Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[Scioness Sajj]

I will vote with explanation later today or early tomorrow. I think that's it.

Why are you so hesitant to drop a vote?

I have no clue why you read that as me being hesitant. I have made my mind and I want to drop the vote with a case, this is me making an announcement that should give you an idea on what to expect from me.

[Scioness Sajj]

I would also like to see more content from NSG.

I don't see anywhere better to place my vote right now.

I would like to make it crystal clear that I am not advocating for a quick lynch, a lolhammer, someone to post intent to hammer, or NSG to feel even minor agita as a result of these votes. In fact, it might be better for the game if we just remove the voting mechanism entirely.~~~~~~

VOTE: NSG

Why are you votng your null read over your scumlean Drixx and possible scum!skitter?

[ofrhz]

I will vote with explanation later today or early tomorrow. I think that's it.

Why are you so hesitant to drop a vote?

I have no clue why you read that as me being hesitant. I have made my mind and I want to drop the vote with a case, this is me making an announcement that should give you an idea on what to expect from me.

1. You haven't voted since 522 which was 10 pages ago.
2. You can drop a vote and make the case later.
--> hesitant

[ofrhz]

{ofrhz, Oxy}
{eth0s, SS}
{Drixx, pin}
{NSG, skitter}
{}

Why do you find Drixx less scummy than NSG and skitter?

That isn't exactly my read on oxy. My read is more: a lot of LAMIST behavior; building a townbloc in a way that feels artificial to me; what appeared to me to be trying to push a lynch on an inactive player; possibly trying to pocket people.

This is fair. Tbh I'm townreading you.

UNVOTE:

At this point, Drixx and NSG are my top two lynch priorities. I'm just kind of confused why NSG is preferred over Drixx. At least nsg gave a readlist. Drixx has so far only talked about one person, which is seriously detrimental going into the next day of the game. Maybe two people if you count his reaction test on me.

[northsidegal]

as far as i understand i'm being scumread largely because of a perceived lack of effort or engagement with the game.

i'd like to talk about that generally for a moment before perhaps speaking to people individually – to begin with, effort is not alignment-indicative. it isn't true as a general principle that scum puts less effort into the game than town does – in fact, the pressure of being scum and having to avoid getting lynched typically points to the opposite, that scum will be the ones putting in more effort to ensure that the exact situation that's happening right now doesn't happen to them, and to give the appearance of gamesolving.

further than that, i think that people are pointing out that i haven't made much of an impact and making the conclusion that that means that i haven't put in any effort. i don't think that's a valid connection to make. i think i've made very clear efforts to engage with the game – a game that, as eth0s said when replacing out – is actually pretty hard to get into. like, this is a newbie game that looks like a game back from 2009 where the meta was that players wallposted back and forth with each other. I didn't and still don't think that trying to read all of the walls and insert myself into those conversations is a productive use of time – as i made clear in my readslist and in my conversation with Scioness, what i intended to do was to get a feeling for the game and then go from there.

What's ended up happening, however, has been that my efforts have been largely snubbed or ignored. I didn't want to get too indignant with Scioness because i understand where she's coming from, but i was serious. I read much of the thread, did some ISOs and got a feel for where my reads were, and then I used that as a starting point, inviting people to conversation regarding my reads. Well, the result of that was me getting ignored and now people saying that i haven't made any effort – that just isn't true. I have made efforts to reach out in this game – nobody has reached out to

me

, which makes it slightly difficult to do anything exactly when replacing into a game such as this.


Do all of you understand that eth0s had the exact same problem that i'm having right now? I just realized this and it's actually making me reconsider my scumread there because i don't think scum would replace out like this especially given that he wasn't under sort of pressure. It seems as if you all expect me to be "in" on the conversations that you've been having since the beginning of the game, and i'm not sure why.

So in a game where:
1. It's incredibly hard to get into
2. People don't engage me on my efforts to get into the game
3. I'm modding two games at the same time
4. I'm playing in very few mafia games currently as opposed to when i was addicted to this game and playing in 7 to 11 games simultaneously

it gets a little annoying to get scumread for "not doing anything".


[/rant]

[northsidegal]

by the way, this experience has only reinforced the stereotype of "try to give IC advice in a newbie game and get scumread for it". My comment on not enough people voting was an attempt at giving IC advice like that.

[Drixx]

I hope everyone had a good holiday or at least good days while other people were celebrating holidays. I got home last night and promptly went to sleep and didn't wake up until a half hour ago. And I got prodded. Which is really bad. We'll try and avoid that going forward.

I see not much as far as quantity. Let's see about the quality. I'm not holding my breath with just the skimming tho.

[northsidegal]

Can you explain your vote?

i have explained my scumread on oxy previously. if you have any questions or would like clarification then just ask.

Oxy points out that the end of D1 is not so far away and proposes plan to pressure people who haven't posted much.
Oxy gets scum read for his plan, but no other ideas for pressuring inactive players is put forward.

hey, i know the feeling.

I don't really feel like NSG is scum-hunting.

I kinda feel like she comes in a couple of hours after someone mentions that she isn't contributing and makes a post or two

, but her posts aren't really game advancing. I don't really feel like she's trying to find scum so much as going through the motions of participating in the game.

Like she's just kinda here whenever someone mentions that she hasn't been

, but her content feels kinda ... empty. Idk how to explain that better.

(bolding mine)

if you are implying some sort of causal relationship between people mentioning me not being here and me posting, it does not exist.

NSG first tried to get others to vote in 716. After that, she jumped on the Oxy wagon herself. Her timing seems opportunistic to me.

what about the timing is opportunistic to you? oxy has been my top scumread since i entered into this game – would there have been a

less

opportunistic time to vote him?

, ruru"]{ofrhz, Oxy}
{eth0s, SS}
{Drixx, pin}
{NSG, skitter}
{}

could you explain your townread on oxy?

[northsidegal]

I would also like to see more content from NSG. I don't see anywhere better to place my vote right now. I would like to make it crystal clear that I am not advocating for a quick lynch, a lolhammer, someone to post intent to hammer, or NSG to feel even minor agita as a result of these votes. In fact, it might be better for the game if we just remove the voting mechanism entirely.~~~~~~

VOTE: NSG

with two days left on deadline (not counting any sort of extension from a replacement), what's your plan for what this vote'll be doing? you say you don't intend for anyone to post intent, but do you plan on moving it before hammer? and to where? who's your top scumread at the moment?

[Drixx]

@Oxy - I'm going to just be really honest. If you have pressing questions you want me to answer, it would be cool if you just re-stated them. I can honestly say I have read every post in the game. I cannot honestly say I even remember the questions you are referring to or what reasons I didn't add them to multi-quote and answer.

Given that I am on the edge of being a compromise day one lynch, mostly because I'm not posting nearly as much as normal, it seems to me that it would be best if I said as much of potential use as I can before that potentially happens.

[northsidegal]

hm, drixx seems to be going through the same thing that eth0s and i have experienced.

[pinturicchio]

hm, drixx seems to be going through the same thing that eth0s and i have experienced.

Who do you townread the most because of this, eth0s or Drixx? Because eth0s gave a lot of content before asking to be replaced, unlike Drixx, so I don't think they were going through the same thing.

[Drixx]

I'm not sure of that. I don't have any "go to" strategy for getting into a game. I read the game and think about the posts and at some point I'm into the game and going. Every so often I never really feel like I get into it. I am assuming right now that this one is just how busy I was through yesterday. I mean ... I was so busy that once I was home and done the last thing I went to sleep for like 20 hours. That's crazy.

[northsidegal]

hm, drixx seems to be going through the same thing that eth0s and i have experienced.

Who do you townread the most because of this, eth0s or Drixx? Because eth0s gave a lot of content before asking to be replaced, unlike Drixx, so I don't think they were going through the same thing.

the relation between being pretty much shut out of the game and alignment is something that i was considering. for eth0s i get a distinctly towny vibe from the replace out, but for drixx it's just an observation moreso than anything else.

[northsidegal]

the relation between being pretty much shut out of the game and alignment is something that i was considering. for eth0s i get a distinctly towny vibe from the replace out, but for drixx it's just an observation moreso than anything else.

just an observation, which is to say that it doesn't really affect my null read there.

(if that wasn't clear).

[Scioness Sajj]

Alright, the holidays are official over for me now.

I'm sorry NSG, didn't mean to upset you. Like I have said in 695, I didn't want to engage with you mostly because I have gave all less active player a pass to day 2. I was, still am, focused on getting the best lynch for today. If you are not giving me fresh new pov with your reads than I'm not really interested. Eth0s and Drixx promised content and I was waiting for that, I thought that engaging you on things that read null to me would only add to confusion and result in last minute lynch.

Also, if you tell me how not to post walls I will stop. It feels like if I don't post walls people don't understand what I am saying so idk

somebody please teach me english lol

[Scioness Sajj]

Drixx, are you writing explanation for those reaction tests you have posted ealier?

[Scioness Sajj]

I will vote with explanation later today or early tomorrow. I think that's it.

Why are you so hesitant to drop a vote?

I have no clue why you read that as me being hesitant. I have made my mind and I want to drop the vote with a case, this is me making an announcement that should give you an idea on what to expect from me.

1. You haven't voted since 522 which was 10 pages ago.
2. You can drop a vote and make the case later.
--> hesitant

1. I didn't becuase I didn't see a reason to vote anybody. 2. I could but I do like to make cases with votes, so I do so.
I have a vote and I used it as I see fit. Still don't see how that's hesitant on my part.

[Drixx]

Drixx, are you writing explanation for those

reaction tests

you have posted ealier?

That's an oversimplification. I didn't describe those posts as just being reaction tests. I said the way I phrased them was intentional. They shouldn't be discarded as their own thing.

[Scioness Sajj]

Alright, my bad. I remember you saying that you wanted to see reactions to those posts and would explain when you catch up with the game, hence reaction tests.

Just wanted to know if you are busy catching up/doing other things. I'm peacfully engaging you, please answer.

[northsidegal]

Alright, the holidays are official over for me now.

I'm sorry NSG, didn't mean to upset you. Like I have said in 695, I didn't want to engage with you mostly because I have gave all less active player a pass to day 2. I was, still am, focused on getting the best lynch for today. If you are not giving me fresh new pov with your reads than I'm not really interested. Eth0s and Drixx promised content and I was waiting for that, I thought that engaging you on things that read null to me would only add to confusion and result in last minute lynch.

it's fine, i'm not too broken up about it. i understand that my viewpoints on the game are relatively uncomplicated compared to the people who have been here from the start – i just need a good starting point so that i can actually start having more nuanced thoughts.

so, for example, who's your top scumread right now? from 762 i get that you're waiting to place a vote with your case on someone – why delay specifically for something so composed as opposed to just sharing your thoughts?

Also, if you tell me how not to post walls I will stop. It feels like if I don't post walls people don't understand what I am saying so idk

somebody please teach me english lol

(would you actually like compositional advice? i started typing some but i don't want to come across as condescending)

[Drixx]

Alright, my bad. I remember you saying that you wanted to see reactions to those posts and would explain when you catch up with the game, hence reaction tests.

Just wanted to know if you are busy catching up/doing other things. I'm peacfully engaging you, please answer.

I made some notes on how each slot reacted. I'm thinking about what I can conclude from that. I'm also thinking about whether it's wise or unwise to explore that with so little time left in the day. I don't particularly want to eat rope today, but I'm not going to muddy up the game just to muddy up the game.

And if I thought you were being adversarial (in a way beyond what the game's rhetoric calls for) I'd say so. I'm not shy.

[Oxy]

I would also like to see more content from NSG.

I don't see anywhere better to place my vote right now.

I would like to make it crystal clear that I am not advocating for a quick lynch, a lolhammer, someone to post intent to hammer, or NSG to feel even minor agita as a result of these votes. In fact, it might be better for the game if we just remove the voting mechanism entirely.~~~~~~

VOTE: NSG

Why are you votng your null read over your scumlean Drixx and possible scum!skitter?

I think we're going to get another extension because we're about to need a replacement for eth0s. With the extra time, I want to see more content from NSG. I said that with the vote.

[Oxy]

I would also like to see more content from NSG. I don't see anywhere better to place my vote right now.

I would like to make it crystal clear that I am not advocating for a quick lynch, a lolhammer, someone to post intent to hammer, or NSG to feel even minor agita as a result of these votes. In fact, it might be better for the game if we just remove the voting mechanism entirely.~~~~~~

VOTE: NSG

with two days left on deadline (not counting any sort of extension from a replacement), what's your plan for what this vote'll be doing? you say you don't intend for anyone to post intent, but do you plan on moving it before hammer? and to where? who's your top scumread at the moment?

Everything after the bolded is a snarky comment referencing the last time my vote followed Skitter's, and the action since.

[northsidegal]

I think we're going to get another extension because we're about to need a replacement for eth0s. With the extra time,

I want to see more content from NSG

. I said that with the vote.

is there some sort of post or word quota that you'd like me to meet or is there something insufficient for a read or engagement in what i've posted so far?