VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean I have a vague recollection of there possibly being some friction but other than that I'm not so sure. I said they were major conversation points cos like
Many people suspected Ico
Many people suspected Sky
And now no one gives a shit?
Everyone currently active: what was your thoughts on Ico + Sky before and after Shining's flip?

[Reasonably Rational]

I mean I have a vague recollection of there possibly being some friction but other than that I'm not so sure. I said they were major conversation points cos like
Many people suspected Ico
Many people suspected Sky
And now no one gives a shit?
Everyone currently active: what was your thoughts on Ico + Sky before and after Shining's flip?

Exactly the same as my current thoughts, I didn't understand what the behavioral connections everyone was using to connect them were. Then we learned they were in a hood, and the conversation shifted to the likelihood of there being scum in the hood. I suppose I was pretty sure that there was likely scum between the two of them, but didn't actually have any idea which one was more likely scum. The hammer and B&M thing and A50 thing have eclipsed that particular solving method for me today though. I am still interested in any posts that drew other's interest and established a connection between the two which occurred before their hood was outed though.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

@Icon, Skybird: Are you still in a PT with one another? More specifically, did the PT from D1 persist, and if not, was it replaced by a new PT/a PT with a new origin today?

-Cerb

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean I have a vague recollection of there possibly being some friction but other than that I'm not so sure. I said they were major conversation points cos like
Many people suspected Ico
Many people suspected Sky
And now no one gives a shit?
Everyone currently active: what was your thoughts on Ico + Sky before and after Shining's flip?

Exactly the same as my current thoughts, I didn't understand what the behavioral connections everyone was using to connect them were. Then we learned they were in a hood, and the conversation shifted to the likelihood of there being scum in the hood. I suppose I was pretty sure that there was likely scum between the two of them, but didn't actually have any idea which one was more likely scum. The hammer and B&M thing and A50 thing have eclipsed that particular solving method for me today though. I am still interested in any posts that drew other's interest and established a connection between the two which occurred before their hood was outed though.

-Cerb

This actually indirectly answers my initial question, but the question to everyone active still stands

[Venmar]

guys, i will not lie

i have been playing a lot of puzzle pirates. nostalgia is commanding my life atm im sorry

[Venmar]

also, lynch me if you guys dare

im sitting perplexed tbh. i dont have the energy nor the fucks to read taly's walls. i can respond to direct and concise questions but other than that it is what it is

[Venmar]

im actually also still townreading gamma, for the record.

i know that doesn't make sense because im voting them, but this is entirely and purely a case of gamma, in my eyes, being town by play, but a lynch by mechanic. gamma's unlynchable claim is basically something i will always want to hard check in any game. i think gamma is bluffing/lying at best, lying at worst. he either gets lynched and flips scum for lying, or is actually unlynchable, in which case he isn't lying and we get a free night for all of us to be productive and use investigatives and hoods to catch scum. it's the play for today.

[Maid Cafe]

maid is a bit mia with both habing a few problems sorry

[Reasonably Rational]

@Venmar: given the fact that this games ruleset changes, as well as roles, if his slot *doesnt* prevent the nk, or, hell, gives scum some additional benefit(s) in addition to not being lynched, it just means they've maximized the utility of the role by letting it activate during the one day it could activate.

It's not mechanically optimal in any situation where scum gain more benefit from it than town.

-Cerb

[Skybird]

@Icon, Skybird: Are you still in a PT with one another? More specifically, did the PT from D1 persist, and if not, was it replaced by a new PT/a PT with a new origin today?

-Cerb

We are in a PT together, but it's not the same one from D1. That PT is closed.

[Reasonably Rational]

Would the new origin have allowed SD to be part of your PT?

As in, is it explicit that just you two would have been in it? Or do you just have access to a PT without knowledge of who the membership could be?

-Cerb

[Skybird]

This hood is only for me and Icon and is part of our roles in this plane.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Varsoon are roles randed as a set or are they randed each time a new flavor is done?

[Reasonably Rational]

Thanks Skybird. Just considering what the game state would be like if SD were alive right now, alignment unknown, and ejected from your PT, since that was more likely than what ended up happening, and since these roles were created after alignment was, the way he expected us to react would be something he'd at least attempt too account for.

No conclusions, but valuable data.

-Cerb

[Varsoon]

@Varsoon are roles randed as a set or are they randed each time a new flavor is done?

For Magic the Gathering Mafia, all the roles in the game were created to suit a player's color choices.
All other roles were created after the Magic the Gather Mafia roles were created and alignments were decided; these roles were created with the Magic the Gathering roles/alignments in mind.
In this way, all role distribution was handled as of game start.

[Bronya Zaychik]

I'd lynch Ico but the game dying after our callout is relevant.

~Titus

[Purple Heart]

also, lynch me if you guys dare

im sitting perplexed tbh. i dont have the energy nor the fucks to read taly's walls. i can respond to direct and concise questions but other than that it is what it is

Sigh... I'm one of the few people in this game trying to progress the gamestate, and this is the type of response I'm getting from multiple people.

Cool.

But, since you're better with the bullet questions like

Gamma

...

im actually also still townreading gamma, for the record.

i know that doesn't make sense because im voting them, but this is entirely and purely a case of gamma, in my eyes, being town by play, but a lynch by mechanic. gamma's unlynchable claim is basically something i will always want to hard check in any game. i think gamma is bluffing/lying at best, lying at worst. he either gets lynched and flips scum for lying, or is actually unlynchable, in which case he isn't lying and we get a free night for all of us to be productive and use investigatives and hoods to catch scum. it's the play for today.

1)

Why are you voting to lynch a townread? ....Even if it's to test a claim or lynch a potential scum candidate. I don't get it.

2)

Plus, if you actually townread

Gamma

, why are you proposing that he could be lying, or stating the possibility that he could flip scum? Like, this doesn't ring to me as consistent in thought process.

3)

Why is it good to lynch someone who's potentially lynchproof? That may end in no flip, no theme except for a possible change in route, which fucking sucks, and people's reads will not likely change right now because the gamestate's stagnated. Plus, a handful of us don't have investigative to use, unless

Alisae

and I were singled out.

4)

Speaking of that, do you have an investigative ability? How do you feel about

Maid Cafe's

unouted guilties and

Gamma's

'reasoning' for tracking people?

@Venmar: given the fact that this games ruleset changes, as well as roles, if his slot *doesnt* prevent the nk, or, hell, gives scum some additional benefit(s) in addition to not being lynched, it just means they've maximized the utility of the role by letting it activate during the one day it could activate.

It's not mechanically optimal in any situation where scum gain more benefit from it than town.

-Cerb

I don't think this assessment evaluates the full picture. ...I read this, and I literally learned nothing about your thoughts toward the

Gamma

lynchproof claim and lynch.

I don't believe town has easy access information to other player's information like scum do as a team. So the point of prolonging this theme by entertaining a potentially fruitless lynch path serves little but to reset the day, and give power to a select group of people who can act at night. In this context, town as whole, learns little if anything on an individual level, and the scumteam has a possible agenda that could be filled via time and night action.

Essentially, while mechanically, this may not benefit either town or scum more; I don't think it's protown to just say:

"Let's drop everything we've already learned and pushed for just to policy lynch the lynchproof claim! Hehehe!"

Especially

when the lynchproof ability will most likely be changed in the next dayphase, but that can't happen without a successful lynch first.

It's not logistically helpful play for town, specifically in a theme where the power balance alternates.

~ Taly

[Creature]

I thought we were supposed to lynch scum.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Taly: generally, if I take the time to explain why someone else's reason for thinking something is a good idea aren't correct, without adding in a caveat about benefits or expressing uncertainty about doing it, it means I'm opposed to their idea.

So no, I don't think lynching gamma to test his claim is a good idea. If we actually think his claim is worth testing, that is, that there is a preponderance of evidence in favor of him lying about this, and thus scum, or simply scum for other reasons, we can just lynch him on another day, when we could expect him to die.

Also, creating interaction maps without analysis and conclusions does not actually progress the game state. It REITERATES the game state, and gives people a tool which they can use to review how you no interpret things, but the conclusions you draw from each post(namely, this is a positive interaction or negative interaction) are too simple to justify going back and actually reading through them, at least without the valuable notations included such as questioning WHY someone's interactions went from hard positive to hard negative.

Taly, can you please answer my sky/icon question?

-Cerb

[Purple Heart]

Also, creating interaction maps without analysis and conclusions does not actually progress the game state. It REITERATES the game state, and gives people a tool which they can use to review how you no interpret things, but the conclusions you draw from each post(namely, this is a positive interaction or negative interaction) are too simple to justify going back and actually reading through them, at least without the valuable notations included such as questioning WHY someone's interactions went from hard positive to hard negative.

in Taly's defense, I told him to do the maps so I could do this.
~Ali

[Dunnstral]

I feel as though

Maid Cafe

is

aligned with the town

[Creature]

Sure

[Creature]

What's our townblock again?

[Creature]

Did Almost50 do anything protown?

[Purple Heart]

I feel as though

Maid Cafe

is

aligned with the town

Why are you saying this like a cop inno when it's like
common knowledge?
lol
in the words of taly
"ecks dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee"

--

What's our townblock again?

Me, Maid Cafe, Titus/Kiana, Chara, You, RR, Skyburd.
~Ali