Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[northsidegal]

- my read on oxy: please point out to me why it's bad if it's bad

- same thing with read on ruru i guess

what are these reads?

[Mathdino]

is your townread on skitter truly enough that you'd bring her to endgame? that's the keystone question.

i just

don't see myself scumreading her tomorrow or the day after except on rock solid PoE if she continues playing like this

so beyond "it's mechanically awful to lynch her later on if not today"

i literally don't see myself being willing to lynch her after today if i'm not even willing to make the mechanically correct call

that's why i'm asking you to evaluate that read

[Mathdino]

- my read on oxy: please point out to me why it's bad if it's bad

- same thing with read on ruru i guess

what are these reads?

hardtown on both

here's an example

I just read Mathdino's article about the power of sheeping reads, and I'm choosing to sheep his NSG read here since I currently still have a null read on her.

Wow this really appeals to me

Inb4 LAMIST lol

I could get down with the above reads list if I agree with the ruru and ofhrsxy5efgz read

I'm currently in turn sheeping the pintu read

Skitter scum seems consistent yeah

Oxy has been beaten up about every goddamn post he makes by one of the strongest players in this game (if not THE strongest if we take into account scum skill) on one tell: LAMIST.

That every post he makes seems designed to pull townreads. And I largely agree with this; he's fucking awkward at times. Reminds me of my early games.

Telling me right after I replace in "Oh I read your article on townplay btw! I thought it was good so I'm going to sheep you!" is one of the most hilariously appealing things I've ever been told ingame. Ignoring WIFOM, there's the obvious case that it's town because why the fuck would he go way out of his way to read my townplay article (which is linked as referring to townplay in my sig) as scum? Wouldn't he rather read the scumplay articles I've been editing on the wiki?

But beyond that; how the fuck does scum-him not realise that half the game thinks he's the most LAMISTy fuck they've ever played with, and start to tone that shit down? How does his scumbuddy not tell him to tone it down a bit?

I literally read through skitter's ISO seeing things like "I'm glad you responded but you STILL FEEL LAMISTY WTF".

Oxy is CLEARLY a good player. Does scum-him decide to go overboard here?

[Oxy]

so... i'm so townie, that I'm actually so scummy, that I must be town. I. Love. It.

[Mathdino]

have you done the thing yet where SEs and ICs ask you about your mafia experience and you tell us all about that other forum that you're on

cuz this is obviously not the first time you've played mafia and my profile of what is and isn't in your scumrange is basically going off of a gut-based psychoanalysis

[Oxy]

hold on i'll find you the post

[Oxy]

It was ambiguous. You are right about that.
Town in general. I've only read one of your games.
I played a lot of mafia in high school during study hall. Those games weren't very high skill. I've been watching DailyMafia and mafia all stars on twitch for a number of years now, on and off. I've also been reading games on mafiascum, very on and off, for that same period. I've always wanted to play, but I've never had remotely enough time to actually play one. I've read a few games on other sites, those forum mafia championship things they ran (still run?). I've always felt lost and bewildered reading fast day phase games, so I never tried playing.

[Oxy]

Honestly, I just don't see why explicitly stating pro town actions that you plan on taking, and then following through on those actions is lame.

[Mathdino]

okay i finally got around to reading apparently important events such as:

1. The skitter30 vs Oxy shitshow.

I think this is TvT. Both of these scumreads on each other seem more based around paranoia of each other being ZOMGAmazing at scum than actual scum-indicative thought processes. skitter's unvote off Drixx was fine, and is exactly what I'd expect from town-skitter. Unless Drixx is literally her scumpartner, skitter was not in a place to be blamed for Drixx getting lynched.

In fact, I would argue that BECAUSE skitter30 is good at scum, that unvote is townish. She must know she's the endgame scum in this playerlist, and Drixx lynch would be 100% blamed on the hammerer, ruru's naked vote, and Oxy's "asking for the hammer to happen". If she's scum, she passed up a great opportunity to get a lynch through on the IC. I don't think an RC-coached scum does something like that, then putting herself in this hilarious position of "you should lynch me instead of No Lynch".

So start fucking working together thanks.

2. The Scioness vs Oxy shitshow.

In digging around (still not fully reading) Scion's and Oxy's ISOs, I actually kinda like Oxy's case on her and really fucking hate Scion's case on Oxy.

idk not much more to say
but i do think scioness would've been the correct lynch if it wasn't like a few hours to deadline

3. The Drixx wagon

Already talked about skitter's unvote. Oxy's behaviour roughly makes sense. I think if that wagon is scum motivated, it's pretty clear the scumteam is in {ofhraezfrheioshz, ruru, Scioness} (matching my PoE), with one sketchy-ass vote on the wagon, and one scum offwagon.

[Mathdino]

Honestly, I just don't see why explicitly stating pro town actions that you plan on taking, and then following through on those actions is lame.

you do know the difference between "lame" and LAMIST right

like i know you know the difference

[Oxy]

okay but it's clearly meant to sound like "lame"

[Mathdino]

holy balls this is your first forum mafia game?

ok

To those who are scumreading Oxy

:

Oxy is either town or fucking lying and playing the "this is totally my first game" card. Which, granted, I've seen scum do in newbies (skitter30 did it, and I lynched scum doing it).

You're all good players and all
but you're also all bad for scumreading this shit.
LAMIST is NOT a scumtell for newbies. It's something newbtown do and then get conditioned not to do because people get annoyed at them for it and mislynch them.

Edit: it's not meant to sound like anything

[ofrhz]

Already talked about skitter's unvote. Oxy's behaviour roughly makes sense. I think if that wagon is scum motivated, it's pretty clear the scumteam is in {ofhraezfrheioshz, ruru, Scioness} (matching my PoE), with one sketchy-ass vote on the wagon, and one scum offwagon.

so i think you've made a mistake here unless you really think ruru + scioness is a possible scumteam. because from my pov, this is what you're suggesting.

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[ofrhz]

oh I didn't read the "if" qualifier lol

[Mathdino]

i'm gonna be upset if you don't stick around on this site tbh regardless of alignment

if you're up for a second game with a pretty good yet also almost 100% newbie playerlist, i'm running an Open game (signup's in my sig)

regardless, couple things (because if you're scum you're definitely lying)

1. You roll scum in your first forum mafia game, and not with the IC. What's your scum strategy? Scum in first game is rough.

2. What articles have you read on scumplay?

[Mathdino]

^this is at Oxy

[Mathdino]

Already talked about skitter's unvote. Oxy's behaviour roughly makes sense. I think if that wagon is scum motivated, it's pretty clear the scumteam is in {ofhraezfrheioshz, ruru, Scioness} (matching my PoE), with one sketchy-ass vote on the wagon, and one scum offwagon.

so i think you've made a mistake here unless you really think ruru + scioness is a possible scumteam. because from my pov, this is what you're suggesting.

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i haven't read enough of ruru and scioness to have an opinion on that

talk to me about what i'm wrong about though

[Oxy]

1. I'm not saying a word for the first 24 hours, then I'm picking a town read to try and pocket while throwing light shade on a few people and hoping to out bullshit whoever i eventually end up 1v1'ing. I have no idea. I've spent years observing and trying to scumhunt and trying to figure out how people ever read Ramza on daily mafia. I think I hope to be good at it though. I love bullshitting.
2. Uh, I probably read whatever the basic one was a few years back when I first found the wiki here. I heard a mathdino wrote something there recently, and I plan on checking it out before my first scum game.

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Drixx

drixx never gets nightkilled, i'm good with this

i just don't see anything to townread in his ISO

[Mathdino]

2. Uh, I probably read whatever the basic one was a few years back when I first found the wiki here. I heard a mathdino wrote something there recently, and I plan on checking it out before my first scum game.

where did you hear this idea?

[ofrhz]

Scioness voted ruru when ruru wasn't really at the top of anyone's hit list except mine (and I wasn't voting ruru at the time, in fact I had just unvoted ruru). That's an incredibly risky thing to do for scum to throw their partner under the bus out of the blue like that. And earlier today, Scioness said she still wants to focus ruru on D2, so I'm thinking this focus isn't just for show.

[Oxy]

you just said it? in your read on me before you decided you liked my read on your read on me

[ofrhz]

Ofc, I expect everyone to focus ruru D2

[Mathdino]

WAIT FUCKING LOL OXY JUST TOWNSLIPPED

okay game on lock, pending my confidence in my NSG read

Edit: i never wrote an article on scumplay, that was me embellishing
i just edited categories into them
there's no universe in which oxy-scum doesn't immediately go check that shit out guys

oxy stronger townread than both skitter and NSG

[Oxy]

i feel like i've been townslipping all game but how did i town slip now