Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[Oxy]

@ruru did you ever give reads based on your "favorite role" survey from D1?

[ofrhz]

I was thinking that the Drixx lynch couldn't have been 100% town motivated.

[Oxy]

Here are my latest notes on ruru. Do I have anything of value?

Spoiler:

51 "Considering that it is three and not two" townie
also the next bit is townie

62 I found this townie earlier, but it could be nai
230 final line - hard to read because miscommunication, but I'm leaning town on it
236 townie af. ruru had been sitting dormant in the thread, she didn't have to jump up and try and get drixx to answer, she could have instead just let him not answer and use that as an excuse not to continue her exercise, but she didn't.
pretty sure it's townie
337 last line. consider the motivation of the post in light of her actions in terms of votes, etc. What is the scum motivation to bring this up
434 i can't see why scum!ruru would make this post, either.
587 more town. this slot is so town
727 second to last paragraph comes solely from a town motivation.

[Oxy]

These notes are not to say that I didn't see her vote at end of day, or other points that you have brought up previously, just trying to avoid walls

[Oxy]

For our consideration:

ruru and you are apparently obvtown to my townread.

i agree on ruru

, somewhat less agree on you.

- my read on oxy: please point out to me why it's bad if it's bad

- same thing with read on ruru i guess

what are these reads?

hardtown on both

Oxy, if scum, can only really be scum with ofhrz. (unless the entire Oxy/skitter debacle was faked, which is ludicrous)

skitter30, if scum, can only be scum with Scioness, Drixx, and ofhrz.

Drixx, if scum, can only be scum with ruru, pintu, Scioness and skitter30.

Scioness, if scum, can only be scum with Drixx, NSG, ofhrz, pintu, and skitter30.

pintu, if scum, can only be scum with Drixx, Scioness, NSG, ofhrz.

current scumteams I'm willing to consider:
skitter30/Scioness
skitter30/Drixx
skitter30/ofhrz
Drixx/ruru
Drixx/pintu
Drixx/Scioness
Scioness/NSG
Scioness/ofhrz
Scioness/pintu
NSG/ofhrz
NSG/pintu
ofhrz/pintu
ofhrz/ruru (bussing still possible)

Drixx flips scum, lynch
Scioness --> ruru --> pintu
and win.

Drixx flips town, probably lynch
Scioness --> ofhrz --> ruru (on Sci townflip) --> whoever of NSG/skitter30 is still alive (on Sci scumflip)

Just saying, if Mathdino was correct in his analysis, Ruru would literally only be scum with you, Ofrhz.

I, for one, would cut off the ofrhz/pintu pair because i just can't see two scum deciding to start and then hop on the ruru wagon at end of day like that.

[Oxy]

so much for no more walls

[ofrhz]

I found most of those nai. 236 - At one point, I was asking ruru why she hadn't given her reads based our answers, and she said she was waiting for everyone else to answer first, so I would say this is nai. 587 is okay, but I actually found 727 pretty scummy. She votes for NSG, her third vote on a lurker (why would she do this after her first two attempts to vote lurkers to get them to be more active failed?), and then goes on to say skitter is suspect.

I'm townreading pin (with less confidence than my read on you and skitter), so I think it's likely that there is two scum in ruru/Scioness/NSG.

p-edit: yeah I was looking earlier this morning for why Math was hard townreading ruru. He never said why, so I am at a loss

[ruru]

from my POV, I'm town, Math is town, skitter and Oxy are very likely town, so Scioness is the only one that could be scum. I'm kind of on the fence about Scioness, she was okay up until her "We must lynch skitter today" thought process which made no sense.

I would think town!SS would have preferred a no-lynch in general. She's saying Oxy and I are quite scummy and there's 834. So, if the first Drixx wagon was comprised of scum!Oxy and/or scum!ruru then why would she call Drixx a low info flip in 935? And then hammer him anyway despite not scumreading him. It doesn't add up to me.

My reasons for voting are the same as yesterday, and I'm pretty sure I explained them yesterday, but basically you're not genuinely scumhunting. For example, you say things like "I think odds are at least one scum was on the wagon," which is a statement that anyone could make by doing a math calculation and requires very little analysis of the game and the people in it.

But yesterday you scumread me for scumhunting.

[Oxy]

@ruru did you ever give reads based on your "favorite role" survey from D1?

Leaving everything else I have posted aside, I really want an answer to this.

[ofrhz]

I was scumreading you for fake scumhunting. You were trying too hard to scumread skitter, which is what scum has to do, since scum already knows who scum is, so scum has to fabricate stuff to make town look like scum.

[ruru]

@ruru did you ever give reads based on your "favorite role" survey from D1?

It's one of the reasons I think ofrhz is town. I didn't get anything from the other responses.

[ruru]

I was scumreading you for fake scumhunting. You were trying too hard to scumread skitter, which is what scum has to do, since scum already knows who scum is, so scum has to fabricate stuff to make town look like scum.

What do you think about Oxy's case on SS during the first week?

[ofrhz]

I thought Scioness was giving Oxy a hard time for no reason, but that might have been a language thing. So I could see why Oxy was scumreading Scioness, but didn't agree with his reasoning. I need to reread it, but I don't think my interpretation of the situation would change all that much.

[ruru]

Personally I feel like Oxy was trying hard to find reasons why SS was scum, because she seemed scummy to him. I don't think that's scummy. I didn't agree with the reasons, but I'm not scumreading him because of it.

Also, I was originally asking about the last minute wagon. The first time you voted me for trying too hard to scumread skitter, you later unvoted and said you weren't scumreading me anymore. Then you voted me again later. Why?

[Oxy]

Mathdino, btw, was clearly scumreading Sajj. He promoted her as the d2 lynch regardless of what alignment drixx flipped.

[ofrhz]

I didn't say I wasn't scumreading you anymore when I unvoted??? I just didn't think anyone else was paying attention to you, and there wasn't that much time left in the day. The votecount was scattered, I didn't think I was going to convince anyone to vote for you (which is why I was later so frustrated with scioness for waiting so long to vote for you, like wtf. I'm not sure if this is AI). if you are scum, Drixx and NSG were both viable scum partners (at the time).

I would have preferred to lynch you as I indicated later, but I wouldn't have done it without a claim.

ruru, what are your reads?

oxy- who do you think could be a team with scioness?

[ofrhz]

Nah from Oxy's POV, Scioness was misinterpreting words all over the place to the point of being unhelpful and def a bit scummy. I've been townreading him from pretty much the start of this game

[Oxy]

I would need to go back and reread scioness' iso again to really answer that question, Off the top of my head, I can't immediately rule anyone. Math ruled out ruru, and I'm hard pressed to understand why right this second, but I remember thinking I understood it the other day.

[ruru]

Also I don't remember why I was townleaning ruru earlier. I think she's now trying too hard to scumread skitter, a la 632 and 626.

VOTE: ruru

Chag Sameach and happy Easter to all celebrating!

UNVOTE:

btw I'm not hard townreading ruru. I'm just not scum leaning her anymore

VOTE: ruru

[ruru]

{Oxy}
{ofrhz}
{pin, NSG}
{skitter, SS}
{}

At least that's what they are until you and/or SS clear some things up. SS has been ignoring me so...

[Oxy]

I think it's pretty likely that mathdino was right about at least one in nsg/skitter being town, and I think there is a >50% chance on him being right on both. I'm basing this on how he described the strength of his reads and on what I know about how he thinks about read strength from his article on being town.

[Oxy]

Personally, I am more strongly reading nsg than skitter based, in part, on the above.

[ofrhz]

I thought Sajj's case on you (ruru) was kinda weak. I don't really know how to explain it, but even though Scioness and I both thought you were scummy, her weak case against you made you seem more town in comparison. Does that even make sense? So after your post 850, I was very confused, and had you as null for a little bit.

What definitely changed my mind was skitter's 1033. Her analysis of the game made a lot of sense to me when she said "Hey, notice how ruru's been scumreading me for like two weeks but took her sweet time to vote me when a wagon actually popped up?"

[ofrhz]

I linked the wrong post. I meant 978. Her 1033 was what made me more sure of ruru

[ofrhz]

I guess aside from Mathdino's read on NSG, I don't really see anything that indicates NSG is town.