VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Reasonably Rational]

So, anybody have any thoughts on why nobody(but me, and Chara, who will hopefully be IC soon) has fought the idea of A50 scum? It makes me leery that scum are just accepting this if it's true. :-/

-Cerb

I'm wondering the same thing about Chara, why nobody is opposing the completion of the puzzles.

Too suspicious perhaps? Clearly displayed agreement that these puzzles should be completed by anyone before the day ends should make it clear to scum that they can't really do anything about it without outing themselves?

The other alternative is scum Chara, but I can't think of any benefit this could give a scum team that's worth outing one of their members(particularly one that's widely townread).

-Verizon

[Reasonably Rational]

I'm amazed that my name auto corrected to frigging Verizon.

-Cerb

[Iconeum]

I just don't know. But if you add it all up:

-Fake claiming
-Pushing town lynch D1
-Now puzzle shenanigans

The good part is that the puzzle thing should resolve itself, by either being declared IC or being our lynch.
Now, what happens if Chara isn't declared an IC after puzzle resolve? Sure, we say we lynch there but then you don't lynch the guilty.

[Purple Heart]

So, anybody have any thoughts on why nobody(but me, and Chara, who will hopefully be IC soon) has fought the idea of A50 scum? It makes me leery that scum are just accepting this if it's true. :-/

-Cerb

Baku posts are where?
Gamma I have no idea what the fuck he's doing
Venmar posts are where?

[Purple Heart]

And you can't argue that A50 isn't fighting it considering he's not posting because wall to cerby, which is fine regardless of alignment to be honest.

[Reasonably Rational]

Your response posts actually make no sense to me, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Do you agree that nobody is fighting against it, or disagreeing with that?

-Cerb

[Purple Heart]

I'm saying no one is fighting against it because the people who are okay with it are for the most part town and wolves aren't posting

[Reasonably Rational]

So, you think every member of the scum team(even prior to the guilty!) preferred to distance themselves from A50 by removing associatives, both positive and negative?

-Cerb

[Chara]

you have to admit, outing myself despite managing to accrue several townreads in order to protect my scumread partner Almost could be ridiculous enough to work. :>
Iconeum, you'll get the puzzle once Dunn is finished with it.

[baku and munna]

B&M, do you think A50 is scum?

If A50 is scum, and cast that artifact, what do you think happened at the end of the day?

-Cerb

he probably is tbh. I'm not convinced and i would not be surprised in the slightest if maid cafe is outright lying about their guilty.
What has changed from last night in your view of the hammer though?

Like does anyone disagree with my reasons or think Baku could be toen?

yes
still haven't justified why almost covers for me if we are both scum

So, anybody have any thoughts on why nobody(but me, and Chara, who will hopefully be IC soon) has fought the idea of A50 scum? It makes me leery that scum are just accepting this if it's true. :-/

-Cerb

probably the fact that only like 4 slots are active

[Dunnstral]

Probably the fact that A50 got guiltied 5 days ago and then completely clammed up, and the only reason this day is still going is for these puzzles

Mine is fairly difficult btw

[Chara]

hmm, good luck in that case. i guess that's confirmation to me they're getting harder.

[Almost50]

I got it bad
You don't know how bad I got it
You got it easy
You don't know when you've got it good
It's getting harder
Just keeping life and soul together
I'm sick of fighting
Even though I know I should
The cold is biting
Through each and every nerve and fibre
My broken spirit is frozen to the core
I don't want to be here no more
Wouldn't it be good to be in your shoes
Even if it was for just one day?
Wouldn't it be good if we could wish ourselves away?
Wouldn't it be good to be on your side?
The grass is always greener over there
Wouldn't it be good if we could live without a care?
You must be joking
You don't know a thing about it
You've got no problem
I'd stay right there if I were you
I got it harder
You couldn't dream how hard I got it
Stay out of my shoes
If you know what's good for you
The heat is stifling
Burning me up from the inside
The sweat is coming through each and every pore
I don't want to be here no more
I don't want to be here no more
I don't want to be here no more
Wouldn't it be good to be in your shoes
Even if it was for just one day?
Wouldn't it be good if we could wish ourselves away?
Wouldn't it be good to be on your side?
The grass is always greener over there
Wouldn't it be good if we could live without a care?

~Nik Kershaw

[Reasonably Rational]

So, if we assume A50 is scum, is there a universe where he claims that shit to "protect" town B&M? To 1) get town cred for protecting B&M if they end up lynched, and 2) tie B&M to them to get a mislynch if A50 ends up lynched himself?

-Cerb

[Maid Cafe]

They otherwise get lynched so I am not sure why the 2nd point holds.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I've basically decided(and decided since Chara first told me about this) that they're either a 3P

why did you decide they could be a 3P?

~B

[Reasonably Rational]

They otherwise get lynched so I am not sure why the 2nd point holds.

~B

So, the second point isn't the REASON to take that line, the first point is...it is, however, an ancillary benefit that could come about if the primary benefit, getting A50 townread, fails. I agree that it was likely something they could have already gained, but it's easy(for me, at least) to imagine that A50 expected B&M to be lynched, so the end result of the gambit would be a town read on A50 in spite of the scummy action he'd claimed.

I've basically decided(and decided since Chara first told me about this) that they're either a 3P

why did you decide they could be a 3P?

~B

Please don't do the thing where you take part of a post I made out of context. If you must highlight a single portion, I would appreciate if you quote the whole thing, and bold the part you want me to specifically address.

The rest of that post should make the answer to your question clear. I can't imagine any benefit to scum that would outweigh the loss of their slot, therefore they're not scum. That means the only options are for them to be town, and actually IC, or 3p, who will leave the game when they complete their goal.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

(Also, I sorta misused ancillary. Tertiary would have been a better word. )

-Cerb

[Nancy Drew 39]

They otherwise get lynched so I am not sure why the 2nd point holds.

~B

So, the second point isn't the REASON to take that line, the first point is...it is, however, an ancillary benefit that could come about if the primary benefit, getting A50 townread, fails. I agree that it was likely something they could have already gained, but it's easy(for me, at least) to imagine that A50 expected B&M to be lynched, so the end result of the gambit would be a town read on A50 in spite of the scummy action he'd claimed.

I've basically decided(and decided since Chara first told me about this) that they're either a 3P

why did you decide they could be a 3P?

~B

Please don't do the thing where you take part of a post I made out of context. If you must highlight a single portion, I would appreciate if you quote the whole thing, and bold the part you want me to specifically address.

The rest of that post should make the answer to your question clear. I can't imagine any benefit to scum that would outweigh the loss of their slot, therefore they're not scum. That means the only options are for them to be town, and actually IC, or 3p, who will leave the game when they complete their goal.

-Cerb

Isn’t survival to the end, usually a 3P role?

[Nancy Drew 39]

EBWOP

Wincon

[Gamma Emerald]

In hindsight it might've been wise to have Cerb ask about 3Ps actually if they're a significant threat in Varsoon games
I at least think if Chara is one it doesn't endgame all others like Cool Cucumbers' role in that other game

[Nancy Drew 39]

I thought he was referring to A50?

[Chara]

no, he's talking about me. it's a fair thought, my 3p self would look exactly like my town one for the most part.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Nancy: That's the most common neutral goal, but there are lots of possible third party goals, both anti and pro town.

Really, anything you equip a slot to do that doesn't require either the town or scum goals to be completed, could be a possibility.

-Cerb

@Gamma: Yeah, that was a question I had planned to ask, but the day ended abruptly and fucked me. To be fair though, Varsoon *has* been trying out third party roles that are pro-town/not lynch on sight, like the Crystal Gems in SU2, and both of the "scum" factions in Protomen.

[Reasonably Rational]

Probably the fact that A50 got guiltied 5 days ago and then completely clammed up, and the only reason this day is still going is for these puzzles

Mine is fairly difficult btw

So.

Is it too difficult to be resolved? Will you be able to solve it within the next few hours? Or what?

-Cerb