Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[HeWhoSwims]

VC1.2

Mathdino (3) (L-4):

MariaR, Nauci, Wisdom

Nauci (3) (L-4):

brassherald, Thor665, jmo16mla

Espeonage (1) (L-6):

Beefster

brassherald (2) (L-5):

the worst, Mathdino

Thor665 (1) (L-6):

Judge Joseph Dredd

Not voting (2) :

Espeonage, UglyDuck

With 12 alive, 7 votes are needed to lynch.

[Mathdino]

@Mod: Is confirming in the scum PT good enough for confirmation?
What about picking up the PM but not responding to it?

[HeWhoSwims]

As pointed out in the sample role PMs I explicitly ask(ed) for confirmation via PM. This is why Dunnstral was replaced, as he had picked up the PM but confirmed too late.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

since scum don't have a roleblocker

They may have a strongman shot though

[Thor665]

If you're voting a slot you think is town - yeah, it's inherently and objectively bad unless you're scum.

We have many disagreements on a theory level

I could wagon brass if anyone's down for that

Feel free to describe the theory of voting town in RVS as particularly pro-town.
I'll wait.
Literally the best you can manage is a gawd awful gambit claim. (which you're clearly doing spit with, and you can gambit voting a scum read too)
Then I'll roll my eyes.
Then we can move on.

@theworst - why do you think Nauci is less likely scum and Brass is more likely?

[jmo16mla]

I mean there's at least one additional PR to the inno child anyway.

Only mechanical advice I got is BG optimal play is probably to protect IC. Not because the IC or this specific IC is necessarily the most valuable protection, but because we can take an IC death to then imply there's no Bodyguard (since scum don't have a roleblocker). Plus the only real benefit of BG dying is... self-confirming that there is in fact a BG.

I feel like you're getting enirely too involved in the setup...

[Mathdino]

As pointed out in the sample role PMs I explicitly ask(ed) for confirmation via PM. This is why Dunnstral was replaced, as he had picked up the PM but confirmed too late.

trying to think if this says anything about thor's alignment (dependent on mafia flips)

Feel free to describe the theory of voting town in RVS as particularly pro-town.
I'll wait.
Literally the best you can manage is a gawd awful gambit claim. (which you're clearly doing spit with, and you can gambit voting a scum read too)
Then I'll roll my eyes.
Then we can move on.

@theworst - why do you think Nauci is less likely scum and Brass is more likely?

sorry i kept you waiting
any vote has an opportunity cost of not someone else
i thought of chainsawvoting you for the nauci vote but an RVS thor wagon is generally useless even if you're scum
and vanity voting someone in RVS is similarly not that useful
my favourite RVS wagons by far are the lynchbaity players that draw attention to themselves with a weird playstyle/tone

basically i have little faith that this wagon was gonna lead to a lynch and the potential for readable reactions from nauci (who i don't KNOW is town, i just have a shitty 1 post read on) and from others was greater by joining that wagon

that said i like the brass wagon now better anyway

why did you ask the worst about it and not me?

I feel like you're getting enirely too involved in the setup...

explain

[UglyDuck]

I mean there's at least one additional PR to the inno child anyway.

Only mechanical advice I got is BG optimal play is probably to protect IC. Not because the IC or this specific IC is necessarily the most valuable protection, but because we can take an IC death to then imply there's no Bodyguard (since scum don't have a roleblocker). Plus the only real benefit of BG dying is... self-confirming that there is in fact a BG.

I feel like you're getting enirely too involved in the setup...

Is it not good to be involved in the set up? Don't think we want to discourage potential town from reading through and making solve attempts...

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

trying to think if this says anything about thor's alignment (dependent on mafia flips)

Actually I was trying to think if it meant anything about Wisdom's alignment, since he replaced Dunn who confirmed "too late".

[Mathdino]

ahhh good point

i mean dunnstral lurks out of games no matter his alignment

but does scumstral not realise that he's supposed to confirm?

or does scumstral assume that posting in the scum PT is enough?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I'm actually thinking it's a town slot, since decisions were probably made in his absence yet he did confirm in the end. If he was posting in the scum pt either his partners or the mod would have reminded him to send the confirmation pm, but that's all probably outguessing the mod. Same for the mod noting that the new roles will be send after the initial 72 hours "so as not give away alignments". Wisdom would have needed some time to discuss with his partners, bit the "not to give away alignments" suggests it wasn't necessary, so Wisdom probably isn't scum.

[Mathdino]

that would be a relief to not have to read wisdom lol

do you have a read on nauci btw?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

not yet. I am trying to prioritize my reads and nauci isn't exactly of top priority

[Wisdom]

VOTE: brass

[Thor665]

basically i have little faith that this wagon was gonna lead to a lynch and the potential for readable reactions from nauci (who i don't KNOW is town, i just have a SMurfy 1 post read on) and from others was greater by joining that wagon

Okay, sure, as long as you pull back from your town read to a "I still wanted to scumhunt them" read I'll agree your vote is fine, though that's different than your earlier stated thought.

that said i like the brass wagon now better anyway

You and I both know he is very capable of towning without derp pressure - so...?

why did you ask the worst about it and not me?

Because I know for a fact one of you likes to talk about how smart they are and needed less prodding to generate interesting conversation.
The other I wanted to make sure I could get a take on.

[MariaR]

thank jesus fuck I didn't get inno child. Conversation at hand seems meaningless at the moment so let's change it to something I consider meaningful
VOTE: Judge Joseph
This is scum.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

thank jesus fuck I didn't get inno child. Conversation at hand seems meaningless at the moment so let's change it to something I consider meaningful
VOTE: Judge Joseph
This is scum.

I thought we agreed we're not bussing!

VOTE: MariaR

[Mathdino]

Jjd choose between scumlynching brass and policy lynching Maria

Unfortunately can't do both

But yeah Maria reads are consistently < random

[MariaR]

thank jesus fuck I didn't get inno child. Conversation at hand seems meaningless at the moment so let's change it to something I consider meaningful
VOTE: Judge Joseph
This is scum.

I thought we agreed we're not bussing!

VOTE: MariaR

Sorry baby that yellow bus with the shampoo ad on the side just gets me in ways you'd never understand <3
Pedit: Can you stop Math

[Mathdino]

You literally started the game voting my only lock townread

I can't deal with you holding up lynches in even numbers

[MariaR]

I'm not holding up anything you're holding a petty ass grudge for no reason what so ever. I'm just gonna ignore your comments since you have the ego of someone who thinks they're a genius and yet the pettiness of a 13 year old girl. Go on and try it

Anyway Judge how confident are you in your wisdom tr or is it just a guess at this point

[MariaR]

VOTE: brass

Rvs or legit btw.

[the worst]

@theworst - why do you think Nauci is less likely scum and Brass is more likely?

I don't really feel your Nauci case, they present as subconsciously awkward more than subconsciously scummy based off opening posts. Brass feels somewhat more intentionally guarded tonally so better starting place imo.

Why do you think Nauci is more likely scum than brass here?

[Mathdino]

I'm not holding up anything you're holding a petty ass grudge for no reason what so ever. I'm just gonna ignore your comments since you have the ego of someone who thinks they're a genius and yet the pettiness of a 13 year old girl. Go on and try it

Where did you get the impression I was holding a grudge for anything

Cut the attitude pls thx

I said nothing insulting or personal to you

Feel free to explain how it's actually suboptimal fmpov to policy lynch you given your meta

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Jjd choose between scumlynching brass and policy lynching Maria

Gimme some time man. My attempt to hack into the mods inbox to spy on the role pms failed miserably so now I need to actually try to form reads.