Open 710: MKUltra - Foreign Spies Win!

[skitter30]

lmao 2 V/LAs in LyLo

I'm going to be legit v/la tomorrow and saturday and not just semi-v/la like I was for most of the week cuz it's the last two days of passover and I"m going to be offline.

(I wasn't expecting this game to last this long or that I'd still be alive at this point)

Kinda wondering if I should just vote now cuz I'll actually be around for most of the day IRL instead of letting you guys argue it out while I'm not here? idk.

[GuyInFreezer]

@gif, did you sign up for this game *because* it's multiball?

No.
I was just desperate for a game and I ended up joining open cos it had the least lulz playerlist (or so I thought)

[Sky_Paladin]

I guess you probably should ALSO have asked for me to link some town games too eh ^__~

I don't really like *his* beef vote in 556 - it kinda feels like he hopped on the wagon to vote beef despite being too scummy to be scum. Like he's voting Beef for not making sense and not so much for being *scummy*. Like doing derp-things isn't necessarily a scumtell and I think sky knows that. Like is sheeping someone although you don't know their reasonining pro-town? Probably not. Is it scum-indicative? Probably not also.

I voted Beef because he sheeped a player without knowing why he was sheeping them or even who that person was.

You may recall that the person he sheeped was me, and the case I had made was against you.

If my case on you back then was good enough for Beefster to sheep, but not bad enough for me to attack Beefster for sheeping, what was it?

It occurs to me that your initial scum read on GiF was something very similiar to this - you voted Beefster for his pressure on GiF over RF; while you yourself were also pressuring GiF for the very same thing.

p-edit suddenly all the posts. I'll hit submit and read zzz

[GuyInFreezer]

GiF hasn't really weighed in

????

[skitter30]

eh, fuck it.

VOTE: sky

I get mislynched here pretty much always; I'm aware of that.

Like if town loses cuz I misvoted in LYLO or if they lose cuz I get mislynched in LYLO it's the same outcome.

I think I'd rather lose to scum!GIF than scum!sky.

p-edit: yeah I'm just going to do this cuz we're all here instead of dragging it out.

[GuyInFreezer]

Kinda wondering if I should just vote now cuz I'll actually be around for most of the day IRL instead of letting you guys argue it out while I'm not here? idk.

Only if you trust me that much.

I never lie.

[GuyInFreezer]

HI

[skitter30]

I mean, I just did.

[skitter30]

Cool, I get to say I told you so after you mislynch me.

[GuyInFreezer]

Fuck

I didn't want to be a hammer wielder

[Sky_Paladin]

Not weighed in-

I know you don't do walls

I mean to be fair both of us are vla so what can you do.

But I was kind of hoping you would be asking both of us questions and directly interacting. I know you posted stuff on the previous page and ugh I was going to do this in 12 hours and respond.

It can wait. 12 hours. I'll be here.

or

p-edit

well either Im right or that's gg.

ANd no hammer

ok.

[Sky_Paladin]

So GiF is town. Or a troll.

VOTE: Skitter

I'll wait a few minutes and see

but I neeed sleep.

[GuyInFreezer]

I didn't ask questions cos it was p set in my mind

But now that I haz hammer

massive flux of paranoia flooding in.

[Sky_Paladin]

Well now as they say, you have a captive audience.

It's 2 am and I have work. And there is no phase time limit so if you don't mind I'll call it here and you can tear up my posts/asks questions and I'll answer them all when I get up.

[GuyInFreezer]

Fuck now I actually gotta work on this

Begin by telling me in your own words why you are town.

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean I p gave up on this LyLo when 2 V/LAs in LyLo

[skitter30]

I gotta go IRL for a bit but I'll be back in an hour or so.

I'll be here till sometime this afternoon but then I'm offline till Saturday night and I'll be off of semi-v/la when I get home some point on Sunday, so just telling you what my activity is going to look like.

p-edit: yeah, sorry. Like I said, wasn't expecting this game to last this long or that I'd still be alive during passover when I'm kinda v/la.

[Sky_Paladin]

Why town;

Short 2 am version

Accountable for votes/advancing game state (had made cases against Skitter/Icon as early as day 2)
Content is not solely focused around a few players.
Not blue because came up with 'why it's Spring' in my own time after considering all other player slots and didn't hammer/bus for town cred.
Spent most of the game trying to get Skitter or Icon lynched :/ Late previous day had Icon as stronger town than Skitter.
Reads clear and traceable. A good example is when I was town-reading Alisae-slot until day 3 when her posts/voting activity put her in the red pool.
Able to explain reads especially town read on GiF (which was often questioned by Skitter and only Skitter iirc).
Made mistakes - helped mislynch Beefster, cased Icon. Skitter was never on a town-controlled lynch except when voting her buddy.


And now I go

[Sky_Paladin]

a

I will be here in 12 hours.

I will be here for 2-3 hours.

Then I will be away for 3 days.

Then back to the end of the game which is

we have no phase timer. huh.

[skitter30]

Town!me:

* I've been re-evaluating things. Case-in-point: today. I came in thinking I'd be voting GIF, but I took the time to reconsider and do the ISO thing and I saw that sky made a lot more sense. Like when I wasn't sure I'd try to understand the other person's POV. (ie with sky day 2). My posts weren't designed to push a narrative. You got exactly what I was thinking all game, even if it didn't necessarily make sense (I do admit that the week before finals (ie end of day 3 / early day 4) I wasn't awake enough to actually like think properly or follow things to their logical conclusions or like *explain* what I was thinking in a way that actually made sense though). If I thought I was misreading or misunderstanding something I'd try to understand where I was going wrong.

* I've had fairly decent reads this game and have been off of all the town lynches and on all the scum lynches. When I had a read I was actually confident on I didn't budge - like I knew my read on TD wasn't the sort I'm wrong on and was consistent about it. I dropped it when I couldn't get people to follow me but I always ended up circling back there. Same with not-blue-scum-Ico.

* Scum!me did a hilariously awful job at setting myself up for LYLO. ex: Ico wanted to vote sky and I kill him last night because .... ? Best you can argue is WIFOM but like seriously why do I take the two people who are scumreading me to LYLO the most instead of the guy who wants to vote sky? Like that would make my life a billion times easier, especially since I made it abundantly clear I was never voting for ico yesterday/today.

I do admit to not prioritizing this game cuz it's been a bit of a slog with a bunch of lolplayers and long spells of inactivity, and like when I have limited time to play I'd rather play a game that I'm having more fun in. Like out-arguing thor is a lot more interesting and fun than trying to decide if beef is dumb or scum if that makes sense.

[skitter30]

Made mistakes - helped mislynch Beefster, cased Icon.

Skitter was never on a town-controlled lynch except when voting her buddy.

This is hilarious btw cuz I've been on all the scum lynches and none of the town lynches.

Unless he means 'town-controlled lynch' to mean something else, idk.

[skitter30]

Scum!sky:

* His posts are designed to push a narrative and he admitted as much. Namely, his analysis for the nks and repeatedly misreading what I'm writing when I made myself as clear as I know how. (and like in open 711, which ended like a week before this game began, we played together and didn't have this problem; we even talked about how much we liked each other's posting to the point that we were each worried about the other being in a 'blindspot', like townreading someone because you like how they post and you think they make good sense but you aren't sure if they're actually being town-motivated).

Or using my read on ico as a reason to teamread with him when his understanding of my read on ico was wrong is kinda silly given that I corrected him on it like three times. I kinda feel like he wants to scumread me. Like he's been building towards scum!me since like mid-day2 and hasn't actually like re-evaluated at any point. (I can predict what he's going to say to that last sentence).

* He basically told spring to hammer alisae to save himself; was oddly concerned with votes on spring given that he didn't townread her; was holding off on hammering when he didn't townread her because .... ? Didn't actually vote spring.

* Ico scumread sky and spring and after the bluescum spring flip ico is dead. Like this LYLO fits scum!sky a lot more than scum!me.

[skitter30]

Idk, I think I've said everything I want to say and I'm content just letting you decide at this point.

If you want me to answer something specific lmk.

[GuyInFreezer]

Guess I'm waiting on Sky

[Sky_Paladin]

I'm back and writing now, da ze~!