Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[pinturicchio]

Happy 1000 posts on long ass D1!

[Oxy]

pin what is your preferred lynch order today, again?

[Oxy]

@ofrhz @ruru @mathdino
I think skitter is most likely to flip scum. I think drixx is second most likely. I'm not sure what to think about skitter vs. drixx, but I'm pretty sure I'm okay lynching either. I'll be around tomorrow afternoon/evening and then not until after deadline.


@thevoid If dino is scum, partner is likely within {ofrhz, pin, nsg}. If he's town, today's lynch should be in {drixx, skitter30}

[Mathdino]

i'll do a metadive on skitter tomorrow and see if i can find something

also if i ever rolled scum with NSG, correct play is to bus her

she's the single player i have the longest track record of reading correctly; misreading her would be almost suicidal

pintu on the other hand is completely dependent on NSG's read on him and that one random post i quoted

[ruru]

I'm townleaning Mathdino.

I think skitter is probably a better lynch than Drixx.

I don't like that SS didn't answer 850, and said she doesn't want to talk about me anymore. If SS is scum then Drixx and skitter are probably town and it kind of makes me unsure about lynching either of them now.

-> I don't think scioness starts a push on her partner with like 48 hours left in the phase when she isn't going to be around for the rest of the phase

Beyond that, I think that if there's scum in {scioness/oxy} ruru is a good place to look for a partner since she was kinda trying to avoid that 1v1 and direct it elsewhere.

?????

About the error in 850, I meant 463.

[pinturicchio]

pin what is your preferred lynch order today, again?

Skitter
Ruru or Scioness
Drixx

In that order. Drixx is the only one I would be surprised if flipped scum as I'm pretty much convinced that both scums are into the other three, but I'm trusting other reads more than mine about him. The only obv!town for me are you and ofrhz, and you being obv!town confirms even more that Skitter is just trying to make one last attempt to save herself by saying you are scum.

[Assemblerotws]

Vote Count 1.15

skitter30 [2]:

pinturicchio, Oxy

Oxy [2]:

Drixx, northsidegal

northsidegal [1]:

ruru

ruru [1]:

Scioness Sajj

drixx [1]:

skitter30

Not Voting [2]:

ofrhz, Mathdino

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2018-04-05 09:00:00) on

April 5, 2018

.

[skitter30]

@ruru, 1004 - Yeah I was looking at that and thought I was missing something. Scioness/ruru doesn't make sense to me, but if scum!oxy then I think you're a potential partner cuz of your eth0s vote.

Basically I just want to make sure people have a chance to respond before they get lynched for not posting because I don't think that's inherently AI; on principle I don't/won't lynch people who aren't here with like a week left on the clock. If it had spread out over three days, the person in question would have presumably checked in at some point like seen that people want them to post something. If they checked in and acknowledged people but ignored the pressure I think that's worth pursuing. Imposing a deadline but the person doesn't check in at all over three days is indicative of site-flaking to me and isn't an inherently lynchable offense to me, even though I think it's anti-town. Like I don't lynch slots for site-flaking even though I don't like it. So like if that wagon had built over three days but drixx didn't log in at all I would have made sure he was getting prodded etc, but like I wouldn't support a lynch on him for that.

@pin, 1005 - I don't get why you're townreading drixx. And like, I keep on saying I scumread oxy cuz he's scummy to me. And like how would me persisting in saying that he's scummy despite great resistance help me not get lynched exactly? IE I don't understand the connection you're drawing between 'me saying oxy is scummy' and 'saving myself from getting lynched'.

[Drixx]

Drixx, considering that your vote is on me, and that I had twice the interactions with/about everyone than anyone else in this thread, how the fuck is your lynchpool {Skitter, Drixx}

It's a quirk of my personal playstyle. I don't generally move my vote around much. When I vote it is accompanied with reasons. If I later move on I generally don't unvote. I've just been playing that way for like 10 years and I don't even think about it anymore.

[pinturicchio]

@ruru, 1004
@pin, 1005 - I don't get why you're townreading drixx. And like, I keep on saying I scumread oxy cuz he's scummy to me. And like how would me persisting in saying that he's scummy despite great resistance help me not get lynched exactly? IE I don't understand the connection you're drawing between 'me saying oxy is scummy' and 'saving myself from getting lynched'.

Skitter for real, don't make me repeat the same things I have already stated. I said I don't believe Drixx is scum because I think scum is between you, ruru and Scioness, and bot you and ruru pushed for a Drixx lynch and you panicking makes me believe you knew it was a mislynch.

About your read on Oxy, I think you're trying to town it up by scumreading a player who has been townread by many; "scum would try to deviate attention to another mislynchable player; instead, I'm going to stick to my read on the townie player so they don't see any inconsistency"

[Oxy]

responding to things

wow, and pedited by a huge wall

just kidding, don't want to read anything except maybe this page

I'd love to hear your thoughts on things and stuff if you're around at all today.

[northsidegal]

wow, it's actually unfortunate that i decided to check the thread right after that post was made

makes me look like like the thing skitter accused me of

whatever, if i was scum i would just lurk it out another hour or so and then post this

so, scioness is town. pinturicchio is probably town, so is scioness. i'm fine with beliving mathdino is town for now, so me try this creature style:

pinturicchio

Oxy

northsidegal

ruru

Scioness Sajj

ofrhz

Mathdino

skitter30
Drixx

That leaves {Oxy, ruru, ofhrz, skitter30, Drixx}. going into my weaker townreads another step would eliminate oxy and ofhrz (sheeping other people on the oxy read, yeah i know i changed my mind, i never had much that was solid in the first place.)

Leaves {ruru, skitter30, Drixx}. i'm gonna spend some time rereading seeing if any of the teams formed from these three seem impossible or even unlikely – that's why i've done it in steps like this. if i find that things don't make sense at the current level then i move back up and reconsider the reads that got me here.

[northsidegal]

My introduction to mafia was IRL mafia in a certain circle of what I think were fairly experienced players. I had never played or seen the game played before, and I was majoring in math, so my playstyle was pretty strange. I played two games with them; in the first I rolled mafia and the second I rolled VT. In both games I claimed mafia with a villainous grin on day 1, because I thought I may as well explore weird options to balance myself (in the poker/game theory sense), because I didn't think I could pull off mafia when I rolled it unless I always acted scummy and I didn't want people to be reading me. (I also got lynched on day 1 in both games and never played mafia again with that group.)

how much forum experience do you have?

[ruru]

This is my first forum game. I read a few games on another site but all the players there were scary.

[ruru]

Okay whatever, if I'm wrong I'm wrong.

VOTE: skitter30

I'll be here for a bit but not super late tonight if anyone (NSG?) has some last minute insights on why I should vote someone else

[northsidegal]

probably nothing on why it should be anyone else

[Oxy]

hey sorry I asked you that question and then disappeared for an hour? Did you find anything?

not super pressing thoughts on the game

Spoiler:

This isn't super related to the vote coming up, but here's where my head has been at:
I was thinking about the vote count prior to mathdino's entrance, and I would not be at all surprised if there is exactly one in mathdino, drixx, nsg (the three people who had votes on me at the time) and exactly one between skitter, pin, sajj.

Taking reads into account, that leaves, drixx + skitter, pin.
Drixx + Pin would make the whole, "I'm going to make a case on drixx" "Actually, nm, that was a reaction test" thing Pin make sense to me
Drixx + skitter would make sense in ruru's "panicked skitter" narrative. Looking back at the unvote itself, I wonder if her showing her thought process wasn't scum!skitter worried about having such a fast vote/unvote. Haven't mentioned it because it's as likely different styles of posting than it is a scum slip, but I just see myself posting my final conclusion rather than a line by line walk through of the process.

I don't think he's been super obviously scummy here and I don't want him to be lynched before he has a chance to talk. If someone put him at L-1 and someone gave intent to hammer before he said anything I'd unvote cuz I'm not really convinced he's scum atm and I definitely want to hear from him before he gets lynched.

p-edit:

Yeah I'm going to unvote if someone posts intent. I don't want him to be lynched before he can talk.

Also I'm kinda suspicous of how fast this wagon formed with like no resistance.

I also kinda feel like oxy almost wants this hammer to happen?

Actually UNVOTE:

I don't remember anything that makes pin + skitter specifically impossible, except maybe their interaction yesterday over pin's vote?
I remember saying earlier that scioness + eth0s was unlikely. I don't remember why but I remember feeling pretty solid about it.
I remember seeing some frustration in posts from ofrhz and ruru when going back and forth that make me think they aren't a pair.
scioness + skitter isn't out of the question. There have been a couple of interactions that I could see coming from a scum team, specifically the one where skitter asked sajj about english being her first language, the request by sajj to be lynched instead of skitter if need be, the timing of sajj announcing that she was going to make a case on me and skitter beginning to scum read me.
Drixx + Sajj also seems possible with that odd interaction I pointed out last night between them.

[Oxy]

ebwop:

I remember seeing some frustration in posts from ofrhz and ruru when going back and forth

with scioness sajj

that make me think they aren't a pair

with scioness sajj

.

[Oxy]

@ofrhz I'm with you that a skitter green flip doesn't give a ton of info, though i don't think it gives none. I think if skitter flipped green, I'd look harder at Pin, nsg, mathdino, and less hard at drixx. I'm not actually confident in that conclusion, however.

[pinturicchio]

@ofrhz I'm with you that a skitter green flip doesn't give a ton of info, though i don't think it gives none. I think if skitter flipped green, I'd look harder at Pin, nsg, mathdino, and less hard at drixx. I'm not actually confident in that conclusion, however.

Do you believe that you would be less suspicious than me if skitter flipped green? Theoretically speaking, as I believe you would still be town, but I don't see why you are suspecting me among others, other than simple bad PoE.

[Oxy]

@pinturicchio No, I'd still be 100% town from my pov. Ya my man, my read on you is 98% poe + 1%your tendency to wild conspiracy theories that is probably nai +1% i haven't identified a solid town tell in your game (also nai). Is that bad?

[pinturicchio]

@pinturicchio No, I'd still be 100% town from my pov. Ya my man, my read on you is 98% poe + 1%your tendency to wild conspiracy theories that is probably nai +1% i haven't identified a solid town tell in your game (also nai). Is that bad?

Lol of course you are town from you PoV, I meant from anyone else's PoV. I'm quiet ok with you scumreading me just because of PoE because that's probably the best way to get scum and you don't give me a chance to defend myself so I don't have much to say about it, but in a world where skitter is town, I would wait for the nightkill before speculating who would I go after. I only know what would I do if skitter flips scum: tunnel the sh*t out of ruru after that lame "fuck it if I'm wrong I'm wrong vote". I'm actually considering voting ruru now if anyone else joins that wagon, but we have 13 hours left and I'm not a fan of a no lynch today.

[ofrhz]

@pin - skitter never pushed for a drixx lynch. I don't want to speculate the motivation behind skitter's unvote, but I don't see scum skitter.

yeah I'm jumping back on this wagon with 13 hours left lmao
VOTE: ruruVOTE:

[ofrhz]

VOTE: ruru

[Oxy]

I would compromise and go with a drixx lynch today, but you'll have to lynch ruru without me.