someone made against you without making it clear whether you’re scumreading them in return or townreading them.
== stating explicitly that a person is a null read
? I didn’t understand this reaction. this modifies a previous symbol, so +? means “is this an interaction with a townread?” and -? means “is this an interaction with a scumread?” and +?-? means i have no clue what’s going on in that post.
v votes
u unvotes but only if someone says who they’re unvoting because i’m lazy
☀ marks boundaries between days
✝ a gravestone to mark that a slot has died.
R marking the boundaries where a replacement occurred (both when the slot I'm ISOing was replaced and when the other player was replaced; haven't figured out a solution to this overlap yet)
_ conspicuous absences